SSRIs

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>>hope you’re doing okay too hon, glad you got the lithium sorted out >im up to 50mg lamictal now, he says thats a basic therapeutic dose so we >shall see what happens… > I’m sooooo curious..

so far so good …. no side effects….. no dramatic effect on the bipolar either, but that i think will take some time… >im only hoping it was my ssri’s and not the >lamictal that caused me to go manic this morning, im pretty convinced it >was… > Well, I hope so too..

it hasnt happened again… i think it was a manic episode thats been building up, aggravated by taking 3 ssris on an empty stomach and then getting low blood sugar from not eating (which always makes me manic)… > BTW: do you also take benzo’s to sleep? I just did, that’s why i think of > it.. > I really enyoy this posting late at night, but I think I’d better go to bed > earlier. > Stupid thing is that I was tired all evening, but around midnight, when i > wanted to go to sleep, I finally felt energy..and I enyoy that…

yeah.. i know the feeling… i stay up too late because i feel like shit during the day but feel great after midnight, and of course that winds up the BP more and more…. i take benzos very rarely for sleep – mainly cos it could easily get habit forming – but if i’ve had a really bad nightmare that leaves me having panic attack as i wake, i take one.. or sometimes if i just cant sleep and im desperate and tense.. (but usually i just turn on the laptop computer and write … > Knuffel

en een dikke knuffel terug! m~ — free the cheese!!!

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"ME" wrote > Hi hi hi, > Yeah. Good to be back, good to *see* all of you. > After a few no-connection-days, I went to my boyriend, stayed there for a > week, and now I’m back home (and I took my boyfriend with me).

Kewl Say hello from me > Well, last months was a bit down, but I’m getting better and better and took > my studybooks again today.. Didn’t do much, but I’m very very happy that I > care about studying, that I try…

Aww hon that’s so great – I am so happy for you > I probably had some problems lately because my lithiumlevel was to high, but > from now on things can only get better!!!

Yeah ) > By the way: i love ansewering questions (especially because i do not have > much to say today, so answering is easier..) > How are you doing now?? (i read you were doing not so well)

Yeah… welll…. I had a ugly mixed episode and then a crash – sorta recovering from that now. At the moment I’m really tired and slow because I have a fever and a nasty cold.  But I guess I’m okay And the sun’s out Warm huggles, TK

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> hey its really nice to hear things are still going so well with you and > your boyfriend … not such good news from my side, we split up 4-5 > months ago, oh well, still good friends tho

Ohhh… I’m so sorry to hear that..(((((((((((((((((((((((((m))))))))))))))))))))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > m – liberating cheese while waiting for my life’s work to copy itself > across the network to the desktop machine…. arggh…. i love this > computing stuff really…. (sometimes?)….. >>yeah lovely to see you back >>m~ > Thanks!!! ((((((((((((((((((((((m))))))))))))))))))))) >>>{{{{ Marie-Elise }}}}} >>>Hey it’s great to see you again!!! – so good your connection is okay now > >>>Where have you been? Did you stay with your boyfriend? >>>Any news? Wow are you? >>>Lots of questions? Do you mind? >>>Hugggggggs, >>>TK >>– >>free the cheese!!! > — > free the cheese!

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>>hey its really nice to hear things are still going so well with you and >your boyfriend … not such good news from my side, we split up 4-5 >months ago, oh well, still good friends tho > Ohhh… I’m so sorry to hear > that..(((((((((((((((((((((((((m)))))))))))))))))))))))))

thanks hon… its okay now… it was pretty devastating at the time tho,   was a major part of why i had that huge depressive breakdown… but im okay now…. well, too okay, still quite high, but not buzzing like earlier! got the network going too… yay! hope you’re doing okay too hon, glad you got the lithium sorted out im up to 50mg lamictal now, he says thats a basic therapeutic dose so we shall see what happens… im only hoping it was my ssri’s and not the lamictal that caused me to go manic this morning, im pretty convinced it was… well ive been heading for a manic phase for a while, my pdoc commented on it and suggested i cut out one of my ssri tablets if i get too high… huggles m~ — free the cheese!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>hey its really nice to hear things are still going so well with you and >>your boyfriend … not such good news from my side, we split up 4-5 >>months ago, oh well, still good friends tho > Ohhh… I’m so sorry to hear > that..(((((((((((((((((((((((((m))))))))))))))))))))))))) > thanks hon… its okay now… it was pretty devastating at the time tho, >   was a major part of why i had that huge depressive breakdown… but im > okay now…. well, too okay, still quite high, but not buzzing like > earlier! got the network going too… yay! > hope you’re doing okay too hon, glad you got the lithium sorted out > im up to 50mg lamictal now, he says thats a basic therapeutic dose so we > shall see what happens…

