SSRIs

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I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

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> I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Nope. Squiggles (hee hee hee)

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> I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Can’t say that I’ve ever had this problem, but then I couldn’t before Paxil either. Sorry, bad joke. More seriously, "sexual side effects" like this are fairly common on SSRIs — including Paxil — there may be something you can do about this, perhaps some of the men here or your doctor could help. It’s a good sign that you’re interested in doing it though! Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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> Gigco Biloba can help with the Paxil side effect until you can wean yourself off > the paxil

I have no intention of going off Paxil in the near future, unless my doctor decides it’s best to try something else for a while. I have no complaints about Paxil, it doesn’t solve all my problems — but no pill can — and it’s keeping me from killing myself while I work on the problems. I also have no intention of taking herbal supplements — and I think you meant ginko biloba. Besides, I don’t need to ejaculate to feel quite completely satisfied. So follow-up to the poster who needs your advice for a change. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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> I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

I had it, but after discontinuing the paxil it went away, maybe talk to your doc about welbutrin it has low occurence of sexual side effects, btw the babes liked the paxil :-

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LABEL CHANGES: The most recently approved FDA precaution on Paxil recommends close monitoring and gradual, rather than, abrupt discontinuation of the antidepressant. Excerpt from FDA revised label approved on December 14, 2001, "Patients should be monitored for these symptoms when discontinuing treatment, regardless of the indication for which Paxil is being prescribed. A gradual reduction in the dose rather than abrupt cessation is recommended whenever possible." Karen Barth, one of the lead attorneys representing hundreds of victims suffering dependency/withdrawal syndrome from Paxil states, "Our effort to get the Paxil warning label revised to reflect the truth about the withdrawal problems with Paxil began back in August 2000. That is when we joined attorney Don Farber in filing a lawsuit in an effort to force SmithKline Beecham to revise the label for Paxil. Although the language in the revised label, in our view, should be stronger, we feel the new language is a definite step in the right direction and we feel vindicated in our efforts." PAXIL WITHDRAWAL LAWSUIT:      January 25, 2002      FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE      Baum, Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford & Schiavo      12100 Wilshire Blvd., Ste. 950      Los Angeles, CA      Web: www.baumhedlundlaw.com 17 INDIVIDUALS FILE FIRST (NON-CLASS ACTION) LAWSUIT SEEKING DAMAGES AGAINST SMITHKILINE BEECHAM FOR SEVERE WITHDRAWAL REACTIONS FROM THE ANTIDEPRESSANT, PAXIL      Los Angeles, January 25, 2002 – - 17 people who have suffered from severe      withdrawal reactions as a result of taking the antidepressant Paxil, filed      a lawsuit late yesterday in California Superior Court, LA County, against      SmithKline Beecham (SKB). This is the first individual lawsuit (as opposed      to class action) that has been filed against SKB by individuals related      to Paxil’s withdrawal side effects      Class action lawsuits have been cropping up across the country related to      Paxil withdrawal ever since attorneys Karen Barth and Mary Schiavo of Baum,      Hedlund, Aristei, Guilford & Schiavo, based in Los Angeles, California,      and Donald Farber of San Rafael, California, filed their first class action      against the drug maker on August 24, 2001. After filing that lawsuit, the Baum Hedlund and Farber firms were deluged with calls from victims from all over the country. Over 3,000 people contacted Baum Hedlund alone seeking help. The Plaintiffs in this new action come from all walks of life. Of the 17 individually named Plaintiffs, one is a research doctor and another is a pharmacist. The Plaintiffs are individuals who wanted to bring their own individual actions against SKB because of the severity of their withdrawal problems. Most of them continue taking the drug because they have been unable to get off the drug. Some have lost their jobs. Each has experienced similar severe withdrawal reactions and problems such as:        jolting electric "zaps," dizziness, light-headedness, vertigo, in-coordination,        gait disturbances, sweating, extreme nausea, vomiting, high fever, abdominal        discomfort, flu symptoms, anorexia, diarrhea, agitation, tremulousness,        irritability, aggression, sleep disturbance, nightmares, tremor, confusion,        memory and concentration difficulties, lethargy, malaise, weakness, fatigue,        paraesthesias, ataxia, and/or myalgia. Paxil was introduced into the U.S. market on December 29, 1992, and is a well-known antidepressant medication in the same class as Zoloft and Prozac (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or "SSRIs"). Paxil is approved for marketing in the U.S. for conditions such as depression, obsessive compulsive disorder, panic disorder, and "social anxiety disorder" (often described as "shyness"). On December 14, 2001, the FDA granted SKB’s request to be allowed to market Paxil for two new indications, "Generalized Anxiety Disorder" and "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder." However, in addition to the new indications, SKB will be required to provide stronger warnings regarding Paxil’s withdrawal problems. For instance, the new label will include language such as:        "Patients should be monitored for these symptoms [dizziness, sensory        disturbances (e.g., paresthesias such as electric shock sensations), agitation,        anxiety, nausea, and sweating] when discontinuing treatment, regardless        of the indication for which Paxil is being prescribed. A gradual reduction        in the dose rather than abrupt cessation is recommended whenever possible.        If intolerable symptoms occur following a decrease in the dose or upon        discontinuation of treatment, then resuming the previously prescribed        dose may be considered. Subsequently, the physician may continue decreasing        the dose but at a more gradual rate (see DOSAGE and ADMINISTRATION)." Attorney, Karen Barth, stated, "I get outraged every time I see one of SmithKline Beecham’s television commercials which states that Paxil is ‘non-habit-forming.’ SmithKline Beecham walks a fine semantic line and the company knows that this language placates the public concerned with the prospect of taking a drug they might get hooked on. According to the World Health Organization, drug dependence is defined as: ‘a need for repeated doses of the drug to feel good or to avoid feeling bad.’ (WHO, Lexicon of alcohol and drug terms, 1994.) That is exactly what our clients suffer."

