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I’ve been having bad indigestion since 4 days ago … and I’ve barely been able to sleep since.  The main problem is that every time I drift off to sleep, I feel something coming up which wakes me up.  Last time a few months ago when I fell asleep with this feeling, I woke up having major stomach cramp (like a heart attack) and ended up on the bathroom floor and toilet for hours. I’ve been to the doctor and she’s been giving me Zantac 75mg and when I told her it helped a little bit today she gave me a sample pack of Nexium 40mg to try.  Anyone know how long it takes before it takes effect?  I took one earlier today.  I’m also taking Papaya Enzyme by Swiss on suggestions by people on these newsgroups (I don’t know how much is the limit since it doesn’t say so I hope I don’t overdose). I don’t have any food allergies that I know of and I’m taking the usual precautions (no food 3 hours before sleeping, no spicy, cold, acidic foods, taking in more soft foods and salads, etc.)  I suspect this strange episode might be due to the medication I’m currently taking for low serotonin levels (started 7 days ago).  I was taking these two prescriptions just prior to this indigestion (since then I’ve stopped taking them). 1) Paxil (paroxetine HCL) http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_detail.asp?brand_name_id=374&dowhat=acce… 2) Apo-Alpraz (alprazolam) http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_detail.asp?brand_name_id=335&dowhat=acce… 3) Tylonel  (extra strength 2 tablets 3 times a day, or twice a day with new 8 hour kinds) The last few quick naps I took were in my car, because I don’t have an elivated chair/bed at home.  (and due to a back and neck problem I can’t simply stack pillows).  I don’t know how much longer I can keep this up … now I know what it feels like to be sleep deprived … I’m only 26, female … am I too young to have these problems?

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been having bad indigestion since 4 days ago … and I’ve barely been > able to sleep since.  The main problem is that every time I drift off to > sleep, I feel something coming up which wakes me up.  Last time a few months > ago when I fell asleep with this feeling, I woke up having major stomach > cramp (like a heart attack) and ended up on the bathroom floor and toilet > for hours. > I’ve been to the doctor and she’s been giving me Zantac 75mg and when I told > her it helped a little bit today she gave me a sample pack of Nexium 40mg to > try.  Anyone know how long it takes before it takes effect?  I took one > earlier today.  I’m also taking Papaya Enzyme by Swiss on suggestions by > people on these newsgroups (I don’t know how much is the limit since it > doesn’t say so I hope I don’t overdose). > I don’t have any food allergies that I know of and I’m taking the usual > precautions (no food 3 hours before sleeping, no spicy, cold, acidic foods, > taking in more soft foods and salads, etc.)  I suspect this strange episode > might be due to the medication I’m currently taking for low serotonin levels > (started 7 days ago).  I was taking these two prescriptions just prior to > this indigestion (since then I’ve stopped taking them). > 1) Paxil (paroxetine HCL)

http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_detail.asp?brand_name_id=374&dowhat=acce… > 2) Apo-Alpraz (alprazolam)

http://chealth.canoe.ca/drug_detail.asp?brand_name_id=335&dowhat=acce… > 3) Tylonel  (extra strength 2 tablets 3 times a day, or twice a day with new > 8 hour kinds) > The last few quick naps I took were in my car, because I don’t have an > elivated chair/bed at home.  (and due to a back and neck problem I can’t > simply stack pillows).  I don’t know how much longer I can keep this up … > now I know what it feels like to be sleep deprived … I’m only 26, female > … am I too young to have these problems?

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Thanks for the response.  I don’t know how much longer I can go without sleep  :-(   The problem with me is that I need to be elivated more than 45 degrees in order for it to do anything (as I found out with my car seats). I’m trying to call some friends over to help me lift the mattress, the frame is one piece so the only thing that can be elivated is the mattress. So you mentioned for the Nexium it won’t do anything until the next day? Not even feel slight improvements?  It’s been about 20 hours since I took it.  My stomach was pretty much empty … Do you know if drifting off to sleep (and causing the acid or whatever to come back up) is slowing down my recovery?  It’s hard to stay awake after not sleeping for 5 (now 6) days straight.  :-( – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve been to the doctor and she’s been giving me Zantac 75mg and when I told > her it helped a little bit today she gave me a sample pack of Nexium 40mg to > try.  Anyone know how long it takes before it takes effect? > Proton pump inhibitors like Nexium work best if taken in the morning on > an empty stomach; then eat something 20-30 min. afterward. They will > not work well if taken episodically, as one might an H2 blocker such as > Zantac. They (Nexium and Zantac) can be used in combination. Symptoms > are usually improved after the first day. > I’m also taking Papaya Enzyme by Swiss on suggestions by > people on these newsgroups (I don’t know how much is the limit since it > doesn’t say so I hope I don’t overdose). > I would suggest stopping that, and any other potentially offending OTC > medications. > I’m taking the usual precautions (no food 3 hours before sleeping > More like 4 hours. > I suspect this strange episode > might be due to the medication I’m currently taking for low serotonin levels > (started 7 days ago). > Possibly. SSRIs can cause dyspepsia, like most any medication. Of > course, so can an untreated mood disorder, so you should definitely let > your doctor know you’ve stopped your meds if you haven’t already done > so. > The last few quick naps I took were in my car, because I don’t have an > elivated chair/bed at home.  (and due to a back and neck problem I can’t > simply stack pillows). > Try propping the legs of your bed’s headboard up on short (3-4") blocks > (old hardback books can work) to raise the head of the bed; this can > help with nighttime symptoms. Good luck.