I’m sooooo curious.. >im only hoping it was my ssri’s and not the >lamictal that caused me to go manic this morning, im pretty convinced it >was…

Well, I hope so too.. >well ive been heading for a manic phase for a while, my pdoc >commented on it and suggested i cut out one of my ssri tablets if i get > too high…

BTW: do you also take benzo’s to sleep? I just did, that’s why i think of it.. I really enyoy this posting late at night, but I think I’d better go to bed earlier. Stupid thing is that I was tired all evening, but around midnight, when i wanted to go to sleep, I finally felt energy..and I enyoy that… Knuffel – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> huggles > m~ > — > free the cheese!

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{{{{ Marie-Elise }}}}} Hey it’s great to see you again!!! – so good your connection is okay now Where have you been? Did you stay with your boyfriend? Any news? Wow are you? Lots of questions? Do you mind? Hugggggggs, TK

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yeah lovely to see you back m~ > {{{{ Marie-Elise }}}}} > Hey it’s great to see you again!!! – so good your connection is okay now > Where have you been? Did you stay with your boyfriend? > Any news? Wow are you? > Lots of questions? Do you mind? > Hugggggggs, > TK

– free the cheese!!!

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Hi hi hi, Yeah. Good to be back, good to *see* all of you. After a few no-connection-days, I went to my boyriend, stayed there for a week, and now I’m back home (and I took my boyfriend with me).. Well, last months was a bit down, but I’m getting better and better and took my studybooks again today.. Didn’t do much, but I’m very very happy that I care about studying, that I try… I probably had some problems lately because my lithiumlevel was to high, but from now on things can only get better!!! By the way: i love ansewering questions (especially because i do not have much to say today, so answering is easier..) How are you doing now?? (i read you were doing not so well) (((((((((((((((((((((((TK)))))))))))))))))))))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> {{{{ Marie-Elise }}}}} > Hey it’s great to see you again!!! – so good your connection is okay now > Where have you been? Did you stay with your boyfriend? > Any news? Wow are you? > Lots of questions? Do you mind? > Hugggggggs, > TK

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> yeah lovely to see you back > m~

Thanks!!! ((((((((((((((((((((((m))))))))))))))))))))) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> {{{{ Marie-Elise }}}}} > Hey it’s great to see you again!!! – so good your connection is okay now > Where have you been? Did you stay with your boyfriend? > Any news? Wow are you? > Lots of questions? Do you mind? > Hugggggggs, > TK > — > free the cheese!!!

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hey its really nice to hear things are still going so well with you and your boyfriend … not such good news from my side, we split up 4-5 months ago, oh well, still good friends tho m – liberating cheese while waiting for my life’s work to copy itself across the network to the desktop machine…. arggh…. i love this computing stuff really…. (sometimes?)….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->yeah lovely to see you back >m~ > Thanks!!! ((((((((((((((((((((((m))))))))))))))))))))) >>{{{{ Marie-Elise }}}}} >>Hey it’s great to see you again!!! – so good your connection is okay now > >>Where have you been? Did you stay with your boyfriend? >>Any news? Wow are you? >>Lots of questions? Do you mind? >>Hugggggggs, >>TK >– >free the cheese!!!

– free the cheese!

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I read up on this.   Most likely nothing bad will happen, since your already tappering your SSRI, you won’t have enough drug in your system to interact dangerously.  I’ve seen a study where they combine a SSRI with 5-HTP(tryptophan) and nothing bad was reported.  Same study with st. johns wort and Kava.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was taking 40mg of celexa per day and I have weaned myself down to > 20mg. I have felt better, personally, I think 60mg would be a better > dose. > Anyway, in an attempt to "go natural"  and avoid the side effects of > SSRIS, > I have obtained some 500mg tryptophan tablets. Only 50. > Anyway, can I add tryptophan while reducing Celexa or will I die a > horrible death ? LOL > What tryptophan dosage would most resemble 40mg of celexa ? > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Dear Never Mind, > I think everyone’s experience can be very different. > I withdrew from celexa, slowly in two week increments. > 20mg / 10mg / 5mgs  by cutting the tablets into halves > than quarters.  But your question about tryptophan > I can answer, I suggest you contact your doctor or > pharmacist. > Take care of yourself, > Julie > I was taking 40mg of celexa per day and I have weaned myself down to > 20mg. I have felt better, personally, I think 60mg would be a better > dose. > Anyway, in an attempt to "go natural"  and avoid the side effects of > SSRIS, > I have obtained some 500mg tryptophan tablets. Only 50. > Anyway, can I add tryptophan while reducing Celexa or will I die a > horrible death ? LOL > What tryptophan dosage would most resemble 40mg of celexa ? > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks

My Dr wouldnt know ANYTHING about tryptophan.