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> > Attorney, Karen Barth, stated, "I get outraged every time I see one of > SmithKline Beecham’s television commercials which states that Paxil is > ‘non-habit-forming.’ > So do I get outraged..everytime I hear that commercial…How dare they…say > that!

Paxil isn’t habit-forming; though it does certainly have an effect on me. <snip> >  when I am feeling a certain way… down on myself..  feeling a lot of pain > inside.. I find myself really vexed,  as well,   by this craving for Paxil > to make painful feelings stop,  now even 18 months later..

So when you feel very depressed, you think it might be a good idea to take an anti-depressant so that you won’t feel depressed anymore? Sounds pretty reasonable to me. When I feel very shaky and I know my blood sugar is low, I have a craving to eat something to make that feeling/sensation stop. No matter how many times I’ve tried, or how hard I’ve tried, I haven’t yet been able to give up eating. > can you imagine…having thoughts to take a substance did so many bad things > to you….what else could that possibly be about…excpet a drug > dependency…. > It causes a drug dependency,  and they can play semantics all they want..but > that shit is worse than habit forming….its addicting

Addicting? How? I feel no need to increase the dose constantly. I can stop taking it any time I want to. I find the need to eat regularly much more habit forming and addicting. And all those years my diabetic friend has been using insulin, talk about an addictive and habit forming drug! > only people who know it are people who used it and other psychotropics  and > then stopped ALL psychotropic meds. altogehter I bet… >  people use Paxil..then go on to use something stronger and stronger.  to > make them continue to stop feeling..wouldnt know it..

I feel more like myself and much more normal emotions when I’m taking Paxil. I don’t see where you get this idea of going on to something stronger. > they been insidiously made junkees, by meds they took to help them…not > make them junkies! > Its outrageous! .

Oh, the horrors! > mithKline Beecham walks a fine semantic line and the > company knows that this language placates the public concerned with the > prospect of taking a drug they might get hooked on. According to the World > Health Organization, drug dependence is defined as: ‘a need for repeated > doses of the drug to feel good or to avoid feeling bad.’ (WHO, Lexicon of > alcohol and drug terms, 1994.) That is exactly what our clients suffer."

Well, yes, this is exactly what I have — if I don’t take Paxil or some other anti-depressant then I feel very bad. It’s because I have depression, what an amazing coincidence. By this reasoning and wording, insulin is a dangerously addictive drug for diabetics! Fiona yes, I know I’m talking to a wall here — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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>> > Attorney, Karen Barth, stated, "I get outraged every time I see one of > > SmithKline Beecham’s television commercials which states that Paxil is > > ‘non-habit-forming.’ > So do I get outraged..everytime I hear that commercial…How dare they…say > that! >Paxil isn’t habit-forming; though it does certainly have an effect on >me.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=paxil+addiction&btnG=Google+Search a bare faced liar or selfdeluded? You decide http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/DailyNews/ssri000524.html  Doctors and Patients Unaware of Withdrawal Side Effects Click here to find out more about U.S prescribing patterns for serotonin boosters Prozac, Paxil and Zoloft, and for information about withdrawal symptoms from these drugs. (Pat Wellenbach/AP Photo) By Robin Eisner N E W   Y O R K, May 24

Question:

As any of you males who have been on paxil will have undoubtedly noticed, it brings about real problems with ejaculation. Are there any meds, prescription, herbal or otherwise that can help amend this problem, or at least reduce it?

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Here are the possible and viable solutions to your problem: Methylphenidate

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I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I have experienced a lot more crying lately. Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? Thanks. Joey

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> Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa?

Yes, I had a similar experience to yours.  Celexa seemed to help me for a short while (couple of months or so) and then it seemed not to have any effect (positive or negative) after that.  I started out on 40mg a day and was on 60mg a day when my pdoc switched me to Paxil and Seroquel.  I weigh in at about 275 right now to give you somewhat of an idea of why my doses were what they were.