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I’m taking two Wellbutrin and one Prozac (20 mg.) each day.  Is there any reason he would have me taking them in combo?  What side effects can I expect?  Thanks for any help. Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com – Still Only $9.95 – http://www.uncensored-news.com       <><><><><><><>   The Worlds Uncensored News Source   <><><><><><><><>

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> I’m taking two Wellbutrin and one Prozac (20 mg.) each day.  Is there > any reason he would have me taking them in combo?  What side effects > can I expect?  Thanks for any help.

One reason is that Prozac can have sexual side effects and Wellbutrin can help to counter that. Bruce.

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Don’t know why for sure, but since both work on different neurotransmitters you might get more benefit.  I was on Paxil and later Zoloft (both in the same class as Prozac) and thought it was a good combo.  Also Wellbutrin helped with feeling tired.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m taking two Wellbutrin and one Prozac (20 mg.) each day.  Is there > any reason he would have me taking them in combo?  What side effects > can I expect?  Thanks for any help. > One reason is that Prozac can have sexual side effects and Wellbutrin can > help to counter that. > Bruce.

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>I’m taking two Wellbutrin and one Prozac (20 mg.) each day.  Is there >any reason he would have me taking them in combo?  What side effects >can I expect?  Thanks for any help.

It’s not entirely unreasonable. While I’m no fan of fluoxetine (Prozac), it does have benefits for many people and has been used with bupropion (Wellbutrin) for hard to treat cases. I’m currently on citalopram (Celexa) 20mg tid, bupropion (Wellbutrin) SR 150mg tid, as well as mood stabilisers. I haven’t had any problems with my med combinations, although like the saying goes, what works for me might not work for you. Darren.

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>I’m taking two Wellbutrin and one Prozac (20 mg.) each day.  Is there >any reason he would have me taking them in combo?

SBN, I think the best person to ask is your  doctor.  The responses have all seemed reasonable, but no one here is a mind reader.  Only your doc knows why he prescribed it.  And it is always good to ask a doc, any doc, why they are prescribing something – what is it supposed to do; how long is going to take before you see an effect; any side effects you should look for and which ones should be contact him about immediately and which ones can hold off until the next visit; etc. Good luck, Cathy Postcard Pals: http://www.geocities.com/mensan_Cathy Affective Friends: http://www.geocities.com/postcard_Cathy Kutsher’s Camp Anawana: http://www.geocities.com/kutsherscampanawana Hewlett High School: http://www.geocities.com/hewlettalumni

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I know I’m new here and already posting too many questions but I’m very bothered by what I "really need", so please bear with me and help me find the most possible solution.     OK, I have heard from a lot of people that Paxil does in fact work very well but causes fatigue and sexual side effects (at least in men) regardless of the duration you’ve been taking it. My biggest side effect problem now is the sexual because of the almost impossibility of gaining an orgasm. It is like an act of congress to concentrate hard enough to climax on this stuff. My sexual desire however isn’t being affected detrimentally yet. And the fatigue is another big problem.     On valium, I figured I could just take it when a certain situation is upcoming and be relaxed for that situation. This way (it seems to me) I wouldn’t have the side effects to deal with that Paxil brings. I truly want to be happy and maybe I will, in fact, simply have to sacrifice bad orgasms, faitgue and nausea with ultimate happiness. Please help me if any of you have any suggestions for I am listening wholeheartedly. Thank You.

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SSRIs commonly decrease sexual desire and often cause impotence in men.  Ask your doc if he can prescribe something along with the Paxil to get you going again.   It is a trade-off.   Jon – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I truly want to be happy and maybe I will, in fact, simply have to >sacrifice bad orgasms, faitgue and nausea with ultimate happiness. >Please help me if any of you have any suggestions for I am listening >wholeheartedly. Thank You.