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I was taking 40mg of celexa per day and I have weaned myself down to 20mg. I have felt better, personally, I think 60mg would be a better dose. Anyway, in an attempt to "go natural"  and avoid the side effects of SSRIS, I have obtained some 500mg tryptophan tablets. Only 50. Anyway, can I add tryptophan while reducing Celexa or will I die a horrible death ? LOL What tryptophan dosage would most resemble 40mg of celexa ? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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Does anyone have any comments or is this board just a wasteland of spam ?

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Dear Never Mind, I think everyone’s experience can be very different. I withdrew from celexa, slowly in two week increments. 20mg / 10mg / 5mgs  by cutting the tablets into halves than quarters.  But your question about tryptophan I can answer, I suggest you contact your doctor or pharmacist. Take care of yourself, Julie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I was taking 40mg of celexa per day and I have weaned myself down to > 20mg. I have felt better, personally, I think 60mg would be a better > dose. > Anyway, in an attempt to "go natural"  and avoid the side effects of > SSRIS, > I have obtained some 500mg tryptophan tablets. Only 50. > Anyway, can I add tryptophan while reducing Celexa or will I die a > horrible death ? LOL > What tryptophan dosage would most resemble 40mg of celexa ? > Any help would be appreciated. > Thanks

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I have a hypomanic reaction to SSRIs. Is there anything out there that doesn’t lead to hypomania in those of us that are prone toward it? Louise

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> I have a hypomanic reaction to SSRIs. > Is there anything out there that doesn’t lead to hypomania in those of > us that are prone toward it? > Louise

I have the same problem with SSRI and tried Serzone (no hypomanic reaction but made me sleep all the time) and Manerix (moclobemide), a good antidepressant with very little side effects that is not available in the US. alias.p

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> I have a hypomanic reaction to SSRIs. > Is there anything out there that doesn’t lead to hypomania in those of > us that are prone toward it? > Louise

I understand that the new direction of anti-depressants, after patents expire soon such as on prozac, will actually be a backwards direction, towards tricyclics. You might explore those, and also consider that wellburtin (is supposed to) effects dopamine rather than seratonin. I believe wellbutrin is more commonly prescribed to patients who might experience (hypo)mania. You also need to discuss these things with your doctor.

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That’s odd since Wellbutrin is definitely one of the speediest of current ADs, often causing insomnia in fact.

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> That’s odd since Wellbutrin is definitely one of the speediest of current ADs, > often causing insomnia in fact.

What’s even more odd, is that neurontin is used as a mood stabilizer, yet causes almost immediate hypomania. They might use it as an anti depressant now, I’m not sure.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have a hypomanic reaction to SSRIs. > Is there anything out there that doesn’t lead to hypomania in those of > us that are prone toward it? > Louise > I understand that the new direction of anti-depressants, after patents > expire soon such as on prozac, will actually be a backwards direction, > towards tricyclics. You might explore those, and also consider that > wellburtin (is supposed to) effects dopamine rather than seratonin. I > believe wellbutrin is more commonly prescribed to patients who might > experience (hypo)mania. > You also need to discuss these things with your doctor.

I took Wellbutrin a while ago and was so-o-o-o irritable I couldn’t stand myself! Louise

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hi Carol… a lot of what you are mentioning is mentioned in the book "Prozac Backlash". I picked up a copy of it and read it. The author describes the pharmacology of the meds and exactly how they impact the neurotransmitters in our brains. Here is a link to the book from amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743200624/qid=1018763310/sr=8… sr_8_3_1/104-2453826-0711126 After about 10 years on SSRIs, I also – can’t find the right words at times – will lose my train of thought mid-sentence. It’s like my brain just shuts off. – my reading comprehension is poor; I have to re-read things numerous times to fully comprehend them – my memory/retention is extremely poor, both short term and long term However, SSRIs and my other meds keep me balanced enough to be a "work in progress". Without them I am just a depressed, dull grey canvas. Thanks for sharing, Carol. You express yourself extremely well. — regards, Compucat  >^+^<