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I have had the same experience with all SSRIs. I cry constantly, hallucinate, feel paranoid and totally detached from my body. I tried to take Elavil again and had the same problem, so after 10 years of trying meds, I give up. There has to be another way for those of us who can’t tolerate meds.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 > mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take > at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with > depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have > been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was > working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I > have experienced a lot more crying lately. > Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? > Thanks. > Joey

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> I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 > mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take > at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with > depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have > been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was > working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I > have experienced a lot more crying lately. > Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? > Thanks. > Joey

crying isn’t necessarily a good indicator of depression. when i’m deeply depressed, i don’t cry; i’m much too numb. for me, at least, crying is often a sign of recovery. -lisa

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It just made me numb most of the time. I did cry occasionally just becuase it didn’t matter if I cried or not. I’m just trying to get on without which is proberbly a bad idea but I prefer to feel depressed than not to feel …Groundhog

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I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who are on that dose and how you are doing? Thanks, Joey

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I’m taking Celexa 20mg since one month.  I fell better with this med than Paxil and Effexor. I take my med morning.  I have no inconvenient with this. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing?

I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. — David Chamberlain http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain — Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. — A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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my doc had me all the way up to 80,  and i have read after 40 there really isnt much more it can do but i could be wrong, but i had no side effects or relief at that matter. brian s. — Get 5 bucks free for signing up with the internets #1 e-payment service. https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=8YXF6QPBZH46C Check out my tape trading list below. .shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing? > I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice > anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for > my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was > good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. > So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. > — > David Chamberlain > http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain > — > Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening > presents and listen. > — > A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

Joey, I also just started on Celexa. I was using Effexor. The effexor was not working as well any longer and I wanted a change. My pdoc changed me to the Celexa. I’ve been taking it about 3 weeks now. I was very depressed 3 weeks ago. In fact attempted suicide. I didn’t think I’d ever feel better up until about 2 days ago. The medication is starting to kick in and I’m feeling much better. I’m on 30 mg and am grateful that I feel better. There have been many times in my life that I have questioned the "do I want to be on meds?" question. My answer is simple but complex. I want to be able to be "normal" but you know for me that’s not going to happen. It is a sadnes that I grieve over but have come to accept to some degree. I think that this is your question. Am I right? Well, I needed to determine the kind of like I wanted to live and with my depression/panic disorder/ptsd well I don’t function well without medications. So, I decided that rather than feel totally destroyed I take the medications, go to therapy and do the best I can. Your experience may or may not be the same. You have to decide what is right for you. mouse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice >anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for >my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was >good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. >So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. >– >David Chamberlain >http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain >– >Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening >presents and listen. >– >A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

One of my problems is distinguishing between the depression and the anxiety.  Also, when you have been depressed for so long, it is sometimes hard to know what normal is when you have gotten used to the depression.  A good way of explaining this, especially in my case, is that prior to being treated for depression, I had five brain surgeries due to hydrocephalus and an arachnoid cyst on my optic nerve.  The symptoms that I was experiencing as a result of these problems included siezures, headaches, and short-term memory loss with the headaches getting worse.  Well, at different times, I recall going to the doctor and telling him that I had no headaches and was doing fine. However, after the appointment I would tell my parents (This all got diagnosed when I was 17), that I had a headache and didn’t know why I told the doctor otherwise.  What was happening in my case was that as the headaches got worse, my tolerance level for pain got higher and higher, so what used to be a painful headache wasn’t as painful.  I think the same thing has happened with the depression and the anxiety. With the headaches, my doctor had me keep a headache journal to track when I had headaches and how long.  I have been keeping a journal since I have started counseling and started on medication, but I am still struggling with the anxiety and worry. Joey

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS Newsgroups: tnn.test,alt.support.depression X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.vis i.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!op tus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemai l.com.au!not-for-mail This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take it regularly at the same time. As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it will be with you is to try it. Best wishes, Peter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey > From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters > whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take > it regularly at the same time. > As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found > that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the > higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage > I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on > the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals > react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it > will be with you is to try it. > Best wishes, > Peter.

I was prescribed Celexa 8 weeks ago. It is making me feel better than I ever felt. I feel normal. I had been on Paxil for a year, felt worse. I’ve been on Zoloft, Serzone , Prozac, and none made me feel better till Celexor. I take it every night and feel no side effects and no drowsiness at all. I have recently lost my son. Nove 9th he died and I handled it pretty well even though I cry at times. I believe Celexor helped me through it. Peace Joanne

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I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who are on that dose and how you are doing? Thanks, Joey

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I’m taking Celexa 20mg since one month.  I fell better with this med than Paxil and Effexor. I take my med morning.  I have no inconvenient with this. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing?

