SSRIs

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i heard this on a movie one time.  does this really help some people, or is it bullshit?  i had side effects which included severe panic attacks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i heard this on a movie one time.  does this really help some people, or is >it >bullshit?  i had side effects which included severe panic attacks. >If youre having panic attacks from meds your Pdoc needs to know that. One >thing >you should know in case you are taking SSRIs by any chance is that SSRIs can >worsen anxiety in panic prone individuals during the first couple weeks. Then >the anti-panic effect of the SSRIs kicks in usually and you start feeling >relaxed. >Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin. >Eric >Basic course in logic 101: >Psychiatry is bullshit…psychiatrists are full of shit

Eric no offense pal, but are you really that nice, or really that stupid? Either way, I pray for you my friend.  But honestly, no offense, did those ECT procedures work for the best?  I believe that post, made by MaryPoppedCherry (which is a hint right there) was just a JOKE.  Common sense will take you a long way, but hell, maybe I should try those ECT’s, maybe just shocking the common sense out of me would be a better way of living.  I guess i’d rather be dumb and happy than to be living in this stresszone.

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>ome people are labeled NICE because their STUPID

some people are labeled nice because THEIR stupid?  Umm try THEY’RE! practice what you preech! LMFAO Jason

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ome people are labeled NICE because their STUPID >some people are labeled nice because THEIR stupid?  Umm try THEY’RE! >practice what you preech! >LMFAO >Jason

sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my posts are very articulate.   there, they’re out now!  oops, i just found a problem Jason, my dictionary says that there isn’t a definition for PREECH. Also, learn how to highlight text why don’t ya! ps:  practice what you PREACH

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> sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my > usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my > posts are very articulate.   > there, they’re out now!  oops, i just found a problem Jason, my dictionary says > that there isn’t a definition for PREECH. > Also, learn how to highlight text why don’t ya! > ps:  practice what you PREACH

Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao! — Amelia

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>Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin.

Bullshit, drug pusher, prove it.

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>maybe I should try those ECT’s, maybe just shocking the >common sense out of me would be a better way of living.

No, it popular in NC though.

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>Eric no offense pal, but are you really that nice, or really that stupid?

Stupid

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>Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao!

Mind reader?

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>If youre having panic attacks from meds your Pdoc needs to know that.

A sign meds are fucked up.

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>sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my >usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my >posts are very articulate.  

Eric?

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>Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin.

Squiggles?

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>SSRIs by any chance is that SSRIs can >worsen anxiety in panic prone individuals during the first couple weeks.

They can worsen panic PERIOD.

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> >Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao! > Mind reader?

Yea. Why do you ask? — Amelia

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> >> Mind reader? >Yea. >Why do you ask? > If you are a mind reader, why are you asking? LOL

I slipped. Back on track now though. Damn. — Amelia

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> My son used to take Celexa and I believe he took it in the morning.  It > couldn’t hurt for you to try for a few days and see what happens.  I always > take my prozac in the morning, but then the pdoc recommends that as well.

i take an SSRI too, sertraline (Zoloft)… i was told to take it in the morning because SSRIs have a mild stimulant effect and can cause sleep disturbance if you take them at night… what matters i think is that you take them at the same time each day, regardless of when… hugs m — ~~~~~~>><:>~~~~~~ iriXx " you can try the best you can    you can try the best you can …the best you can is good enough" radiohead: optomistic

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hi there.. Here is my current med regime – my question follows: Morning: 37.5 mg Effexor  <— am being weaned off this, won’t take it next week              900 mg Gabapentin Evening:  50 mg. Celexa              1200 mg. Gabapentin Okay you Celexa folks, do you take your Celexa in the morning on in the evening? I am starting to think it may not be the best med for me to take at night as I am not sleeping well. I get 3-4 hours very light sleep if I don’t take a sleep med, or 5 – 6 hours of a deeper sleep if I give in and take 7.5 mg. Imovane (Canadian non-benzodiazepine sleep med). Gabapentin folks – do you think it is the Gabapentin keeping me on such a light sleep regime? thanks so much everyone, Compucat  >^+^<

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > hi there.. > Here is my current med regime – my question follows: > Morning: 37.5 mg Effexor  <— am being weaned off this, won’t take it next > week >              900 mg Gabapentin > Evening:  50 mg. Celexa >              1200 mg. Gabapentin > Okay you Celexa folks, do you take your Celexa in the morning on in the > evening? I am starting to think it may not be the best med for me to take at > night as I am not sleeping well. I get 3-4 hours very light sleep if I don’t > take a sleep med, or 5 – 6 hours of a deeper sleep if I give in and take 7.5 > mg. Imovane (Canadian non-benzodiazepine sleep med).

My son used to take Celexa and I believe he took it in the morning.  It couldn’t hurt for you to try for a few days and see what happens.  I always take my prozac in the morning, but then the pdoc recommends that as well. > Gabapentin folks – do you think it is the Gabapentin keeping me on such a > light sleep regime?

Fo me I am having a lot of trouble with neurontin (gabapentin) making me sleepy.  I take a larger dose of it at bedtime and it usually helps me to sleep better.  But then that just shows how different we all are with the same meds. I hope your sleep gets better soon Compucat. Bonnie – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> thanks so much everyone, > Compucat  >^+^<

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I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I have experienced a lot more crying lately. Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? Thanks. Joey

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> Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa?

Yes, I had a similar experience to yours.  Celexa seemed to help me for a short while (couple of months or so) and then it seemed not to have any effect (positive or negative) after that.  I started out on 40mg a day and was on 60mg a day when my pdoc switched me to Paxil and Seroquel.  I weigh in at about 275 right now to give you somewhat of an idea of why my doses were what they were.

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I have had the same experience with all SSRIs. I cry constantly, hallucinate, feel paranoid and totally detached from my body. I tried to take Elavil again and had the same problem, so after 10 years of trying meds, I give up. There has to be another way for those of us who can’t tolerate meds.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 > mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take > at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with > depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have > been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was > working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I > have experienced a lot more crying lately. > Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? > Thanks. > Joey

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> I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 > mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take > at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with > depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have > been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was > working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I > have experienced a lot more crying lately. > Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? > Thanks. > Joey

crying isn’t necessarily a good indicator of depression. when i’m deeply depressed, i don’t cry; i’m much too numb. for me, at least, crying is often a sign of recovery. -lisa

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It just made me numb most of the time. I did cry occasionally just becuase it didn’t matter if I cried or not. I’m just trying to get on without which is proberbly a bad idea but I prefer to feel depressed than not to feel …Groundhog

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I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who are on that dose and how you are doing? Thanks, Joey

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I’m taking Celexa 20mg since one month.  I fell better with this med than Paxil and Effexor. I take my med morning.  I have no inconvenient with this. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing?