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For me, it isn’t a question.  I am my mid-20’s and am pretty positive > that I’ve experienced subtle brain damage after taking SSRI’s for 3 > years and quitting them over a year ago.  Just curious, anyone notice > the following "bad brain" effects after quitting medication: > 1.) Decreased vividness and memory of dreams (or no dreams at all.) > yes.  I rarely dream anymore. > 2.) Trouble finding words > yes. I notice when talking to people that I frequently grope for words > and have trouble quickly coming up with something to say.  My mind has > completely lost its agility and quickness, though I find writing to be > somewhat easier.  When people are speaking to me, or joking around, I > have trouble keeping up. (This wasn’t the case prior to the meds) > 3.) Trouble with fine-motor coordination > yes.  My handwriting has taken on a shaky look, and I have more > trouble with needlepoint and guitar. > 4.) Decreased imagination > yes.  I feel permanently trapped in the mundanity of the present.  My > world has taken on an increasingly flat appearance (I’ve considered > aging to be a possible cause, but I’m only 26, and I notice these > difficulties run almost directly parallel to the timing of the > medication.)  I’ve been off meds for over a year and notice almost > zero improvement in my word-retention and ability to ‘imagine’ things > (I wish I could explain this better…It just feels as though my > thoughts have to push through caramel in order to get through!) > 5.) Decreased memory > yes. both short and long-term > 6.) Deadened emotions > yes.  I feel as though the pleasure center in my brain is partially > gone, although  I can still enjoy food and drink. > That’s just a few of the effects I’ve noticed.  Some are more subtle > than others.  Anyone else experience this? > Note: This is not to discourage the use of medication.  I would not be > alive today if it weren’t for the need for an SSRI to intervene as I > was in a major crisis in school and was seriously considering suicide. > The mistake I made was continuing with the medication long after > things stabilized. > Although not exactly brain dead (though I experience moments in > darkness wondering how I will ever form a meaningful friendship in > the limited shell of consciousness that I’m in) I am definitely NOT > the same person that I used to be prior to the medication.  I feel > like a zombie emotionally.  I cannot remember things nearly as well I > used to, and frequently call off gatherings with family and friends > because I cannot fake this emotion for long.  I have also become very > inarticulate (as my prose here doesn’t exactly show–or perhaps it > does?)  My most significant problem is the inability to utter a > complete sentence without stumbling at least once.  DO NOT tell me > this is just anxiety or depression—I NEVER had this problem before. > It feels too real and bizarre to be a product of my imagination. > I feel dreadfully inarticulate.  I would do anything to get my mental > powers back. > It amazes me that even my own doctor scoffs at the possibility that > the meds caused permanent damage, though I guess I shouldn’t be > surprised since he’s being paid a handsome sum to prescribe.  Perhaps > I should consult a neurologist instead? > That’s enough for now.  (The meds I took were Zoloft and Paxil.) > Or maybe it isn’t the meds (as my psychiatrist stated?)  Could I have > the gene for early Alzheimers? > Somehow I doubt it.  This decline has *only* been within the last 2 > years and seems to mirror (coincidentally) the timing of my usage of > SSRIs. > Thanks for reading this.  Any feedback would be appreciated. > Carol

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> 1.) Decreased vividness and memory of dreams (or no dreams at all.)

no… quite the opposite.. i have recurrent nightmares all the time…possibly this is a side effect of my mood stabiliser i’ve just started on as well (sodium valproate… anyone heard of that effect before?) > 2.) Trouble finding words

yes, definately – although this for me is also a symtom of my depression and mania… i also have become a bit dyslexic/dyspraxic…. > 3.) Trouble with fine-motor coordination

no… this was one of my biggest concerns as i’m a professional musician and graphic artist… my spelling / coordination for typing are shocking at the moment thoug… > 4.) Decreased imagination

no… again, see above… although i do have difficulty with concentration… particularly on high doses… i wonder if it depends on the medications? i’m on Sertraline (zoloft)… i wonder if Prozac tends more towards these side fx…? > 5.) Decreased memory

definately, especially on high doses. again its part of my depression/mania too, so its confusing to isolate. > 6.) Deadened emotions

strangely im the opposite. only when i’ve been really depressed and needed to go on a high dose (like now) have i felt deadening of emotions… and i’ve only stayed on high doses briefly. but i have totally lost the taste for food…. hth. take care m — ~~~~~>><:>~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged thats when you see sparks you ask me where the hell i’m going at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead – the tourist

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > informed me of this: > < My most significant problem is the inability to utter a > <complete sentence without stumbling at least once. > I have this problem when I become manic. It could be possible that > these symptoms you see now are things that would have come to be with > or without an AD. You need to talk to a pdoc about it, tho he is > likely to be bias. The deadening of emotion is not a normal affect of > ADs, but people have some strange side effects and you are not the > first here to think that they have had permanent changes in brain > function caused by meds and the increase in tremors in the fingers and > hands is pretty common thing to see increase. See the doctor. > xp

actually i get this when im manic as well, along with poor concentration… i also get problems with concentration with depression… so the SSRIs have actually helped there, in a way… more later… m — ~~~~~>><:>~~~~~ iriXx "sometimes i get overcharged thats when you see sparks you ask me where the hell i’m going at a thousand feet per second…" radiohead – the tourist