I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. — David Chamberlain http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain — Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. — A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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my doc had me all the way up to 80,  and i have read after 40 there really isnt much more it can do but i could be wrong, but i had no side effects or relief at that matter. brian s. — Get 5 bucks free for signing up with the internets #1 e-payment service. https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=8YXF6QPBZH46C Check out my tape trading list below. .shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing? > I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice > anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for > my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was > good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. > So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. > — > David Chamberlain > http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain > — > Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening > presents and listen. > — > A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

Joey, I also just started on Celexa. I was using Effexor. The effexor was not working as well any longer and I wanted a change. My pdoc changed me to the Celexa. I’ve been taking it about 3 weeks now. I was very depressed 3 weeks ago. In fact attempted suicide. I didn’t think I’d ever feel better up until about 2 days ago. The medication is starting to kick in and I’m feeling much better. I’m on 30 mg and am grateful that I feel better. There have been many times in my life that I have questioned the "do I want to be on meds?" question. My answer is simple but complex. I want to be able to be "normal" but you know for me that’s not going to happen. It is a sadnes that I grieve over but have come to accept to some degree. I think that this is your question. Am I right? Well, I needed to determine the kind of like I wanted to live and with my depression/panic disorder/ptsd well I don’t function well without medications. So, I decided that rather than feel totally destroyed I take the medications, go to therapy and do the best I can. Your experience may or may not be the same. You have to decide what is right for you. mouse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice >anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for >my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was >good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. >So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. >– >David Chamberlain >http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain >– >Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening >presents and listen. >– >A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

One of my problems is distinguishing between the depression and the anxiety.  Also, when you have been depressed for so long, it is sometimes hard to know what normal is when you have gotten used to the depression.  A good way of explaining this, especially in my case, is that prior to being treated for depression, I had five brain surgeries due to hydrocephalus and an arachnoid cyst on my optic nerve.  The symptoms that I was experiencing as a result of these problems included siezures, headaches, and short-term memory loss with the headaches getting worse.  Well, at different times, I recall going to the doctor and telling him that I had no headaches and was doing fine. However, after the appointment I would tell my parents (This all got diagnosed when I was 17), that I had a headache and didn’t know why I told the doctor otherwise.  What was happening in my case was that as the headaches got worse, my tolerance level for pain got higher and higher, so what used to be a painful headache wasn’t as painful.  I think the same thing has happened with the depression and the anxiety. With the headaches, my doctor had me keep a headache journal to track when I had headaches and how long.  I have been keeping a journal since I have started counseling and started on medication, but I am still struggling with the anxiety and worry. Joey

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i have been on Celexa for about a year. i take 20mg daily.  i take mine before bedtime because it makes me sleepy.  i haven’t had any undesirable side effects, however i have noticed that the longer i have been on it, i have had trouble with muscle aches.  does anyone else?

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS Newsgroups: tnn.test,alt.support.depression X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.vis i.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!op tus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemai l.com.au!not-for-mail This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take it regularly at the same time. As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it will be with you is to try it. Best wishes, Peter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey > From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters > whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take > it regularly at the same time. > As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found > that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the > higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage > I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on > the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals > react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it > will be with you is to try it. > Best wishes, > Peter.

I was prescribed Celexa 8 weeks ago. It is making me feel better than I ever felt. I feel normal. I had been on Paxil for a year, felt worse. I’ve been on Zoloft, Serzone , Prozac, and none made me feel better till Celexor. I take it every night and feel no side effects and no drowsiness at all. I have recently lost my son. Nove 9th he died and I handled it pretty well even though I cry at times. I believe Celexor helped me through it. Peace Joanne

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Hi,    I have recently started taking Anafranil (25 mg) and find it very good, I was on Paxil before and the sexual dysfunction was very bad. However even on Anafranil I still have problems maintaining an erection, is this is known problem, or should I really not be having this problem on such a low dosage. I have been on SSRI for 4 yrs and I think I have forgotten what a normal erection felt like. I would appreciate if anyone else would like to share there experience. I would strongly recommend Anafranil over Paxil for OCD. Anafranil has more unpleasant side effects like headache but they pass, and the beneficiary effects are a lot better than Paxil. MJ

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1.  You’re right that anafranil may be more potent and thus a better serotonin-reuptake inhibitor than Paxil. 2.  I have rarely heard of impotence on Anafranil, and even rarer is a complaint against Anafranil at the low dose that you are taking. 3.  Perhaps you can remedy the situation with medical therapy, and here are some of them: Methylphenidate

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Hello – I’m Peter and I’m new to this newsgroup. I had been on Prozac for 6 years and then it stopped working for me. The doc put me on Effexor, and it worked a treat-all the old anger and anxiety went away and then I began to notice things. I had real trouble reaching orgasm, and when I did the ejaculation and orgasm were separated, which was really weird. My wife thought it was her fault, but I begin to realise it wasn’t. The worst effect by far is when I miss a tablet-that’s right, JUST ONE !! I begin to get confused and my eyes begin to, well, how can I put it, buzz and hurt, as if some extra fluid had just been pumped in. The other day I was driving back from Coventry to Bradford (150 miles) and I began to feel the eyes going, and that’s when I realised I’d forgotten the tablet. Now I know it has a short half life, but this is crazy – how can I ever hope to get off it, as I am trying to do now with the help of therapy. It’s really horrible; some people might say that these are symptoms of my condition reappearing, but I say NO! This never happened before Effexor. Does this ring any bells with anyone? Can anyone say that any of the above has happened to them? Thanks everyone, I know you can ease my mind and I really appreciate you help and input. Bye for now, Peter Finan

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> Paxil and Effexors half life make them the worse antidepressants to stop… > people frequently get horrific withdrawal  especially where they stop > abruptly…  you have to taper off very very gradually..