I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. — David Chamberlain http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain — Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. — A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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my doc had me all the way up to 80,  and i have read after 40 there really isnt much more it can do but i could be wrong, but i had no side effects or relief at that matter. brian s. — Get 5 bucks free for signing up with the internets #1 e-payment service. https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=8YXF6QPBZH46C Check out my tape trading list below. .shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing? > I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice > anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for > my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was > good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. > So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. > — > David Chamberlain > http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain > — > Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening > presents and listen. > — > A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

Joey, I also just started on Celexa. I was using Effexor. The effexor was not working as well any longer and I wanted a change. My pdoc changed me to the Celexa. I’ve been taking it about 3 weeks now. I was very depressed 3 weeks ago. In fact attempted suicide. I didn’t think I’d ever feel better up until about 2 days ago. The medication is starting to kick in and I’m feeling much better. I’m on 30 mg and am grateful that I feel better. There have been many times in my life that I have questioned the "do I want to be on meds?" question. My answer is simple but complex. I want to be able to be "normal" but you know for me that’s not going to happen. It is a sadnes that I grieve over but have come to accept to some degree. I think that this is your question. Am I right? Well, I needed to determine the kind of like I wanted to live and with my depression/panic disorder/ptsd well I don’t function well without medications. So, I decided that rather than feel totally destroyed I take the medications, go to therapy and do the best I can. Your experience may or may not be the same. You have to decide what is right for you. mouse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice >anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for >my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was >good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. >So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. >– >David Chamberlain >http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain >– >Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening >presents and listen. >– >A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

One of my problems is distinguishing between the depression and the anxiety.  Also, when you have been depressed for so long, it is sometimes hard to know what normal is when you have gotten used to the depression.  A good way of explaining this, especially in my case, is that prior to being treated for depression, I had five brain surgeries due to hydrocephalus and an arachnoid cyst on my optic nerve.  The symptoms that I was experiencing as a result of these problems included siezures, headaches, and short-term memory loss with the headaches getting worse.  Well, at different times, I recall going to the doctor and telling him that I had no headaches and was doing fine. However, after the appointment I would tell my parents (This all got diagnosed when I was 17), that I had a headache and didn’t know why I told the doctor otherwise.  What was happening in my case was that as the headaches got worse, my tolerance level for pain got higher and higher, so what used to be a painful headache wasn’t as painful.  I think the same thing has happened with the depression and the anxiety. With the headaches, my doctor had me keep a headache journal to track when I had headaches and how long.  I have been keeping a journal since I have started counseling and started on medication, but I am still struggling with the anxiety and worry. Joey

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS Newsgroups: tnn.test,alt.support.depression X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.vis i.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!op tus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemai l.com.au!not-for-mail This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take it regularly at the same time. As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it will be with you is to try it. Best wishes, Peter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey > From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters > whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take > it regularly at the same time. > As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found > that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the > higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage > I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on > the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals > react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it > will be with you is to try it. > Best wishes, > Peter.

I was prescribed Celexa 8 weeks ago. It is making me feel better than I ever felt. I feel normal. I had been on Paxil for a year, felt worse. I’ve been on Zoloft, Serzone , Prozac, and none made me feel better till Celexor. I take it every night and feel no side effects and no drowsiness at all. I have recently lost my son. Nove 9th he died and I handled it pretty well even though I cry at times. I believe Celexor helped me through it. Peace Joanne

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I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who are on that dose and how you are doing? Thanks, Joey

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I’m taking Celexa 20mg since one month.  I fell better with this med than Paxil and Effexor. I take my med morning.  I have no inconvenient with this. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing?

I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. — David Chamberlain http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain — Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. — A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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my doc had me all the way up to 80,  and i have read after 40 there really isnt much more it can do but i could be wrong, but i had no side effects or relief at that matter. brian s. — Get 5 bucks free for signing up with the internets #1 e-payment service. https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=8YXF6QPBZH46C Check out my tape trading list below. .shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing? > I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice > anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for > my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was > good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. > So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. > — > David Chamberlain > http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain > — > Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening > presents and listen. > — > A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

Joey, I also just started on Celexa. I was using Effexor. The effexor was not working as well any longer and I wanted a change. My pdoc changed me to the Celexa. I’ve been taking it about 3 weeks now. I was very depressed 3 weeks ago. In fact attempted suicide. I didn’t think I’d ever feel better up until about 2 days ago. The medication is starting to kick in and I’m feeling much better. I’m on 30 mg and am grateful that I feel better. There have been many times in my life that I have questioned the "do I want to be on meds?" question. My answer is simple but complex. I want to be able to be "normal" but you know for me that’s not going to happen. It is a sadnes that I grieve over but have come to accept to some degree. I think that this is your question. Am I right? Well, I needed to determine the kind of like I wanted to live and with my depression/panic disorder/ptsd well I don’t function well without medications. So, I decided that rather than feel totally destroyed I take the medications, go to therapy and do the best I can. Your experience may or may not be the same. You have to decide what is right for you. mouse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice >anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for >my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was >good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. >So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. >– >David Chamberlain >http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain >– >Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening >presents and listen. >– >A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

One of my problems is distinguishing between the depression and the anxiety.  Also, when you have been depressed for so long, it is sometimes hard to know what normal is when you have gotten used to the depression.  A good way of explaining this, especially in my case, is that prior to being treated for depression, I had five brain surgeries due to hydrocephalus and an arachnoid cyst on my optic nerve.  The symptoms that I was experiencing as a result of these problems included siezures, headaches, and short-term memory loss with the headaches getting worse.  Well, at different times, I recall going to the doctor and telling him that I had no headaches and was doing fine. However, after the appointment I would tell my parents (This all got diagnosed when I was 17), that I had a headache and didn’t know why I told the doctor otherwise.  What was happening in my case was that as the headaches got worse, my tolerance level for pain got higher and higher, so what used to be a painful headache wasn’t as painful.  I think the same thing has happened with the depression and the anxiety. With the headaches, my doctor had me keep a headache journal to track when I had headaches and how long.  I have been keeping a journal since I have started counseling and started on medication, but I am still struggling with the anxiety and worry. Joey

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i have been on Celexa for about a year. i take 20mg daily.  i take mine before bedtime because it makes me sleepy.  i haven’t had any undesirable side effects, however i have noticed that the longer i have been on it, i have had trouble with muscle aches.  does anyone else?