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For me, it isn’t a question.  I am my mid-20’s and am pretty positive that I’ve experienced subtle brain damage after taking SSRI’s for 3 years and quitting them over a year ago.  Just curious, anyone notice the following "bad brain" effects after quitting medication: 1.) Decreased vividness and memory of dreams (or no dreams at all.) yes.  I rarely dream anymore. 2.) Trouble finding words yes. I notice when talking to people that I frequently grope for words and have trouble quickly coming up with something to say.  My mind has completely lost its agility and quickness, though I find writing to be somewhat easier.  When people are speaking to me, or joking around, I have trouble keeping up. (This wasn’t the case prior to the meds) 3.) Trouble with fine-motor coordination yes.  My handwriting has taken on a shaky look, and I have more trouble with needlepoint and guitar. 4.) Decreased imagination yes.  I feel permanently trapped in the mundanity of the present.  My world has taken on an increasingly flat appearance (I’ve considered aging to be a possible cause, but I’m only 26, and I notice these difficulties run almost directly parallel to the timing of the medication.)  I’ve been off meds for over a year and notice almost zero improvement in my word-retention and ability to ‘imagine’ things (I wish I could explain this better…It just feels as though my thoughts have to push through caramel in order to get through!) 5.) Decreased memory yes. both short and long-term 6.) Deadened emotions yes.  I feel as though the pleasure center in my brain is partially gone, although  I can still enjoy food and drink. That’s just a few of the effects I’ve noticed.  Some are more subtle than others.  Anyone else experience this? Note: This is not to discourage the use of medication.  I would not be alive today if it weren’t for the need for an SSRI to intervene as I was in a major crisis in school and was seriously considering suicide. The mistake I made was continuing with the medication long after things stabilized. Although not exactly brain dead (though I experience moments in darkness wondering how I will ever form a meaningful friendship in the limited shell of consciousness that I’m in) I am definitely NOT the same person that I used to be prior to the medication.  I feel like a zombie emotionally.  I cannot remember things nearly as well I used to, and frequently call off gatherings with family and friends because I cannot fake this emotion for long.  I have also become very inarticulate (as my prose here doesn’t exactly show–or perhaps it does?)  My most significant problem is the inability to utter a complete sentence without stumbling at least once.  DO NOT tell me this is just anxiety or depression—I NEVER had this problem before. It feels too real and bizarre to be a product of my imagination. I feel dreadfully inarticulate.  I would do anything to get my mental powers back.   It amazes me that even my own doctor scoffs at the possibility that the meds caused permanent damage, though I guess I shouldn’t be surprised since he’s being paid a handsome sum to prescribe.  Perhaps I should consult a neurologist instead? That’s enough for now.  (The meds I took were Zoloft and Paxil.)   Or maybe it isn’t the meds (as my psychiatrist stated?)  Could I have the gene for early Alzheimers? Somehow I doubt it.  This decline has *only* been within the last 2 years and seems to mirror (coincidentally) the timing of my usage of SSRIs. Thanks for reading this.  Any feedback would be appreciated. Carol

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>However the bad thing is that the cogentin is extremely sedating >and makes me get out of breath faster,

So much for wanking it at porn sites.

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>Who has heard of adding anti-cholinergics like Cogentin to their SSRIs to get >them to activate decently again?

You’re the usenut Pdoc – tell us!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ive been taking the anti-parkinsons/EPS drug Cogentin for the past week. I find > its quite sedating. It has gotten rid of all tight muscle related problems Ive > been having. I didnt like it until today. Today I realized suddenly, > unexpectely I began getting that old familiar "SSRI activation" real strongly. > Like when my SSRIs used to activate good. Took me by total surprise. Starting > to get nausea too, like when SSRIs used to activate good for me and give me > nausea, akathisia, dizziness, anxiety, etc. the first two weeks. > Who has heard of adding anti-cholinergics like Cogentin to their SSRIs to get > them to activate decently again? I cant believe this, this has totally take me > by surprised. However the bad thing is that the cogentin is extremely sedating > and makes me get out of breath faster, even though I feel relaxed.

It’s a double miracle!! First the dreaded anti-cholinergics make Eric feel better, then he recovers enough from his depression that he does not need ECT. Praise the lord, you better tithe 20% of whatever salary this miracle the lord has wrought enables you to make, Eric.  How about that, huh the lord surely do act in strange and mysterious ways, huh?