I’ve been on both at one time or another for prolonged periods of time. I stopped each one of them cold turkey without any noticeable adverse effects. > As people get down to lowest possible dosage of Paxil or Effexor…..some > have used Prozac then,   tapering off that…then as well, ..to keep the > worse of the symptoms of withdrawal at bay…and reported it works to do > that.. > Sexual dysfunction as you reported is Frequent side effect of the SSRI et al

Effexor is not an SSRI, and has notably fewer sexual side effects than the SSRIs. Dave – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> or modern class of Antidepressants.. > Hello – I’m Peter and I’m new to this newsgroup. I had been on Prozac for > 6 > years and then it stopped working for me. The doc put me on Effexor, and > it > worked a treat-all the old anger and anxiety went away and then I began to > notice things. I had real trouble reaching orgasm, and when I did the > ejaculation and orgasm were separated, which was really weird. My wife > thought > it was her fault, but I begin to realise it wasn’t. The worst effect by > far is > when I miss a tablet-that’s right, JUST ONE !! I begin to get confused and > my > eyes begin to, well, how can I put it, buzz and hurt, as if some extra > fluid > had just been pumped in. The other day I was driving back from Coventry to > Bradford (150 miles) and I began to feel the eyes going, and that’s when I > realised I’d forgotten the tablet. Now I know it has a short half life, > but > this is crazy – how can I ever hope to get off it, as I am trying to do > now > with the help of therapy. It’s really horrible; some people might say that > these are symptoms of my condition reappearing, but I say NO! This never > happened before Effexor. Does this ring any bells with anyone? Can anyone > say > that any of the above has happened to them? Thanks everyone, I know you > can > ease my mind and I really appreciate you help and input. > Bye for now, > Peter Finan

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> Now I know it has a short half life, but > this is crazy – how can I ever hope to get off it, as I am trying to do now > with the help of therapy. It’s really horrible; some people might say that > these are symptoms of my condition reappearing, but I say NO! This never > happened before Effexor. Does this ring any bells with anyone? Can anyone say > that any of the above has happened to them? Thanks everyone, I know you can > ease my mind and I really appreciate you help and input.

I took Effexor XR for quite a while, and I don’t recall having any trouble going off it nor having particularly adverse reactions to missing a single dose. It is possible and not necessarily an unpleasant experience. I probably had the sexual dysfunction, but I didn’t get a sufficient response to it to be interested in having sex in the first place. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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Hello group, I got a rather strange call from a (somewhat unreliable, somewhat alarmist) friend at three in the morning last night. He was listening to some radio show (he hadn’t ascertained the qualifications of the guests) in which *all* SSRIs were being denounced as a "total medical disaster," and futhermore, they made the astonishing claim that all SSRIs were being immediately recalled by the FDA. I am on Serzone, which seems to be working well for me. This drug, along with Celexa, Zoloft, Paxil, and a host of other SSRIs (along with Ritalin), were implicated as death-dealing drugs. (Again, I have no idea, nor did my friend seem to have any idea, exactly who was making these claims.) My friend held the phone up to the radio and I listened to a bit of it (admittedly half asleep). I heard a woman saying that depressed people, contrary to what the APA originally believed, have a *preponderence* of seratonin, not an impoverishment. She went on to say (in discussion with another unidentified woman) that SSRIs are causing agressive behavior, psychosis, an increase in depression, and (allegedly), in thousands upon thousands of cases, sudden death. The woman (a "doctor") made it sound as if this was "breaking news," and in my drowsy state I half expected to turn on CNN in the morning and hear, "SSRIs kill thousands, massive recall!" as their top story. So far, I haven’t heard a thing, and there seems to be no big stir on this newsgroup (and surely if there were anything cataclysmic afoot, you folks would be the first to know, right?). So where is this SSRI alert coming from? Have any of you heard anything about it? Many thanks, Heather "Make my make believe believe in me" Buck, Mills, Stipe

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Not true or accurate… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I got a rather strange call from a (somewhat unreliable, somewhat alarmist) > friend at three in the morning last night. He was listening to some radio show

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>Sounds like your friend heard one of these dickhead anti-psychiatry med >activists talking about SSRIs. Perhaps Dr. Tracey Anne Blakely or Peter >Breggin. There are a lot of these anti-psychiatry med assholes running around >nowadays

It was Ann Blake Tracy. She was on the Art Bell talk show Sat. night. She sounds like a real idiot.