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Pill abusers are more often female while opiate users are more likely to be male. GPs are all familiar with the extremes: ‘morbid’ abusers are usually younger patients who may be using other drugs as well. They often take far higher than therapeutic doses. At the other extreme is an older patient who is taking therapeutic or slightly higher doses of benzodiazepines with or without alcohol. There is also a grey area in between. We now know that patients in both groups are in danger of serious complications and hence may need intervention.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know I’m new here and already posting too many questions but I’m very > bothered by what I "really need", so please bear with me and help me > find the most possible solution. >     OK, I have heard from a lot of people that Paxil does in fact work > very well but causes fatigue and sexual side effects (at least in men) > regardless of the duration you’ve been taking it. My biggest side effect > problem now is the sexual because of the almost impossibility of gaining > an orgasm. It is like an act of congress to concentrate hard enough to > climax on this stuff. My sexual desire however isn’t being affected > detrimentally yet. And the fatigue is another big problem. >     On valium, I figured I could just take it when a certain situation > is upcoming and be relaxed for that situation. This way (it seems to me) > I wouldn’t have the side effects to deal with that Paxil brings. > I truly want to be happy and maybe I will, in fact, simply have to > sacrifice bad orgasms, faitgue and nausea with ultimate happiness. > Please help me if any of you have any suggestions for I am listening > wholeheartedly. Thank You.

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As with any prescription medication, Paxil may cause side effects in some people. These are usually mild and temporary. A common side effect is nausea, which may be alleviated by taking Paxil with food. Other side effects might include asthenia (lack or loss of strength), sweating, decreased appetite, somnolence (sleepiness), dizziness, insomnia, tremor, nervousness and sexual side effects. If you experience any side effects, be sure to report them to your doctor.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know I’m new here and already posting too many questions but I’m very > bothered by what I "really need", so please bear with me and help me > find the most possible solution. >     OK, I have heard from a lot of people that Paxil does in fact work > very well but causes fatigue and sexual side effects (at least in men) > regardless of the duration you’ve been taking it. My biggest side effect > problem now is the sexual because of the almost impossibility of gaining > an orgasm. It is like an act of congress to concentrate hard enough to > climax on this stuff. My sexual desire however isn’t being affected > detrimentally yet. And the fatigue is another big problem. >     On valium, I figured I could just take it when a certain situation > is upcoming and be relaxed for that situation. This way (it seems to me) > I wouldn’t have the side effects to deal with that Paxil brings. > I truly want to be happy and maybe I will, in fact, simply have to > sacrifice bad orgasms, faitgue and nausea with ultimate happiness. > Please help me if any of you have any suggestions for I am listening > wholeheartedly. Thank You.

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I just wanted to ask everyone about how long does it take for the Paxil to start working for a person to notice a small decrease in anxiety? I’m now on my 9th day and the doctor told me that I will start seeing a difference in 2 weeks and I was just wondering if anyone from the group has taken it before and can give me an estimation?     Also, when it does start working, is it like a life changing feeling… i.e.: No more fear of getting things done in front of strangers? Thanks.

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It does took just over 2 weeks for me and then it got better. After that it WAS a life changing experience. I never regretted taking it even though I have changed meds since then. I went from terrified of doing much except for being quiet and staying at home to being quite social and having friends. I even got my eyebrow and tongue pierced…..which I had been wanting to do for a long time but was too shy and socially withdrawn to do. wreck

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just wanted to ask everyone about how long does it take for the Paxil to > start working for a person to notice a small decrease in anxiety? I’m now on > my 9th day and the doctor told me that I will start seeing a difference in 2 > weeks and I was just wondering if anyone from the group has taken it before > and can give me an estimation? >     Also, when it does start working, is it like a life changing feeling… > i.e.: No more fear of getting things done in front of strangers? Thanks.

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About 2 or 3 weeks for me too.  I don’t know if it will absolutely remove that fear you mentioned, but it might minimize it a bit.  For me, it basically "took the edge off" of things. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I just wanted to ask everyone about how long does it take for the > Paxil to start working for a person to notice a small decrease in > anxiety? I’m now on my 9th day and the doctor told me that I will > start seeing a difference in 2 weeks and I was just wondering if > anyone from the group has taken it before and can give me an > estimation?     Also, when it does start working, is it like a life > changing feeling… i.e.: No more fear of getting things done in > front of strangers? Thanks.