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>First the dreaded anti-cholinergics make Eric feel better, then he recovers >enough from his depression that he does not need ECT.

Gee – I see you were as surprised as myself. Cogentin is the answer!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Thanks Peter, I actually dont have that many side effects  with the ACE. Its > kind of hard to describe, its  just that the ACE interferes with the Luvox. I > seriously doubt Id have any better luck with another blood pressure pill. Its a > hard to explain problem. I think what I am going to have to do is add some low > dose atypial anti-psychotic to get the SSRI fully activated, then perhaps throw > in an anticonvulsant on top of it all to help get rid of the "numbess."

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YEAAAAAAAAA!! i am rejoicing with you!! cal

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>Zoloft. Stopped taking the Cogentin cause it was revving my BP up, guess it was >those anti-cholinergic side effects.

BP no doubt meaning Bipolar after the manic posting of wav files. Is the shock jock still on? Why waste 3 years talking about it – you could have had relief 3 years ago! Attention seeker?

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i heard this on a movie one time.  does this really help some people, or is it bullshit?  i had side effects which included severe panic attacks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i heard this on a movie one time.  does this really help some people, or is >it >bullshit?  i had side effects which included severe panic attacks. >If youre having panic attacks from meds your Pdoc needs to know that. One >thing >you should know in case you are taking SSRIs by any chance is that SSRIs can >worsen anxiety in panic prone individuals during the first couple weeks. Then >the anti-panic effect of the SSRIs kicks in usually and you start feeling >relaxed. >Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin. >Eric >Basic course in logic 101: >Psychiatry is bullshit…psychiatrists are full of shit

Eric no offense pal, but are you really that nice, or really that stupid? Either way, I pray for you my friend.  But honestly, no offense, did those ECT procedures work for the best?  I believe that post, made by MaryPoppedCherry (which is a hint right there) was just a JOKE.  Common sense will take you a long way, but hell, maybe I should try those ECT’s, maybe just shocking the common sense out of me would be a better way of living.  I guess i’d rather be dumb and happy than to be living in this stresszone.

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>ome people are labeled NICE because their STUPID

some people are labeled nice because THEIR stupid?  Umm try THEY’RE! practice what you preech! LMFAO Jason

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ome people are labeled NICE because their STUPID >some people are labeled nice because THEIR stupid?  Umm try THEY’RE! >practice what you preech! >LMFAO >Jason

sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my posts are very articulate.   there, they’re out now!  oops, i just found a problem Jason, my dictionary says that there isn’t a definition for PREECH. Also, learn how to highlight text why don’t ya! ps:  practice what you PREACH

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> sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my > usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my > posts are very articulate.   > there, they’re out now!  oops, i just found a problem Jason, my dictionary says > that there isn’t a definition for PREECH. > Also, learn how to highlight text why don’t ya! > ps:  practice what you PREACH

Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao! — Amelia

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>Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin.

Bullshit, drug pusher, prove it.

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>maybe I should try those ECT’s, maybe just shocking the >common sense out of me would be a better way of living.

No, it popular in NC though.

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>Eric no offense pal, but are you really that nice, or really that stupid?

Stupid

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>Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao!

Mind reader?

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>If youre having panic attacks from meds your Pdoc needs to know that.

A sign meds are fucked up.

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>sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my >usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my >posts are very articulate.  

Eric?

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>Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin.

Squiggles?

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>SSRIs by any chance is that SSRIs can >worsen anxiety in panic prone individuals during the first couple weeks.

They can worsen panic PERIOD.

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> >Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao! > Mind reader?

Yea. Why do you ask? — Amelia

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> >> Mind reader? >Yea. >Why do you ask? > If you are a mind reader, why are you asking? LOL

I slipped. Back on track now though. Damn. — Amelia

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> I think the poster whose been posting how smart people buy drug > company stock, and dumb people buy drug company products, summarized > the reality of the situation.

– Smart perhaps, but it would really sour my husband;s moral sentiments, and mine too – I don’t think we could ever do something as nefarious (tx Eric) as that; Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Do you think doctors, nurses or medical staff > have had experience with drugs like SSRIs and Benzos? > Do you think they can empathize or inform the common > patient about them, from first hand experience? > I would love to get a site where peope who are > "the inner circle" could share their valuable and > informed experiences; I just don’t find much from > this source, e.g. sci.med.pharmacy; > Squiggles > Squiggles, > Universities have lectures open to the public, by experts on the > topics near and dear to our hearts. > One of my posts bout how SRI’s trigger a chemical lobotomy of the > frontal lobes…incited one reader to attend a lecture  at the > University of michigan..(where the expert agreed, and demonstrated > with neuroimaging…it actually occurring) > Here is the UNIV of Michigans website..offering that lecture.. > http://www.med.umich.edu/psych/resed/rounds/archive.htm > Do you have a UNiversity nearby?  If so call or, surf the net to see > if they offer similiar lectures.. bout topics you are interested in.