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS Newsgroups: tnn.test,alt.support.depression X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.vis i.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!op tus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemai l.com.au!not-for-mail This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take it regularly at the same time. As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it will be with you is to try it. Best wishes, Peter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey > From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters > whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take > it regularly at the same time. > As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found > that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the > higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage > I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on > the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals > react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it > will be with you is to try it. > Best wishes, > Peter.

I was prescribed Celexa 8 weeks ago. It is making me feel better than I ever felt. I feel normal. I had been on Paxil for a year, felt worse. I’ve been on Zoloft, Serzone , Prozac, and none made me feel better till Celexor. I take it every night and feel no side effects and no drowsiness at all. I have recently lost my son. Nove 9th he died and I handled it pretty well even though I cry at times. I believe Celexor helped me through it. Peace Joanne

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> Hello, > I’ve just started taking Celexa, and I have a question about the > potential for (unwanted) weight gain.  Is the weight gain side effect > associated with SSRIs a consequence of a change in eating habits > induced by the drug, or directly due to a change in metabolism?  In > other words, if I carefully monitor what I eat, can I avoid gaining > weight or even be able to lose weight?

 Hi Tom, Welcome to the ng. Antidepressants may increase or decrease basal metabolic rate without changing caloric intake or they may affect hormonal changes and increase appetite. The best course of action is to increase physical activity….aerobic nonstop activity daily for at least 30 min a day. Peace, Lynda I believe it alters carbohydrate metabolism

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hi Tom… the SSRI (Prozac) that I was on for years caused me to have an initial weight loss, although the loss eventually evened itself out. My Pdoc says that regarding weight gain, unfortunately it is not so much eating habits changed by the drug as it is a metabolical change (I had asked him about this too). However, Prozac and Celexa do have pharmacological differences (Celexa is a newer breed of drug), so my Pdoc may have just been giving me info specific to Prozac. Regards, compucat

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello, > I’ve just started taking Celexa, and I have a question about the > potential for (unwanted) weight gain.  Is the weight gain side effect > associated with SSRIs a consequence of a change in eating habits > induced by the drug, or directly due to a change in metabolism?  In > other words, if I carefully monitor what I eat, can I avoid gaining > weight or even be able to lose weight? > Tom L.

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Hello, I’ve just started taking Celexa, and I have a question about the potential for (unwanted) weight gain.  Is the weight gain side effect associated with SSRIs a consequence of a change in eating habits induced by the drug, or directly due to a change in metabolism?  In other words, if I carefully monitor what I eat, can I avoid gaining weight or even be able to lose weight? Tom L.

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This is kind of a really general request, but I’m looking for info on new meds in the past 2 years or so. I used to take effexor (a lot of), seroquel, and neurontin, which left me a little better of than not being on them. I used to freaking read about every drug, new drugs, but then moved, stoped taking all meds, and didn’t pay it so much attention. Now my depression is returning with a vengance, and was wondering what kind of new meds are out there. I’ve been Dx’ed as bipolar i, ii, cyclothemic (?), major depression, PTSD, and just about everything where they can say ‘yer fucked up buddy and we’ll try a bunch of shit on you and see if you feel better’. Ehh, yeah. Confidence builder for sure. So I’ve run through Prozax, paxil, effexor, wellbutrin, neurontin, lagomitrine (sp? … something for epilepsy.. whaddyacall it.. Lamactil?), depakote (evil bad man), classic and novel antipsychotics and mood stabilizers – haldol (bad), zyprexa (not good), seroquel (ok, i guess), buspar, lithium (bad), a couple other antipsychotics that caused more psychosis than they fixed (wierd deja-vu, time distortions, getting lost in my own neighborhood, short and long term memory loss.. ugly ugly).. About every benzo and hypnotic on the market for sleep.. So anyway, I guess I’m still looking for the magic bullet. I went back on effexor & seroquel & neurontin, with a minor benefit. Impramine helped on top. Seroquel helps sleep, as does xanax. Ultram, buprenorphine did nothing (nothing at all.. except maybe help headaches and a smashed up knee pain). dexadrine and, err, methamphetamine seem to help a lot with focus and .. ehh.. what was i talking about? focus and motivaion, but that was all illicit, and I can’t really tell my pdoc I NEED AMPHETAMINES BECAUSE THEY MAKE ME NOT CRAZY!!! DAMMIT!! DONT YOU SEE?!  LOL I’m not real concerned with mood stabilization, I don’t get manicy usially, and when I do, it’s more like I’m not manic per-se, but more like my old self before I got crushed by this depression thing. So any ideas would be swell. Especially information on new ADs that I haven’t tried, that might help me out. I’m hitting the end of my rope and going to fall into blackness if I don’t get some decent scripts SOON. TIA, B

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> >So any ideas would be swell. Especially information on new ADs that I >haven’t tried, that might help me out. I’m hitting the end of my rope >and going to fall into blackness if I don’t get some decent scripts SOON. > just a new SSRI and no different really than the others…it would be a waste > of time trying if youve tried the other SSRIs. There is a new atypical > anti-psychotic that has come out recently, Geodon, which has moderate > serotonin/norephinephrine reuptake properties to it.

 I AM SICK OF BEING SICK i am so frustrated

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how hard is it to get off of effexor?..i am on 75 mg for about a year now, but everytime i stop itr i am dizzy for weeks..how do i quit? thanks

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My experience was pretty much uneventful.  Went from 150 to 75 per day for a couple of weeks, then stopped cold two weeks ago.  Only thing I suffered was a major headache, which may have been attributed to Ritalin which I went on at about the same time.   If it makes any difference, I was on the SR not the regular Effexor. >how hard is it to get off of effexor?..i am on 75 mg for about a year >now, but everytime i stop itr i am dizzy for weeks..how do i quit?