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Paxil Causes Withdrawal in Infants Short-Term Symptoms Are Intense, Require Hospitalization By   Jeanie Davis   WebMD Medical News  Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD May 6, 2002 — Women taking the antidepressant Paxil should know this: If they get pregnant, their baby could go through a withdrawal period right after birth — one that causes respiratory problems and hospitalization for up to two weeks. However, researchers say, there don’t seem to be any long-term negative effects on the infant. Paxil is one of the antidepressants known as SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) and is commonly prescribed for depression, anxiety, and panic disorder. "However, Paxil is a little bit different from the other SSRIs … in adults, it has higher rates of discontinuation syndrome — problems when people abruptly stop taking the drug — like nervousness, sleep problems, sweating," says Gideon Koren, MD, professor of pediatrics, pharmacology, and medicine and medical genetics at the University of Toronto. Koren’s previous studies and others "have shown that SSRIs are safe in pregnancy, that they do not cause malformations in the fetus," he tells WebMD. His current study focuses on the effects of Paxil on the newborn infant — whether a baby exposed to Paxil throughout the mother’s pregnancy experiences any withdrawal symptoms. He presented his paper today at the annual meeting of the Pediatric Academic Societies in Baltimore. The study involved 55 women who took Paxil throughout their pregnancies, 27 women who stopped taking Paxil after the second trimester, and 27 women who took other drugs considered not to cause birth defects. Twelve of the babies exposed to Paxil through the third trimester had complications that lasted one to two weeks and required hospitalization. The problems: respiratory distress in nine infants, low blood sugar in two infants, and jaundice in one. "But the good news is, [the complications] were short term," Koren tells WebMD. "None of these babies had long-term adverse effects from the Paxil." In the comparison group, two infants exposed to Paxil in the first and second trimesters had respiratory distress and a complication in which the infant breathes in its own feces while still in the womb. A third infant who was not exposed to Paxil was born with jaundice. In the third trimester-exposed group, 36 women breastfed and continued taking Paxil after delivery. Eight women reported symptoms in their babies including difficulties with alertness, constipation, sleepiness, and irritability, but the majority of women reported no such symptoms. In the comparison group, 44 babies were breastfed and none of the mothers reported symptoms. "Breast milk may have a protective effect," says Koren. "If mom took the drug through pregnancy and she continues through breastfeeding, the baby is supplemented with lower levels of the drug and may be protected from these effects — gradually weaned off the drug."

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Paxil Causes Withdrawal in Infants Short-Term Symptoms Are Intense, Require Hospitalization By   Jeanie Davis   WebMD Medical News  Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD May 6, 2002 — Women taking the antidepressant Paxil should know this: If they get pregnant, their baby could go through a withdrawal period right after birth — one that causes respiratory problems and hospitalization for up to two weeks. However, researchers say, there don’t seem to be any long-term negative effects on the infant. Paxil is one of the antidepressants known as SSRIs (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors) and is commonly prescribed for depression, anxiety, and panic disorder. "However, Paxil is a little bit different from the other SSRIs … in adults, it has higher rates of discontinuation syndrome — problems when people abruptly stop taking the drug — like nervousness, sleep problems, sweating," says Gideon Koren, MD, professor of pediatrics, pharmacology, and medicine and medical genetics at the University of Toronto. Koren’s previous studies and others "have shown that SSRIs are safe in pregnancy, that they do not cause malformations in the fetus," he tells WebMD. His current study focuses on the effects of Paxil on the newborn infant — whether a baby exposed to Paxil throughout the mother’s pregnancy experiences any withdrawal symptoms. He presented his paper today at the annual meeting of the Pediatric Academic Societies in Baltimore. The study involved 55 women who took Paxil throughout their pregnancies, 27 women who stopped taking Paxil after the second trimester, and 27 women who took other drugs considered not to cause birth defects. Twelve of the babies exposed to Paxil through the third trimester had complications that lasted one to two weeks and required hospitalization. The problems: respiratory distress in nine infants, low blood sugar in two infants, and jaundice in one. "But the good news is, [the complications] were short term," Koren tells WebMD. "None of these babies had long-term adverse effects from the Paxil." In the comparison group, two infants exposed to Paxil in the first and second trimesters had respiratory distress and a complication in which the infant breathes in its own feces while still in the womb. A third infant who was not exposed to Paxil was born with jaundice. In the third trimester-exposed group, 36 women breastfed and continued taking Paxil after delivery. Eight women reported symptoms in their babies including difficulties with alertness, constipation, sleepiness, and irritability, but the majority of women reported no such symptoms. In the comparison group, 44 babies were breastfed and none of the mothers reported symptoms. "Breast milk may have a protective effect," says Koren. "If mom took the drug through pregnancy and she continues through breastfeeding, the baby is supplemented with lower levels of the drug and may be protected from these effects — gradually weaned off the drug."

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typed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >When I took Paxil, my suicide ideas disappeared. >> the placebo effect >Does it matter why?  The point is it saved his life. > Prove that he would have killed himself without it?

I have tried to kill myself several times.  I took anti-depressants (zoloft) and my urge to kill myself…died. Admittadly, what works for one, doesn’t necessarily work for all.  They worked for me and many others where other methods have failed. > A sugar pill would have been cheaper and have less long term side > effects..

There were many things that were done to try and make me happy, but ultimately none worked. > But you’re a drug company shill hired by Eli Lilly to post on ASDM.