Good idea; Actually my husband and I were going to attend some Psychiatry lectures at McGill  - open to the public on affective disorders – it looked great – couldn’t go on the date. What I am trying to stress, is not the lack of public knowledge Linda, but rather the lack of cooperation between the public and the drug companies especially; I am well aware of the availability of libraries and university forums. Squiggles — Truth has become a commodity.              - Squiggles

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I was just thinking what a neat idea it might be to request the pharmaceuticals to offer classes on medications or seminars for the patient and or doctors. — Truth has become a commodity.              - Squiggles

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>I was just thinking what a neat idea it might be to >request the pharmaceuticals to offer classes on >medications or seminars for the patient and or doctors.

They do for doctors, usually at very nice locations, in expensive hotels or resorts, and end with the line "Now get out there and prescribe our drug!"

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> They do for doctors, usually at very nice locations, in expensive > hotels or resorts, and end with the line "Now get out there and > prescribe our drug!"

- I give up.

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says… > Do you think doctors, nurses or medical staff > have had experience with drugs like SSRIs and Benzos? > Do you think they can empathize or inform the common > patient about them, from first hand experience? > I would love to get a site where peope who are > "the inner circle" could share their valuable and > informed experiences; I just don’t find much from > this source, e.g. sci.med.pharmacy; > Squiggles

My Dr reads straight off the package insert when he "explains" about drugs. He also told me that never under any circumstances can you increase a Prozac dose above 20 mg/day. I’ve found loads more information/facts/experiences through newsgroups and the web. — Amelia Leave out ‘TheJunk’ before replying

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>My Dr reads straight off the package insert when he "explains" about >drugs. He also told me that never under any circumstances can you >increase a Prozac dose above 20 mg/day. I’ve found loads more >information/facts/experiences through newsgroups and the web.

Can your doctor actually read that thing in under 45 minutes?

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Do you think doctors, nurses or medical staff have had experience with drugs like SSRIs and Benzos? Do you think they can empathize or inform the common patient about them, from first hand experience? I would love to get a site where peope who are "the inner circle" could share their valuable and informed experiences; I just don’t find much from this source, e.g. sci.med.pharmacy; Squiggles

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> All the good treatments get rejected. What we are left with is halfassed SSRIs. > Makes me disgusted. > Eric

I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What kind of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep problems, restlessness, etc. etc. So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a psychiatrist and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! cem

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page >advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What kind >of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from >chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep >problems, restlessness, etc. etc. >So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a psychiatrist >and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! >cem > why dont you go fuck yourself? Paxil is a great drug. > Eric

If one was a stockholder in GSK I would agree with Eric, however the point raised in this post, a point which seems to be well over the head of our poor lost boy is that advertising of drugs might not be the best way to deal with health issues.  By selling a little pill for every problem the doctor patient relationship is replaced by the consumer drug company relationship. Naturally for anti psychiatry activists like Eric that is a quite acceptable outcome.

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Dear Eric, You miss the point, as always! It is not the point if Paxil is a good drug or not! It is the public advertisement of a drug I oppose here. …and for the "go fuck yourself" business, all I have to say is, you have serious personality problems, and you have revealed them here on the Usenet for quite a long time. I suggest, you go and get some help!… cem

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page >advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What kind >of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from >chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep >problems, restlessness, etc. etc. >So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a psychiatrist >and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! >cem > why dont you go fuck yourself? Paxil is a great drug. > Eric > Maneuver warfare is a warfighting philosophy that seeks to shatter the enemy’s > cohesion through a variety of rapid, focused, and unexpected actions which > create a turbulent and rapidly deteriorating situation with which the enemy > cannot cope.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dear Eric, >You miss the point, as always! >It is not the point if Paxil is a good drug or not! It is the public >advertisement of a drug I oppose here. >…and for the "go fuck yourself" business, all I have to say is, you have >serious personality problems, and you have revealed them here on the Usenet >for quite a long time. I suggest, you go and get some help!… > There is big money in psychotropic drug advertisements. The costs are > nothing compared to the benefits to the drug companies of someone > suggesting that med, and the years of income it will bring them. > Advertising specific medications and medications in general is a > shameless act which can possibly harm people. I’m surprised someone > who thinks they are insane because psychiatry made them that way would > object.