You will need to go through it or you will never get off of it. YMWV ~Polly~ ~anna~

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I was on Effexor then switched to Effexor XR…….my Pdoc weaned me off of it VERY slowly.  I did have a MAJOR headache for about 2 days after I stopped completely.   Check with your Pdoc about cutting the pills in half for a few weeks.  Good luck            Cin

> how hard is it to get off of effexor?..i am on 75 mg for about a year > now, but everytime i stop itr i am dizzy for weeks..how do i quit? > thanks

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>>how hard is it to get off of effexor?..i am on 75 mg for about a year >now, but everytime i stop itr i am dizzy for weeks..how do i quit? >You will need to go through it or you will never get off of it.

thank you,,i think your right..:( >~Polly~ >~anna~

funny..i was tortured with this nick name for years as a kid..:) some days it just don’t pay to chew thru the leather restraints.

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Wish I saw this a month ago.  :-(

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Setting a schedule > http://www.walnet.org/llf/drugs/psychdrugs1.html#quitting > Remember, psychiatric drugs should never be stopped abruptly! The more > slowly you can withdraw, the less bad effects you will suffer. The > best plan is to work out a schedule with your doctor that best suits > your situation. > Standard practice is to reduce your dosage by 10 percent per week, > monitoring your progress at every step. The first week, you would > reduce your dosage by ten percent. Try that for the first week, and > then see how you are doing. If you feel OK, reduce the dosage by > another 10 percent. Try that for a week, and see if you feel OK. > If you reach a point where you don’t feel OK, don’t reduce your dosage > by another 10 percent. Stay at the same reduced level for another > week, or until you do feel fine. Then reduce by another 10 percent and > continue with the process. Some steps might be more difficult than > others; take your time. > For example, if you are taking 200mg of Chlorpromazine a day, reduce > by 10 percent — 20mg — to 180mg per day. Try that level for a week. > The next reduction would be to 160mg a day for a week (or longer), > then 140mg a day, and so on. > If you are taking more than one medication at a time, it’s best to > stop them one by one. If you are taking a neuroleptic (major > tranquilizer) and an anticonvulsive drug (anti-Parkinsonian) at the > same time, which is common, withdraw from the neuroleptic first. > However, if you are taking more than one medication, this is a > situation where it is definitely best to have a doctor working with > you. > Withdrawal effects by drug class > If you are working with a woman who wants to stop taking psychiatric > drugs, it’s important to be familiar with the typical reactions or > symptoms of withdrawal. These vary, depending on the person, how long > she’s been taking the drug, her dosage, and the type of drug. > Different classes of drugs bring on different withdrawal reactions. > Some of these reactions may be disturbing and hard to witness but not > really dangerous. Others may be life-threatening. > A familiarity with drug withdrawal reactions will help you in working > with any woman who is taking psychiatric medication. Many patients > don’t take their medications as prescribed; they will alter their > dosage, increasing or decreasing the amount they take. Or they will > miss a day’s medication, and then catch up by taking twice as much the > next day. By mistakenly taking too little medication, they may bring > on the early stages of withdrawal. Mysterious physical and emotional > complaints may actually be signs that they are not taking their > medication as prescribed. > Even when a woman is taking her medication as prescribed, she may > experience the beginnings of a withdrawal reaction as a dose begins to > wear off. For example, a woman who is taking a minor tranquilizer may > find herself feeling agitated and restless before she is to take her > next prescribed dose. > In both cases, these signs are the results of the early stages of > withdrawal. It may seem like the agitation, anxiety, or physical > discomfort are signs of a woman’s "mental illness" or a sign that she > really does need the medication she’s taking. However, her complaints > may actually be due to the physical effects of the beginning stages of > drug withdrawal. > Listed below are the main classes of psychiatric medication, along > with the withdrawal reactions that are most common with each of them. > Antidepressants and neuroleptics > flu-like syndrome with headache, muscle aches, chills, nausea, > vomiting, diarrhea, and loss of appetite > muscular reactions such as uncontrollable rhythmic movements and > tremors (these are more severe with neuroleptics) > insomnia, emotional distress, feeling like one is "going crazy" > Lithium > less side effects generally than other classes > insomnia, anxiety, irritability > Minor tranquilizers, sedatives > sudden withdrawal can result in life-threatening seizures; withdrawal > must be very gradual > seizures common in early stages of withdrawal > other reactions can include flu-like syndrome (see above), muscle > tics, restlessness, and anxiety > withdrawal symptoms usually take a few days to develop, but can occur > immediately and get worse during the first week > What you can do to support a woman withdrawing from medication > Respect the woman’s right to make her own choices. > Be informed about the process of withdrawing from psychiatric drugs. > Be familiar with the withdrawal symptoms so that you can stay > clearheaded and not panic. > Help keep people who disapprove of what the woman is doing from > interfering in the process. > Remind the woman to get enough sleep. > Make sure she gets enough to eat. Help her prepare food, as she may be > too nervous to cook on her own. > Help her get in touch with other people who will support her. > Don’t be misled by the withdrawal symptoms, thinking that they are > signs of her "illness." Be patient; it takes time to withdraw from the >how hard is it to get off of effexor?..i am on 75 mg for about a year >now, but everytime i stop itr i am dizzy for weeks..how do i quit? >thanks

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>>how hard is it to get off of effexor?..i am on 75 mg for about a year >now, but everytime i stop itr i am dizzy for weeks..how do i quit? >thanks

My grandmother habituated(?) me to drink coffee when I was about 4 years of age. Since then I’ve been drinking 2 to 6 cups coffee per day, with only a couple of breaks lasting maximally some months. In an attempt to reduce my level of anxiety I decided to change to decaf coffee. I’ve been on ("on"[?]) it for a couple of weeks now. Since then I’ve felt quite dizzy almost all the time. I also sweat like a n***er when I’m biking. It seems to me adding some instant regular coffee to the decaf might help but I’m not absolutely sure of that. But the positive side of drinking decaf is that I don’t wake up in the middle of the night with my heart racing like hell, anymore. Perhaps effexor is a bit stronger than caffeine as to withdrawal…

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Well what can I say, here I find myself on AD. There are lots of things that might have brought me down this road but I am not sure. I have read lots about depression and what people think it is. I am not sure if am I am or if I am not but what I do know is there must be something wrong. The thoughts that processed through my mind and the ever feeling of guilt whether I deserve to feel it or not. I have always been compulsive I guess when I start a task I hafta finish it or it drives me nuts. Then after I finish I never like my own work. there for a while I really became obsessed about my job and climbing the ladder of success, only 2 find out its who you know…rather then what you know!! The thoughts were always there and I could handle them I think but they are getting the best of me these days and the anxiety I was feeling but made me feel lower and sadder. So then we tried effexor..37…..75 and now 150. Its been a hard road to stay on these pills and their nasty side effects. I think things are getten better but I got a taste of reality the other nite when I was drinking and got sad again when I thought of something that has gotten me down lately. I see many changes happening since I started these and I am not sure where I am going. I hope its a good journey? Till next time…..