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Whatever Ann Blake Tracy may be, it’s worth checking out her web site, especially the first-hand SSRI horror stories that people have mailed in: http://www.drugawareness.org/Archives/Survivors/survivor_index.html. I find it hard to believe that she would have taken the trouble to fabricate all of these. Perhaps extreme adverse reactions are statistically rare, but they are not to be taken lightly.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Sounds like your friend heard one of these dickhead anti-psychiatry med >activists talking about SSRIs. Perhaps Dr. Tracey Anne Blakely or Peter >Breggin. There are a lot of these anti-psychiatry med assholes running around >nowadays > It was Ann Blake Tracy. She was on the Art Bell talk show Sat. night. > She sounds like a real idiot.

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I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

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I dub thee "guinea pig".  If you survive (very likely), please report, and consider making a trip report, along with any adverse effects, if any. thank you, ~Matthias "My mind is glowing…"

| I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM | trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once | every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How | much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the | DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a | SSRI. Has anybody else tried this? |

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>I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM >trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once >every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How >much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the >DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a >SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

First of all, don’t.  Second, if you must, ONLY attempt this at very low doses of DXM.  I don’t know about when you would take the Paxil (never would be good). — Joel Crump

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> I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

   This idea is totally stupid. — http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com. My "Beginner’s Guide to DXM"- Version 2.3, and other DXM related material can be accessed from there. Revised with new section on known recreational DXM use deaths: http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com/dxmdeaths.htm

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> > I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a >  DXM > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? >  How > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take >  the > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it >  as a > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

if you try it, make the DXM a VERY LOW dose.. and i mean DAMN LOW. when i used to take paxil, i would get a huge buzz from two tablespoons of any cough syrup, no lie. i had to stop taking cough drops during school because i would start to get fucked up after about 3 or 4. that is no exageration either.

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>>I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM >trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once >every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How >much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the >DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a >SSRI. Has anybody else tried this? >First of all, don’t.  Second, if you must, ONLY attempt this at very >low doses of DXM.  I don’t know about when you would take the Paxil >(never would be good).

I don’t know what the interaction between Paxil and DXM would be.  I do know from personal experience that DXM doesn’t seem to interact with Wellbutrin or Effexor.  There are so many people using Paxil and DXM and I haven’t read about any bad experiences on alt.drugs.  You get to be a guinea pig and inform us of your experience.

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I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really sucked.

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Hehehehehe!  The best stuff is usually the most dangerous, ‘eh? ~Matthias "My mind is glowing…"

| I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back | to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really | sucked. | |

| > I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter | a DXM | > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this | once | > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative | interactions? How | > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take | the | > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it | as a | > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this? | > | |

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> I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back > to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really > sucked.

    I’ll gather you didn’t read my warnings not to do that? — http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com. My "Beginner’s Guide to DXM"- Version 2.3, and other DXM related material can be accessed from there. Revised with new section on known recreational DXM use deaths: http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com/dxmdeaths.htm

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I honstely don’t remember, this was a few years ago.  My memory’s not too clear (because of the lesions?).  All the doctors told me I was extremely lucky to have lived and recovered from the experience as well as I did.  I think my heart rate was at 170 for about 24 hours and slowly started returning to normal after that.  My eyes were also doing REMs while my lids were open. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->     I’ll gather you didn’t read my warnings not to do that? > — > http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com. My "Beginner’s Guide to DXM"- Version 2.3, > and other DXM related material can be accessed from there. > Revised with new section on known recreational DXM use deaths: > http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com/dxmdeaths.htm

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>I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really >sucked.

How many milligrams of DXM did you consume?

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Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really >sucked. > How many milligrams of DXM did you consume?

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There’s your problem.  Know we don’t know if it was the paxil, or the coricdin that did you in.  Shit, you really are lucky to be alive.  For all we know, the paxil saved your life! ~Matthias "My mind is glowing…"

| Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much. | | |

| > >I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came | back | > >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really | really | > >sucked. | > | > How many milligrams of DXM did you consume? | > | > | > | |

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I imagine it was a little of everything.  Until that point I had done Coicidin many times.  Never a 4P though.  Now that I think about it, there were 2 other occaisions where I did DXM with Paxil.  They were both with pure DXM powder and not Coricidin.  They were all completely fucked up but the Coricidin + Paxil trip was just chaotic as hell and affected my motor control a lot more than the pure DXM.  For example, when I took Coricidin and Paxil, my friend said (before I got escorted to the ER) that my right leg was spasming uncontrollably.  Uh, that’s all I got right now, I’m buzzing pretty hard. > There’s your problem.  Know we don’t know if it was the paxil, or the

coricdin that did you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> in.  Shit, you really are lucky to be alive.  For all we know, the paxil saved your life! > ~Matthias > "My mind is glowing…" > | Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much. > | > | > | > | > >I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came > | back > | > >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really > | really > | > >sucked. > | > > | > How many milligrams of DXM did you consume? > | > > | > > | > > | > |

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>Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much.

I regularly consume 1180mg.  Sometimes I buy 2 8oz bottles of 15mg/ml syrup and consume them for a total of over 1400mg. Sometimes it barely fazes me and other time I trip balls. Stay away from Coricidin!  I have access to pure 15mg/ml syrup and 10mg/ml syrup combined with guanefeisan.