It is amazing how I can find no points of agreement with you in one post, and agree with you by and large in another. No.Spam, you are a interesting study in contradictions

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page > >advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What >  kind > >of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from > >chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep > >problems, restlessness, etc. etc. > >So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a >  psychiatrist > >and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! > >cem > why dont you go fuck yourself? Paxil is a great drug. > Eric > If one was a stockholder in GSK I would agree with Eric, however the point > raised in this post, a point which seems to be well over the head of our > poor lost boy is that advertising of drugs might not be the best way to deal > with health issues.  By selling a little pill for every problem the doctor > patient relationship is replaced by the consumer drug company relationship. > Naturally for anti psychiatry activists like Eric that is a quite acceptable > outcome.

whats wrong with this business couldn`t the fuckers just approve it I mean just for the feeling that somethings good is going to happen

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Dear Eric, > >You miss the point, as always! > >It is not the point if Paxil is a good drug or not! It is the public > >advertisement of a drug I oppose here. > >…and for the "go fuck yourself" business, all I have to say is, you > have > >serious personality problems, and you have revealed them here on the > Usenet > >for quite a long time. I suggest, you go and get some help!… > There is big money in psychotropic drug advertisements. The costs are > nothing compared to the benefits to the drug companies of someone > suggesting that med, and the years of income it will bring them. > Advertising specific medications and medications in general is a > shameless act which can possibly harm people. I’m surprised someone > who thinks they are insane because psychiatry made them that way would > object. > It is amazing how I can find no points of agreement with you in one post, > and agree with you by and large in another. > No.Spam, you are a interesting study in contradictions

one day maybe intelligent mutifaceted personalities will be able to come out of the closet.. till then we have….. did you ever see the movie or read the book "King Rat" ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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If you look at that dog link I just sent, take a good look at "home" and check any country in the world that has deaf dogs — what do they all have in common? Almost every single one is white or white with black, blue-eyed, Great Dane, Pit or Staff, or Dalmatian — Incredible!  you wouldn’t dare say that of people who are deaf for example. Squiggles

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> If you look at that dog link I just sent, take a good > look at "home" and check any country in the world > that has deaf dogs — what do they all have in common? > Almost every single one is white or white with black, > blue-eyed, Great Dane, Pit or Staff, or Dalmatian —

Squiggles, In some breeds the white is due to a recessive gene or genes that is somehow linked to deafness. I understand that deafness is quite common in all white cats. I don’t think there is any relationship between the color of a dog’s hair and deafness in people.

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> Im thinking of getting a dog. Id get one as a puppy and train it to hate all > anti-psychiatry assholes. Id put my dog on SSRIs too, just to piss you people > off. > Eric >Squiggles, In some breeds the white is due to a recessive gene or genes >that is somehow linked to deafness. I understand that deafness is quite >common in all white cats. I don’t think there is any relationship between >the color of a dog’s hair and deafness in people.

No, I didn’t mean that deafness in people and dog’s hair are related; I meant that certain qualities (and not just one) are linked; that’s significant in gene determination because, it is not just ONE gene, but several that seem to be linked. Squiggles as for Eric’s dog, I wonder what he’ll name it

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In testing many baby animals were found not to react to being pulled from their mothers after they were on SSRI’s.  Obviously your SSRI dosed dog would be incapable of the hate you desire.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Im thinking of getting a dog. Id get one as a puppy and train it to hate all > anti-psychiatry assholes. Id put my dog on SSRIs too, just to piss you people > off. > Eric >Squiggles, In some breeds the white is due to a recessive gene or genes >that is somehow linked to deafness. I understand that deafness is quite >common in all white cats. I don’t think there is any relationship between >the color of a dog’s hair and deafness in people. > Im insane because psychiatry made me this way > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively

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This is Serzone, according to www.medbroadcast.com here is the link for you reading pleasure; http://drugs.medbroadcast.com/ASP/DrugInfo.asp?BrandNameID=379 Carrie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I`ve been on 600 mg of this stuff for a couple of years. > When I looked in a worthy book recently, it listed 4 types of > antidepressants : >         MAOIs >         SSRIs >         Benzedrines >         Others. >  nefazodone was listed under `others,` but no description was given. The net > hasn`t been much help. > I get very bad headaches when I cut down (and for 3 weeks when I srarted on > it .)

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I`ve been on 600 mg of this stuff for a couple of years. When I looked in a worthy book recently, it listed 4 types of antidepressants :         MAOIs         SSRIs         Benzedrines         Others.  nefazodone was listed under `others,` but no description was given. The net hasn`t been much help. I get very bad headaches when I cut down (and for 3 weeks when I srarted on it .)

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