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Thx 4 the help. I have lots of questions since starting this med. I am not sure what I am suppose to be feeling since starting this. I am not sure just thinking of taking a med will help or if it really is. In college I took pharmacology so I know a little about meds and there side effects. At the beginning of this med I felt lots of nausea and headaches, hot flashes and some nights where I got only 4 hrs of sleep. Most of them have gone away. Last night after increasing another 37.5(x5) I woke to pounding my pillow!lol the wife thought I was out of my mind lol I was dreaming about a client attacking me at work and I was defending myself! nothing that I would really do with any of my clients! but what’s weird is before effexor I could never remember my dreams. Not that I wanted to since I could never remember them but often woke the house cuz of night terrors?? each day that goes by is a different feeling one day I wake to being so dragged out then the next to fully charged, I don’t feel the guilt I use to with everything that I do both at work and home. Being a boss that doesn’t like to discipline I always felt guilty for doing it. That feeling is starting to fade. Again not sure if its that I made some life changes regarding work or if its the meds? I guess what I am wondering from you and others is this how others feel? and do you think effexor is my answer? thx for interest!

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Vajda.. I wrote you a long reply under the thread: "Re: dopamine reuptake effect"

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>s. I think things are getten better but I >got a taste of reality the other nite when I was drinking and got sad again >when I thought of something that has gotten me down lately.

What in God’s name are you doing drinking on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety drugs????  Do you know the danger of that?  Alcohol is a depressant.  When you mix the combo you are mixing, you have a pretty good chance of possibly shutting down your nervous system.  Didn’t your doctor warn you of this? If you have a drinking problem, STOP the booze before you start on the anti-depressants and other drugs.  I too, am an alcoholic.  I made certain I was DONE drinking before I started on meds.  Plus, I got my butt into therapy. If you don’t believe me, read up on the side effects.  Just type in Effexor or Lorazepam into any search engine and READ what is says about mixing booze with these drugs. You’re playing russian roulette. Luanne http://members.aol.com/luannep/adoption.htm http://members.aol.com/luannemarie/capage2.htm

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> What in God’s name are you doing drinking on anti-depressants and anti-anxiety > drugs????  Do you know the danger of that?  Alcohol is a depressant.  When you > mix the combo you are mixing, you have a pretty good chance of possibly > shutting down your nervous system.  Didn’t your doctor warn you of this? >You’re playing russian roulette. > Luanne

Errr, Effexor and most (all?) of the SSRIs don’t interact with alcohol. I’ve been on Effexor and Zoloft for months and drink pretty often.  I’m NOT an alcoholic, but I have 1-2 drinks all the time, sometimes even more. You’re just spreading ignorance. There is a sticker on the bottle saying "May cause drowsiness.  Alcohol may intensify the effect.  Avoid operating heavy machinery."  The TRUTH is that there is _no_ evidence either way, which means, in effect, that they do not interact.  For legal reasons, just about every presciption medication out there advises against using alcohol, but this is nothing to take seriously. Jeez, can’t you tell when you’re running into "protect our asses from crack lawsuits" legalese? As for antianxiety drugs, like benzos & valium, no, it’s not a good idea because they are depressants too.  Antidepressants–the SSRIs, Effexor, and Wellbutrin at least–are surprisingly not depressants.  It’s FINE to drink while on them, but be sensible and test it out in moderation and when you don’t have to drive.

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ok I agree that alcohol is a depressant and probably doesn’t help but yes when I checked the websites about this drug there is no interaction with it. I am sure in moderation its ok. really what’s the diff pop a lorazapam or have a drink or 2????? not condemning or condoning…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> What in God’s name are you doing drinking on anti-depressants and > anti-anxiety > drugs????  Do you know the danger of that?  Alcohol is a depressant. When > you > mix the combo you are mixing, you have a pretty good chance of possibly > shutting down your nervous system.  Didn’t your doctor warn you of this? >You’re playing russian roulette. > Luanne > Errr, Effexor and most (all?) of the SSRIs don’t interact with alcohol. > I’ve been on Effexor and Zoloft for months and drink pretty often.  I’m NOT > an alcoholic, but I have 1-2 drinks all the time, sometimes even more. > You’re just spreading ignorance. > There is a sticker on the bottle saying "May cause drowsiness.  Alcohol may > intensify the effect.  Avoid operating heavy machinery."  The TRUTH is that > there is _no_ evidence either way, which means, in effect, that they do not > interact.  For legal reasons, just about every presciption medication out > there advises against using alcohol, but this is nothing to take seriously. > Jeez, can’t you tell when you’re running into "protect our asses from crack > lawsuits" legalese? > As for antianxiety drugs, like benzos & valium, no, it’s not a good idea > because they are depressants too.  Antidepressants–the SSRIs, Effexor, and > Wellbutrin at least–are surprisingly not depressants.  It’s FINE to drink > while on them, but be sensible and test it out in moderation and when you > don’t have to drive.

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I used to use a drug called Ambien to get to sleep.  I found that Risperdal worked better for me (Risperdal is an anti-psychotic).

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hi, >Interested in all people write about effexor or wellbutrin. >Terry M. > I have taken Welbutrin with Lithium for 7-8 years. It does not havesnip > Yes, I get down but it is real and I actually feel in > contact with myself.