Why am I a drug company shill?  Who’s Eli Lilly?  I’m posting from asad not asdm. —- —–BEGIN PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—–     P+++>++++c–>*P6 >?R >++M+>++O++MA+E PU BD++C++D++S++X WP MO PP n+CO?PO-o+G+A-OLC+OLCC+OLJ+OLP–OLR–OL CO–OLS–OLL–OLA–Ee Ev-Eon+Eot!Eob Eoa!uL++>+++uB!uS!uH!uo!w—m!osA!osBE! ——END PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—— elizabeth at psy dox dot com

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> >When I took Paxil, my suicide ideas disappeared. > the placebo effect

Does it matter why?  The point is it saved his life. —- —–BEGIN PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—–     P+++>++++c–>*P6 >?R >++M+>++O++MA+E PU BD++C++D++S++X WP MO PP n+CO?PO-o+G+A-OLC+OLCC+OLJ+OLP–OLR–OL CO–OLS–OLL–OLA–Ee Ev-Eon+Eot!Eob Eoa!uL++>+++uB!uS!uH!uo!w—m!osA!osBE! ——END PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—— elizabeth at psy dox dot com

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> I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > Berty

You are boring B

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> I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. > And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone.

This is what is happening to me. I think that it works B

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> yes but you have not had an orgasim in three years..

not true!!! I had one three days ago! I have to say, maybe efexor is helping me to have back a normal sex life. B

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> Hi I am new to this group, just got on it yesterday, and I hope some- > one responds to my posts.  I’ve never actually even talked to another > bipolar person believe it or not because I’ve been such a homebody since > it started screwing everything up around age 20 (well I’ve had the > symptoms all my life but when you hit the real world….you might

know…)…. I am sorry, I am not a bipolar person so I can’t answer you. I am just a chronical depressed – …- The important thing is that you found the right medication, I am still researching the best love B

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When I took Paxil, my suicide ideas disappeared.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. > And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone. > well stop xposting to asdt! > > > EFEXOR > > >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > > > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side > > >  effects. > > > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months > on > the > > >  drug, I stuck a > > > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I > would > not > > >  wake up and get > > > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home > dejected > > > and angry. > > > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that > maybe > > > your problem is deeper . > > > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you > need > > > friends more than a medicine. > > > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > > > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > > > whith efexor you sleep a lot > > > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > > > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > > > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. > Dont > > > blame any medicine or whatever… > > > I feel fantastic, in control and > > > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. > The > only > > >  thing I can > > > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My > suicide > > >  attempts were > > > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all > accounts > I > > >  should be dead. If > > > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it > would > > >  not be from > > > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > > > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I > exist > > > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, > but > > > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you > from > > > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > > > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > > > take care > > > love > > > B > > > > — > > > > Psychiatry is to Science > > > > as Astrology is to Astronomy > > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > > Berty

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Hi I am new to this group, just got on it yesterday, and I hope some- one responds to my posts.  I’ve never actually even talked to another bipolar person believe it or not because I’ve been such a homebody since it started screwing everything up around age 20 (well I’ve had the symptoms all my life but when you hit the real world….you might know…) Anyway I just want to say that I am allergic to all those SSRIs too.  I posted this yesterday.  They all make me feel much, much worse.  Zoloft led to my only overdose (no one pumped my stomach because I didn’t tell anyone it was a strange 3 days.)   Did you all know that suicide is listed as an effect of these drugs? You can read it on many websites and even in the small print on the folded pamphlet included with your Dr’s samples of the drug.  I also read the pamphlet on Zyprexa, and it says suicide can be a rare effect of that too. I know Zyprexa has antihistamine in it, the same thing that makes you tired in benadryl or sleeping pills, and antihistamine also makes me very depressed. I have noticed the little tendancies on the few occasions I was on Zyprex for it being impossible to sleep. They don’t warn you.  I noticed SSRIs are the first thing slapped down as Rx EVERY TIME I’ve seen a different doctor.  thankfully now I have one and we have found the right medications.  Without them I feel like killing myself too. Though I would never do it.  I know its stupid to do.  But it still sucks when life feels so bad you just want to die all the time, except from September to March.  I have a breakdown every year when it turns from hot to cold or back, like clockwork.  anyone else have that?  I always go in the hospital.   I asked this yesterday too.  Don’t bipolars have Excess serotonin, anyway? Why do they put us on ssris, then? I also read some theory that decreasing serotonin is the way out of depresion, that paxil etc works by bombarding receptors to make them less sensitive to serotonin.  that would make sense.   just what is really chemically different about the bipolar brain?  does anyone know?  I only get 30 minutes with my dr and dont’ see a shrink.  I have many questions and have done a lot of reading.  I wish I was smart enough to figure out how to fix it too.  the doctors only have half the info, and we have the other half.  they don’t have the delusions, mania, and depression.  they dont take the Rxs they prescribe.  They only know half. We should pool our info so we can get out of this predicament. I hate it. Love yall, someone please write to me.