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I had been on Zoloft to treat depression for a long time, many years. However, it interfered with my sleep.  I couldn’t sleep, actually.  So I told my doctor I was going to gradually reduce the dosage & stop taking it to see what happened.  Well, I have been very depressed lately & yesterday I had a panic attack at work.  Today I went back to the doctor & asked if there were any other drugs I could take that wouldn’t interfere with my sleep as much & they gave me Celexa.  Where can I find information about this drug?  Has anyone here taken it & did it make you wide awake in the middle of the night?  Thanks. Kim Miller Bow-Wow: http://members.tripod.com/allaboutdogs/ Christmas Dreams: http://members.tripod.com/joyfulchristmas/ Surf Minnesota: http://www.surfminnesota.net/ Personal Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/ ICQ: 48547727

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Hello Kim. About 18 months ago I was on Celexa. I think out of all the SSRI’s I have tried, and they all make me manic, I slept the best on Celexa. You may be tired for a week or so when first taking it or increasing the dosage, but sleep for me and overall wakefulness was the best with Celexa. Right now I’m on Paxil 20 mg. from 30 mg. Mania is a horrible feeling,although productive but irritable and restless. Also on Paxil 30 mg. I lost my pleasure in a lot of things. People say they lose interest in sex or sustaining a relationship but for me I lost interest in everything but sex. I am just starting to feel like I’m getting back to the things I love, and that’s an anti-depressant in itself. Hope all goes well for you Philip

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> I had been on Zoloft to treat depression for a long time, many years. > However, it interfered with my sleep.  I couldn’t sleep, actually.  So > I told my doctor I was going to gradually reduce the dosage & stop > taking it to see what happened.  Well, I have been very depressed > lately & yesterday I had a panic attack at work.  Today I went back to > the doctor & asked if there were any other drugs I could take that > wouldn’t interfere with my sleep as much & they gave me Celexa.  Where > can I find information about this drug?  Has anyone here taken it & > did it make you wide awake in the middle of the night?  Thanks.

I was on Celexa, and it made me drowsy, so I took it at night because I have insomnia. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip> >wouldn’t interfere with my sleep as much & they gave me Celexa.  Where >can I find information about this drug?  Has anyone here taken it & >did it make you wide awake in the middle of the night?  Thanks. >Kim Miller

Hi Kim, I’ve been on Celexa for about 2 years now and find that it’s an excellent anti-depressent.  I have no trouble sleeping on it, though it does give me really vivid dreams that sometimes wake me up 3 or 4 times in a night, but I have no trouble getting back to sleep. Cheers, Peter.

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Thanks everyone.  I am not doing so good right now & it is nice to find a supportive group like this.

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Yes, Zoloft seemed to help me for a long time except for the sleeping problem.  Thanks for the info.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It appears from your post,  that Zoloft helped you for > many years except for your one problem with insomnia.. > The  idea of  trying Celexa does not seem like a bad > idea.   But no way to tell ahead of time where this > will all end up. > For your situation as described in your post,  where > you were able to take  Zoloft for many years the idea > of trying Celexa as suggested by the Doctor could turn > out OK due to the reduced side effects of the drug. But > no way to know.  If it doesn’t work, you might want to > consider going back to your "old faithful" Zoloft, and > then solve the insomnia problem some other way. > Good luck in your efforts.

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I meant to say I got a prescription for it.  My sister is on it too & so far, she has no trouble sleeping but has tremors.  I don’t know how long she’s been on it, she said not too long.  My doctor listens to me too & if a drug is not helping me, I will speak up.  If a doctor doesn’t listen to me the first time, they will the second time or I’ll find one who will. >BTW  Meant to ask what you meant when you said the >doctor "gave you" Celexa. Did that mean a "free" >sample?. Or did it mean a prescription.? . Was not >aware that  Celexa has free samples so your information >could be of help on that point. >Have been wondering how come it is not prescribed more. >Whether that could be because Celexa is not a US drug, >or because it is not advertised here like the others on >television,   or whether on not the free sample >situation  might be a factor.

Kim Miller Bow-Wow: http://members.tripod.com/allaboutdogs/ Christmas Dreams: http://members.tripod.com/joyfulchristmas/ Surf Minnesota: http://www.surfminnesota.net/ Personal Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/ ICQ: 48547727