I tried Welbutrin and Lithium and the Welbutrin put into a state of mile hysteria….I now use Paxil instead, but can’t tell if it works.  Prozac also put into hypomania, but that is not so unpleasant in my case. I read of other meds in this group ‘maneril’ ‘efexor’ and i have no info on them at all. kinda makes me think are each a walking lab….anyone know of the long term effects of this stiff, i don’t, but still take it….no other option. I am bp II/rapic cycling, just for the record. Does anyone use sleep medication on a regular basis?  if so what? Ernie

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Hi, I used effexor for a year. It seemed to have no real side effects for me except constipation and I needed to take it with food. It seemed to take care of depression in a very clean way.  After about 9 months I started having a lot of trouble getting up in the morning and having really weird dreams that had very drugged,dazed feeling and were very hard to get out of. This did not feel like me at all. My practitioner told me a month ago that she would like me off effexor since she thinks it contributes to cycling in me and thinks that I have bipolar tendencies, I guess you could call it cyclothymic. I really think effexor is very hard to come off quickly if you have anything to do like go to a job or take care of kids. I experienced a dizzy, disorienting feeling, lack of concentration, and just general very unpleasant states of mind. So I took  75 mg of effexor and increasing amounts of wellbutrin at the same time and that was do-able. Now up to 150 mg wellbutrin and feeling ok although somewhat irritable and overemotinal. We’ll see. Interested in all people write about effexor or wellbutrin. Terry M.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->:Hi, >: >:I used effexor for a year. It seemed to have no real side effects for me >:except constipation and I needed to take it with food. It seemed to take >:care of depression in a very clean way.  After about 9 months I started >:having a lot of trouble getting up in the morning and having really >:weird dreams that had very drugged,dazed feeling and were very hard to >:get out of. This did not feel like me at all. >: >:My practitioner told me a month ago that she would like me off effexor >:since she thinks it contributes to cycling in me and thinks that I have >:bipolar tendencies, I guess you could call it cyclothymic. I really >:think effexor is very hard to come off quickly if you have anything to >:do like go to a job or take care of kids. I experienced a dizzy, >:disorienting feeling, lack of concentration, and just general very >:unpleasant states of mind. So I took  75 mg of effexor and increasing >:amounts of wellbutrin at the same time and that was do-able. >: >:Now up to 150 mg wellbutrin and feeling ok although somewhat irritable >:and overemotinal. We’ll see. >: >:Interested in all people write about effexor or wellbutrin. >: >:Terry M. >:

I have never been on effexor but had nightmarish experiences with Wellbutrin.  I was diagnosed as rapid-cycling Bipolar II and the first anti-depressant the doc tried me on was Wellbutrin, saying it was the least likely to make me flip into hypomania.  Wellbutrin didn’t do anything for my depression, but had me cycling so often that I was bouncing off walls.  I was crying all the time, getting really angry for no reason and losing my temper even in the office, couldn’t sleep, was constipated as all hell, etc. So, after many trials and tribulations, I’m on Depakote (mood stabilizer), Zoloft (anti-depressant), Klonopin (anti-anxiety, anti-manic), and Lorazepam (sedative for sleep).  Keep working with your doctor to find the best combination that works for you.  It is quite common for anti-depressants to throw bipolar patients to the other side of manic-depression. Good luck…….Barrie

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>Hi,

>Interested in all people write about effexor or wellbutrin. >Terry M.

I have taken Welbutrin with Lithium for 7-8 years. It does not have the boost of Zooloft or Prozac (Prozac booted me into a manic state), but it has the uncany ability to keep me more on center than any other antidepressant. Yes, I get down but it is real and I actually feel in contact with myself. -Doug

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Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me into going into that fucking place. Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know what they are doing. I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to work or something, I dont know. But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. Goodbye, Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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I hope you feel better Eric, don’t give up the fight. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life >is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP >problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, >revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and >depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. >Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the >hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me >into going into that fucking place. >Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. >Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont >feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really >dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do >so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug >metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what >a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know >what they are doing. >I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to >work or something, I dont know. >But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. >Goodbye, >Eric >Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression >MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) >http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life > is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP > problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, > revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and > depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. > Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the > hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me > into going into that fucking place. > Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. > Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont > feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really > dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do > so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug > metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what > a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know > what they are doing. > I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to > work or something, I dont know. > But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. > Goodbye,

I see you decided to quit ASD-Med, now the NG been destroyed by those trolling here… if you quit,  email me if you want to talk about anything or just want to argue about SSRI’s for old times sake… I’ll email you with an alternative email account I use in conjunction with my other ISP’s, where you can also reach should  larryh’s non stop efforts to get my AOL account yanked ever succeed!    LOL.. Well and Warm Wishes always, linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eric > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life > is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP > problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, > revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and > depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. > Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the > hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me > into going into that fucking place. > Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. > Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont > feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really > dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do > so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug > metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what > a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know > what they are doing. > I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to > work or something, I dont know. > But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. > Goodbye,

Ok, Eric.  You went to the temple of psychiatry and you got worse, you got on one ssri and you felt worse, you started changing your meds and you feel worse, and now you are thinking of getting zapped?  You are not an idiot, please reconsider the ECT.  Try working a bit, waking up at 6 am getting showered and on the road, driving through rush hour (if you have one down there) to work , dealing with your boss and co workers and the clients for 9-10 hours, driving home and getting ready to do it again 5 days a week.  It’s not fun, but it sure beats wasting away! I truly wish you all the best of luck in your recovery.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life > is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP > problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, > revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and > depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. > Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the > hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me > into going into that fucking place. > Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. > Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont > feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really > dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do > so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug > metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what > a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know > what they are doing. > I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to > work or something, I dont know. > But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. > Goodbye, >Ok, Eric.  You went to the temple of psychiatry and you got worse, you got on one >ssri and you felt worse, you started changing your meds and you feel worse, and now >you are thinking of getting zapped?  You are not an idiot, please reconsider the >ECT.  Try working a bit, waking up at 6 am getting showered and on the road, >driving through rush hour (if you have one down there) to work , dealing with your >boss and co workers and the clients for 9-10 hours, driving home and getting ready >to do it again 5 days a week.  It’s not fun, but it sure beats wasting away! >I truly wish you all the best of luck in your recovery.

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> I hope you feel better Eric, don’t give up the fight. >Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life >is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP >problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, >revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and >depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it.

Sorry you feel so low Eric.. Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them feel worse because eventually they will feel better? >Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the >hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me >into going into that fucking place.

Certainly seems like it.. >Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. >Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont >feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy.

that doesnt have to be a bad thing,, I may give ECT a shot, Think hard and long about that one Eric… I really >dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do >so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug >metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what >a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know >what they are doing.

When Squiggles suggested that you abused her and drove her out of the group.. >I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to >work or something, I dont know.