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Hehe, actually, effexor has given me MORE INTENSE orgasms No problems with orgasms or getting my dick up. I’m 22 years old and I’ve been on effexor for about 7 months I think. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> yes but you have not had an orgasim in three years.. >I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. >And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone. >> well stop xposting to asdt! >> > > EFEXOR >> > >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for >> > > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side >> > >  effects. >> > > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months >on >> the >> > >  drug, I stuck a >> > > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I >would >> not >> > >  wake up and get >> > > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home >> dejected >> > > and angry. >> > > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that >maybe >> > > your problem is deeper . >> > > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you >need >> > > friends more than a medicine. >> > > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. >> > > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, >> > > whith efexor you sleep a lot >> > > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and >> > > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. >> > > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. >> Dont >> > > blame any medicine or whatever… >> > > I feel fantastic, in control and >> > > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. >The >> only >> > >  thing I can >> > > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My >> suicide >> > >  attempts were >> > > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all >accounts >> I >> > >  should be dead. If >> > > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it >> would >> > >  not be from >> > > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. >> > > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I >> exist >> > > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, >but >> > > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you >from >> > > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting >> > > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. >> > > take care >> > > love >> > > B >> > > > — >> > > > Psychiatry is to Science >> > > > as Astrology is to Astronomy >> > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups >> > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. >> > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? >> > Berty > — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

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I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well stop xposting to asdt! > > EFEXOR > >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side > >  effects. > > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on > the > >  drug, I stuck a > > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would > not > >  wake up and get > > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home > dejected > > and angry. > > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe > > your problem is deeper . > > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need > > friends more than a medicine. > > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > > whith efexor you sleep a lot > > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. > Dont > > blame any medicine or whatever… > > I feel fantastic, in control and > > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The > only > >  thing I can > > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My > suicide > >  attempts were > > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts > I > >  should be dead. If > > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it > would > >  not be from > > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I > exist > > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but > > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from > > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > > take care > > love > > B > > > — > > > Psychiatry is to Science > > > as Astrology is to Astronomy > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > Berty

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well stop xposting to asdt!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> EFEXOR >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side >  effects. > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on the >  drug, I stuck a > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would not >  wake up and get > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home dejected > and angry. > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe > your problem is deeper . > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need > friends more than a medicine. > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > whith efexor you sleep a lot > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. Dont > blame any medicine or whatever… > I feel fantastic, in control and > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The only >  thing I can > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My suicide >  attempts were > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts I >  should be dead. If > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it would >  not be from > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I exist > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > take care > love > B > > — > > Psychiatry is to Science > > as Astrology is to Astronomy > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > Berty

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EFEXOR   In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side effects. > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on the drug, I stuck a > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would not wake up and get > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home dejected

and angry. Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe your problem is deeper . You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need friends more than a medicine. Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night,

whith efexor you sleep a lot Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life.

I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. Dont blame any medicine or whatever… I feel fantastic, in control and > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The only thing I can > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My suicide attempts were > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts I should be dead. If > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it would not be from > suicide, it would have been from Effexor.

I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I exist and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. take care love B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > EFEXOR >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side >  effects. > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on the >  drug, I stuck a > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would not >  wake up and get > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home dejected > and angry. > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe > your problem is deeper . > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need > friends more than a medicine. > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > whith efexor you sleep a lot > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. Dont > blame any medicine or whatever… > I feel fantastic, in control and > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The only >  thing I can > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My suicide >  attempts were > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts I >  should be dead. If > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it would >  not be from > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I exist > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > take care > love > B > — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? Berty

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> >When I took Paxil, my suicide ideas disappeared. > the placebo effect

Does it matter why?  The point is it saved his life. —- —–BEGIN PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—–     P+++>++++c–>*P6 >?R >++M+>++O++MA+E PU BD++C++D++S++X WP MO PP n+CO?PO-o+G+A-OLC+OLCC+OLJ+OLP–OLR–OL CO–OLS–OLL–OLA–Ee Ev-Eon+Eot!Eob Eoa!uL++>+++uB!uS!uH!uo!w—m!osA!osBE! ——END PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—— elizabeth at psy dox dot com

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typed: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >When I took Paxil, my suicide ideas disappeared. >> the placebo effect >Does it matter why?  The point is it saved his life. > Prove that he would have killed himself without it?

I have tried to kill myself several times.  I took anti-depressants (zoloft) and my urge to kill myself…died. Admittadly, what works for one, doesn’t necessarily work for all.  They worked for me and many others where other methods have failed. > A sugar pill would have been cheaper and have less long term side > effects..