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Yes, my doctor had a 7 day package. I guess the pharmaceutical company is on a hot marketing campaign for Celexa.  I am certain that it works well for other people.  My sleep wasn’t disturbed and I am listening to what Zoloft is doing to sleep patterns for others. I haven’t started the Effexor yet. Planning on doing that next Thursday.  Just needed to chill a little more after the Celexa experience. I am so pleased that this doctor listens to me. I would bolt and hide in this deep, dark hole for a while.  Not a pleasant thought, but I insist on having some control over what happens to my brain! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Yes, Zoloft seemed to help me for a long time except for the sleeping >problem.  Thanks for the info. >There has been quite a bit of discussion lately on >Celexa and I felt that one of the things being missed >in this and  other threads,  was the superior side >effects of Celexa. >Though Celexa does have side effects and those side >effects can still be sufficient to be bad news for some >people.   >Sort of  3 situations. >Situation 1 >You like the SSRIs, they help you, get along with >things like Zoloft, and are likely to get along with >something like Celexa "too". >For you the tradeoff is if you stay on Zoloft, you have >a "sure winner:"    However,  you have already decided >that you would like to be off of Zoloft and would like >to try something else. Maybe already off it  in part. >And  have a doctor working with you ,  recommending >Celexa. >There is a  reasonable chance of having Celexa at least >working for the depression , and maybe better for you >due to lower side effects as compared to your Zoloft. >But the entire thing is like a gamble.  Might get >something better, might screw it up. >The important thing is that it should be  "your >decision" based on whatever information you can find >including what the doctor recommends.   >We  can all hope  your new try at  "Celexa" works for >you. >—– >Situation 2 >Another  thread  about Celex , where Marilyn has a >number of really awful side effects.  Both on a prior >attempt at Zoloft, and on a recent excursion into >Celexa.  In that situation she is fortunate to have a >doctor that "listens" to her    In the situation 2 >thread , she and her doctor are about to try Effexor >We can all hope that in her case "getting rid’ of the >Celexa works for her. >Situation 3 >A situation where dictator doctors try to get people to >use Celexa (or Paxil or Zoloft or other SSRIs) , for >"life" .   In spite of some very bad side effects.  And >bad enough to disrupt some  functionally of living. >And bad enough for "some"  people to want to some extra >relapse risk.     >It is too bad, because the "dictator" type of   doctors >end up in a situation of  de facto declaration of >"war",  on their own  patients.  And thereby end up >depriving them of even the medial care they might have >obtained ,  if they did not take the  "order" the >patient to do this or that  approach. >—- >So seems like it is: >Full speed ahead for you on Celexa,  and your possible >new magic bullet. With the doctors help.   And full >speed ahead on "getting rid" of Celexa for Marilyn. >And on to hopes of Effexor as her possible magic >bullet. . With her  doctor’s help.  And for  those few >(hopefully very few), situation 3 people,  it is full >speed ahead getting rid of Celexa – or equivalents. >In some case with the doctor’s help. In some others >without the doctor’s help. >BTW  Meant to ask what you meant when you said the >doctor "gave you" Celexa. Did that mean a "free" >sample?. Or did it mean a prescription.? . Was not >aware that  Celexa has free samples so your information >could be of help on that point. >Have been wondering how come it is not prescribed more. >Whether that could be because Celexa is not a US drug, >or because it is not advertised here like the others on >television,   or whether on not the free sample >situation  might be a factor. >>It appears from your post,  that Zoloft helped you for >>many years except for your one problem with insomnia.. >>The  idea of  trying Celexa does not seem like a bad >>idea.   But no way to tell ahead of time where this >>will all end up. >>For your situation as described in your post,  where >>you were able to take  Zoloft for many years the idea >>of trying Celexa as suggested by the Doctor could turn >>out OK due to the reduced side effects of the drug. But >>no way to know.  If it doesn’t work, you might want to >>consider going back to your "old faithful" Zoloft, and >>then solve the insomnia problem some other way. >>Good luck in your efforts.

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You have probably seen these things before, but just in case not, they may be of help; Eric reminded me that some people are not faring as well as they could on current meds: Some handy guides on depression treatment and meds: http://www.mhsource.com/narsad/anti-d.html http://www.depressiondisorders.com/article1014.html http://www.expressviagra.com/main/paxil.html http://www.nami.org/helpline/women.html http://www.merck.com/pubs/mm_geriatrics/sec4/ch33.htm http://www.depressedchild.org/symptoms.htm http://www.depressiondepot.net/Treatment/Anti-Depressants/anti-depres… http://www.google.com/search?q=SSRIs+clinical+depression+help&hl=en&s… http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section15/chapter189/189b.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->You have probably seen these things before, >but just in case not, they may be of help; >Eric reminded me that some people are not >faring as well as they could on current meds: > You are a smart ass. Take a hike Squiggles. Its already known that these online > NGs tend to attract refractory depressed people. >Some handy guides on depression treatment and meds: >http://www.mhsource.com/narsad/anti-d.html >http://www.depressiondisorders.com/article1014.html >http://www.expressviagra.com/main/paxil.html >http://www.nami.org/helpline/women.html >http://www.merck.com/pubs/mm_geriatrics/sec4/ch33.htm >http://www.depressedchild.org/symptoms.htm >http://www.depressiondepot.net/Treatment/Anti-Depressants/anti-depres… > s.html >http://www.google.com/search?q=SSRIs+clinical+depression+help&hl=en&s… > =90&sa=N >http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section15/chapter189/189b.htm > Go away you are depressing Squiggles. > Eric

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