Sounds good if youre up to it.. not knowing isnt always a bad place to be.. Its exausting always trying to be right.. >But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. >Goodbye,

Take care Eric.. Ill miss sparring with you.. you are always frank and not afraid to tell youre truth Wouldnt Dr Bob let you back in if you promised not to talk about the things you believe in? Good luck in whatever you decide.. regards, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Eric >Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression >MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) >http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<< I hope you feel better Eric, don’t give up the fight. >> Thanks Rob, I will probably be back when and if I ever feel decent again. The SSRIs give  me just barely enough antidepressant effect to kind of stay afloat, adding the Seroquel to it revs me up real bad. It is hard to explain. I just am not feeling too hot lately and just feel like I want to be alone. My normal personality is kind of on the aggressive side and lately Ive just been not feeling too aggressive. When I feel the antidepressant effect pretty good I feel good and strong and confident and focused and aggressive. Like I said I will probably be back…I dont know when though only when Im feeling decent. Fighting both blood pressure and adding psych meds to it has really complicated everything for me and Im having a bitch of a time. Until then…take care. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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>Sorry you feel so low Eric.. >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them >feel worse because eventually they will feel better?

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>linda

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>Sorry you feel so low Eric.. >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? > Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to > put that.

Nothing "sneaky" at all… Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go away when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that … maybe thats whats happening with Eric … that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so far.. …. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? regards, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Sorry you feel so low Eric.. > >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them > >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? > Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to > put that. >Nothing "sneaky" at all… >Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go away >when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. >If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that >… maybe thats whats happening with Eric >… that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so far.. >…. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. >I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. >his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? >regards, >Bob

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Sorry you feel so low Eric.. >> >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them >> >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? >> Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to >> put that. >Nothing "sneaky" at all… >Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go away >when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. >If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that >… maybe thats whats happening with Eric >… that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so far.. >…. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. >I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. >his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? >regards, >Bob > Bob that was a blanket statement on your part, meds keep me sane, > blanket statement on my part. Like it or not meds are a fact of life > for the mentally ill, look at Gem.

It was *not* a blanket statement it was my adios and good wishes to Eric.. This is his thread.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >Sorry you feel so low Eric.. > >> >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making >them > >> >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? > >> Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to > >> put that. > >Nothing "sneaky" at all… > >Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go >away > >when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. > >If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that > >… maybe thats whats happening with Eric > >… that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so >far.. > >…. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. > >I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. > >his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? > >regards, > >Bob > Bob that was a blanket statement on your part, meds keep me sane, > blanket statement on my part. Like it or not meds are a fact of life > for the mentally ill, look at Gem. >It was *not* a blanket statement it was my adios and good wishes to Eric.. >This is his thread..

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>linda > I fucking new it.

Yeah, like that was a tough one to figure out. Took a Ph.D … in Potty traing. A shame she won’t leave — like she said she would — over and over and over again — especially since she is so CURED. Just a dog to its vomit. Peter —

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I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He suggests that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in men that help or cause depression. I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t want to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted and he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps he won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the level is fine. I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked.

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Joe, would your Pdoc be willing to order the blood work for you?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He suggests > that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in men > that help or cause depression. > I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t want > to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The > next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same > samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted and > he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the > testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps he > won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the level > is fine. > I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I > have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. > Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and > mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone > levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears > that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – > but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked.

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I left a message for her to call.  I hope she will. Since my last message, I called various medical labs around town to see if I could just come in, get some blood drawn, and order specific tests and pay cash.  The answer was, "It has to be ordered by your doctor.".    The game is rigged.  The patient loses. I’m amazed at this stodgy foolishness and arrogance that assumes that any patients wishes must fall within the norm – or else they don’t matter. Medical knowledge must come from a physician only.   I understand that after I get the levels checked, I must interpret them.  For that, I’d gladly request a doctors help.  But, to be dismissed as if I were a child asking about the tooth fairy, is very insulting and frustrating. I am determined to get this level checked and feel confident that the test was actually done, and done right.  I suddenly have a new phobia. DoctorTrustaphobia.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Joe, would your Pdoc be willing to order the blood work for you? > I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He > suggests > that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in men > that help or cause depression. > I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t > want > to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The > next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same > samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted > and > he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the > testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps > he > won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the > level > is fine. > I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I > have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. > Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and > mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone > levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears > that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – > but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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I hope your Pdoc comes thru for you Joe.    I can understand your frustration about your primary care doc.  Mine is totally ignorant when it comes to mental health issues.  Thank Goodness for my Pdoc…..He is awesome! Good luck with those blood tests!      Cin

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I left a message for her to call.  I hope she will. > Since my last message, I called various medical labs around town to see if I > could just come in, get some blood drawn, and order specific tests and pay > cash.  The answer was, "It has to be ordered by your doctor.".    The game > is rigged.  The patient loses. > I’m amazed at this stodgy foolishness and arrogance that assumes that any > patients wishes must fall within the norm – or else they don’t matter. > Medical knowledge must come from a physician only.   I understand that after > I get the levels checked, I must interpret them.  For that, I’d gladly > request a doctors help.  But, to be dismissed as if I were a child asking > about the tooth fairy, is very insulting and frustrating. > I am determined to get this level checked and feel confident that the test > was actually done, and done right.  I suddenly have a new phobia. > DoctorTrustaphobia. > Joe, would your Pdoc be willing to order the blood work for you? > > I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He > suggests > > that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in > men > > that help or cause depression. > > I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t > want > > to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked. The > > next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same > > samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted > and > > he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the > > testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test. Perhaps > he > > won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the > level > > is fine. > > I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want. Now > I > > have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. > > Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones > and > > mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > > depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > > I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources. Hormone > > levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It > appears > > that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > > This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he > says – > > but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<< I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t want to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted and he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps he won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the level is fine. I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked.  >> If you want your testosterone levels checked, you need to go to a urologist. Ive found that urologists also tend to make pretty good GP docs for men, while this is unofficial I think it tends to be true. I have a urologist that did some outpatient surgery on me and he is one of the best doctors I have…he does a good job of treating things from the "male" perspective I think. Urologists will usually check your testosterone levels if you want them to. Its oftentimes urologists who put men on testosterone supplements. GP or family docs usually wont want to test for testosterone levels because they usually are going along with the HMO party line of trying to "keep costs down." It is definitely true that abormally low levels of testosterone can cause depression in men. In fact up at Columbia Psychiatry in the "Brain Behavior Clinic" they even have some clinical trials going on which is using testosterone supplements (anabolic steroids) in refractorily depressed men. One of the trials they use testosterone supplements to augment SSRIs. Anabolic steroids (testosterone supplements) reportedly have very strong antidepressant properties. Personally Id be a little scared to mess with my testosterone levels unless they tested low. If they did test low then hell I would go for it and do the testosterone supplements. Depression in men is an ignored subject in my personal opinion. Because most depression occurs in women, this gets most of the attention. I believe depression in men is a subtype of depression, with men having more irritability and anger than depressed women. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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This is not scientific, just experience but anyway, my father has prostate cancer and one way to keep his PSA level down is to take a drug named Lupron that absolutely stops all testosterone and estrogen production.  It has not made him depressed.  He has been using it for two years now. — Val in Boise