There were many things that were done to try and make me happy, but ultimately none worked. > But you’re a drug company shill hired by Eli Lilly to post on ASDM.

Why am I a drug company shill?  Who’s Eli Lilly?  I’m posting from asad not asdm. —- —–BEGIN PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—–     P+++>++++c–>*P6 >?R >++M+>++O++MA+E PU BD++C++D++S++X WP MO PP n+CO?PO-o+G+A-OLC+OLCC+OLJ+OLP–OLR–OL CO–OLS–OLL–OLA–Ee Ev-Eon+Eot!Eob Eoa!uL++>+++uB!uS!uH!uo!w—m!osA!osBE! ——END PERL GEEK CODE BLOCK—— elizabeth at psy dox dot com

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When I took Paxil, my suicide ideas disappeared.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. > And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone. > well stop xposting to asdt! > > > EFEXOR > > >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > > > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side > > >  effects. > > > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months > on > the > > >  drug, I stuck a > > > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I > would > not > > >  wake up and get > > > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home > dejected > > > and angry. > > > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that > maybe > > > your problem is deeper . > > > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you > need > > > friends more than a medicine. > > > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > > > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > > > whith efexor you sleep a lot > > > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > > > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > > > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. > Dont > > > blame any medicine or whatever… > > > I feel fantastic, in control and > > > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. > The > only > > >  thing I can > > > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My > suicide > > >  attempts were > > > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all > accounts > I > > >  should be dead. If > > > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it > would > > >  not be from > > > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > > > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I > exist > > > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, > but > > > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you > from > > > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > > > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > > > take care > > > love > > > B > > > > — > > > > Psychiatry is to Science > > > > as Astrology is to Astronomy > > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > > Berty

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> yes but you have not had an orgasim in three years..

not true!!! I had one three days ago! I have to say, maybe efexor is helping me to have back a normal sex life. B

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> Hi I am new to this group, just got on it yesterday, and I hope some- > one responds to my posts.  I’ve never actually even talked to another > bipolar person believe it or not because I’ve been such a homebody since > it started screwing everything up around age 20 (well I’ve had the > symptoms all my life but when you hit the real world….you might

know…)…. I am sorry, I am not a bipolar person so I can’t answer you. I am just a chronical depressed – …- The important thing is that you found the right medication, I am still researching the best love B

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> I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > Berty

You are boring B

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> I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. > And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone.

This is what is happening to me. I think that it works B

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> I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. > And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone.

I agree with you, Dobei, I find Efexor good. I use to be on surmontil for a year and it didn’t do anything at all for my depression. B

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Hi I am new to this group, just got on it yesterday, and I hope some- one responds to my posts.  I’ve never actually even talked to another bipolar person believe it or not because I’ve been such a homebody since it started screwing everything up around age 20 (well I’ve had the symptoms all my life but when you hit the real world….you might know…) Anyway I just want to say that I am allergic to all those SSRIs too.  I posted this yesterday.  They all make me feel much, much worse.  Zoloft led to my only overdose (no one pumped my stomach because I didn’t tell anyone it was a strange 3 days.)   Did you all know that suicide is listed as an effect of these drugs? You can read it on many websites and even in the small print on the folded pamphlet included with your Dr’s samples of the drug.  I also read the pamphlet on Zyprexa, and it says suicide can be a rare effect of that too. I know Zyprexa has antihistamine in it, the same thing that makes you tired in benadryl or sleeping pills, and antihistamine also makes me very depressed. I have noticed the little tendancies on the few occasions I was on Zyprex for it being impossible to sleep. They don’t warn you.  I noticed SSRIs are the first thing slapped down as Rx EVERY TIME I’ve seen a different doctor.  thankfully now I have one and we have found the right medications.  Without them I feel like killing myself too. Though I would never do it.  I know its stupid to do.  But it still sucks when life feels so bad you just want to die all the time, except from September to March.  I have a breakdown every year when it turns from hot to cold or back, like clockwork.  anyone else have that?  I always go in the hospital.   I asked this yesterday too.  Don’t bipolars have Excess serotonin, anyway? Why do they put us on ssris, then? I also read some theory that decreasing serotonin is the way out of depresion, that paxil etc works by bombarding receptors to make them less sensitive to serotonin.  that would make sense.   just what is really chemically different about the bipolar brain?  does anyone know?  I only get 30 minutes with my dr and dont’ see a shrink.  I have many questions and have done a lot of reading.  I wish I was smart enough to figure out how to fix it too.  the doctors only have half the info, and we have the other half.  they don’t have the delusions, mania, and depression.  they dont take the Rxs they prescribe.  They only know half. We should pool our info so we can get out of this predicament. I hate it. Love yall, someone please write to me.