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He suggests > that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in men > that help or cause depression. > I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t want > to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The > next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same > samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted and > he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the > testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps he > won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the level > is fine. > I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I > have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. > Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and > mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone > levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears > that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – > but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and >mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause >depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. >I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone >levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears >that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > My pdoc suspected hormone problems with me so he tested my > testosterone level (I am a female)  it tested out just a tad higher > than normal.  So my pdoc told me to go to my general practitioner and > ask for a referral to a endocrinologically.  My general practitioner > at the hMO would not give me a referral.  He said my problems were all > chemicals in my brian and not hormones…. this was after my > psychiatrist sent me there!  I thought hormones were chemicals > anyway..

I find this hard to believe, what a lousy HMO.  I know testosterone levels are important in female sexual orientation questions, but in other issues like mental illness, rather then mere sexual orientation!  Perhaps you might spend your own money to try to have your hormone level regulated, see if it helps?

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For what it’s worth, the supplement DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) is readily available. It’s the precursor for both testosterone and estrogen. As I believe there are many causative factors which contribute to the symptoms of depression, supplementing with DHEA may or may not help any individual. Anyone can increase their testosterone with 25-50 mg.day DHEA. regards, Larry

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He suggests > that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in men > that help or cause depression. > I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t want > to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The > next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same > samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted and > he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the > testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps he > won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the level > is fine. > I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I > have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. > Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and > mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone > levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears > that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – > but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked.

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I’ve heard various things about DHEA.  I have taken it, but stopped after doing some research.   It appears that it is possible that it can also increase the estrogen levels in men, rather than testosterone. Anyway, I really don’t want to adjust hormone levels unless I know what they are now, AND what they should be.  Then I can at least measure changes over time.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> For what it’s worth, the supplement DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) is readily > available. It’s the precursor for both testosterone and estrogen. As I > believe there are many causative factors which contribute to the symptoms of > depression, supplementing with DHEA may or may not help any individual. > Anyone can increase their testosterone with 25-50 mg.day DHEA. > regards, > Larry > I’ve been reading a book on male depression by Archibald Hart.  He > suggests > that there is often a link between testosterone and estrogen levels in men > that help or cause depression. > I asked my doctor for a blood test for the testosterone, and he didn’t > want > to do it.  But he agreed since I needed cholesterol levels checked.  The > next day I called up to ask him to add an estrogen check on the same > samples, and he refused.  He said it was "a waist of money".  I insisted > and > he still refused.   At this point I’m wondering if he just used the > testosterone check to get me to come in for a cholesterol test.  Perhaps > he > won’t even get testosterone checked, and will simply tell me that the > level > is fine. > I’m a little ticked that he just refuses to do a test that I want.  Now I > have to find a doctor that will do it simply because I want it done. > Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and > mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources.  Hormone > levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears > that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > This doctor obviously expects me to bend over and do everything he says – > but my wishes are completely frivolous.   I guess I’m still ticked.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Is anyone here acquainted with a possible link between these hormones and > >mail depression?  I’ve read that too little testosterone can cause > >depression, and too high estrogen can cause confusion in the mail brain. > >I’ve found similar information on the web from various sources. Hormone > >levels are often checked in women, but seldom checked in men.   It appears > >that "Doctors" simply assume that men don’t need or have hormones? > My pdoc suspected hormone problems with me so he tested my > testosterone level (I am a female)  it tested out just a tad higher > than normal.  So my pdoc told me to go to my general practitioner and > ask for a referral to a endocrinologically.  My general practitioner > at the hMO would not give me a referral.  He said my problems were all > chemicals in my brian and not hormones…. this was after my > psychiatrist sent me there!  I thought hormones were chemicals > anyway.. > I find this hard to believe, what a lousy HMO.  I know testosterone levels are > important in female sexual orientation questions, but in other issues like > mental illness, rather then mere sexual orientation!  Perhaps you might spend > your own money to try to have your hormone level regulated, see if it helps?

I tried calling some labs around town, but they all said that I needed a Doctors order to get a blood test.  One of the ladies I talked to said, "What if everyone could just come in and order a blood test?".   This stupid answer left me with less respect for the medical profession than ever. Medical knowledge is sealed, and as sacred as the Bible used to be in the church.  It is only to be known by the High Priests, aka Doctors. I called my head doctor, and this question prompted a request for an earlier visit that scheduled.   When I agreed, the receptionist had no time slots open.  LOL! Dear Woody Allen,     You are no longer needed.  The world has replaced you with reallity.

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Has anyone ever heard of using Buspar to enhance the effect of prozac which started to poop-out?

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> Has anyone ever heard of using Buspar to enhance the effect of prozac which > started to poop-out?

That’s a new one on me. I’ve heard of using Lithium, Depakote, Lamictal and the like to reactivate pooped-out SSRIs. If your pdoc suggests it, there’s no harm in giving BuSpar a try. It’s pretty benign, and if anxiety is a problem for you it could be a big help.

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My pdoc just started me on provigil for boost of energy to help me not sleep 24/7 like usual.  I did a google search on it, and saw a couple posts about an interaction between it and my current ssri celexa. One post said that they are both metabolized by the same pathway (2c19?) which causes an interaction. Another post said that in clinical trials, those also on celexa did not benefit from the provigil like those on other ssris did. Anyone know if this could be true?

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I took Provigil for a year whilst on Prozac 40mg.  No interaction to speak of–although my liver enzymes became a bit elevated–check yours after being on it for some months. It worked all right for me–but its antisleepiness effects didn’t last very long ( about three hours).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My pdoc just started me on provigil for boost of energy to help me not > sleep 24/7 like usual.  I did a google search on it, and saw a couple > posts about an interaction between it and my current ssri celexa. One > post said that they are both metabolized by the same pathway (2c19?) > which causes an interaction. Another post said that in clinical trials, > those also on celexa did not benefit from the provigil like those on > other ssris did. Anyone know if this could be true?

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