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Hehe, actually, effexor has given me MORE INTENSE orgasms No problems with orgasms or getting my dick up. I’m 22 years old and I’ve been on effexor for about 7 months I think. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> yes but you have not had an orgasim in three years.. >I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. >And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone. >> well stop xposting to asdt! >> > > EFEXOR >> > >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for >> > > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side >> > >  effects. >> > > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months >on >> the >> > >  drug, I stuck a >> > > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I >would >> not >> > >  wake up and get >> > > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home >> dejected >> > > and angry. >> > > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that >maybe >> > > your problem is deeper . >> > > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you >need >> > > friends more than a medicine. >> > > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. >> > > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, >> > > whith efexor you sleep a lot >> > > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and >> > > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. >> > > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. >> Dont >> > > blame any medicine or whatever… >> > > I feel fantastic, in control and >> > > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. >The >> only >> > >  thing I can >> > > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My >> suicide >> > >  attempts were >> > > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all >accounts >> I >> > >  should be dead. If >> > > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it >> would >> > >  not be from >> > > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. >> > > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I >> exist >> > > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, >but >> > > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you >from >> > > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting >> > > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. >> > > take care >> > > love >> > > B >> > > > — >> > > > Psychiatry is to Science >> > > > as Astrology is to Astronomy >> > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups >> > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. >> > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? >> > Berty > — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

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well stop xposting to asdt!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> EFEXOR >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side >  effects. > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on the >  drug, I stuck a > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would not >  wake up and get > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home dejected > and angry. > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe > your problem is deeper . > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need > friends more than a medicine. > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > whith efexor you sleep a lot > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. Dont > blame any medicine or whatever… > I feel fantastic, in control and > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The only >  thing I can > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My suicide >  attempts were > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts I >  should be dead. If > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it would >  not be from > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I exist > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > take care > love > B > > — > > Psychiatry is to Science > > as Astrology is to Astronomy > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > Berty

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I’m on effexor with no side effects whatsoever. And no suicideal thoughts. And I have a better relationship to my friends. My depression is gone.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> well stop xposting to asdt! > > EFEXOR > >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > > > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side > >  effects. > > > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on > the > >  drug, I stuck a > > > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would > not > >  wake up and get > > > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home > dejected > > and angry. > > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe > > your problem is deeper . > > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need > > friends more than a medicine. > > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > > > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > > whith efexor you sleep a lot > > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > > > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. > Dont > > blame any medicine or whatever… > > I feel fantastic, in control and > > > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The > only > >  thing I can > > > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My > suicide > >  attempts were > > > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts > I > >  should be dead. If > > > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it > would > >  not be from > > > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I > exist > > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but > > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from > > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > > take care > > love > > B > > > — > > > Psychiatry is to Science > > > as Astrology is to Astronomy > I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups > was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. > Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? > Berty

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > EFEXOR >  In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side >  effects. > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on the >  drug, I stuck a > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would not >  wake up and get > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home dejected > and angry. > Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe > your problem is deeper . > You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need > friends more than a medicine. > Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night, > whith efexor you sleep a lot > Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life. > I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. Dont > blame any medicine or whatever… > I feel fantastic, in control and > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The only >  thing I can > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My suicide >  attempts were > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts I >  should be dead. If > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it would >  not be from > suicide, it would have been from Effexor. > I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I exist > and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but > remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from > death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting > suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. > take care > love > B > — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

I thought cross-posting to and from different kind of newsgroups was not the reason why they started alt.support.schizofrenia. Btw, is it not forbidden in the FAQ ? Berty

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EFEXOR   In September my doctor put me on Effexor 75mg for > depression, which started me on a downward spiral with hideous side effects. > Anybody who says Effexor is not dangerous is lying. After 2 months on the drug, I stuck a > hose to my exhaust pipe of my car, took 2 sleeping tablets so I would not wake up and get > out, and went to sleep. EIGHT hours later I awoke, and drove home dejected

and angry. Maybe Efexor is not enough for your problrm, you should think that maybe your problem is deeper . You should try to try something more, and anyway ,I think that you need friends more than a medicine. Efexor is a soft medicine, maybe you need something heavier. > I was sleeping approx 4 hours per night,

whith efexor you sleep a lot Fast-forward to now 6 weeks later, and > I truly believe Effexor gave me the urge to take my life.

I dont believe it. If you wanted to take your life, it was up to you. Dont blame any medicine or whatever… I feel fantastic, in control and > nearly normal. I no longer plot my death or have the urge to cut. The only thing I can > thank Effexor for is sorting out my true friends in this world. My suicide attempts were > very serious ones, not telling anybody beforehand and by all accounts I should be dead. If > it were not for unleaded petrol, I would be. The difference is, it would not be from > suicide, it would have been from Effexor.

I think that your suicide attempts were just flames, a way to say: I exist and I need help. good for you. I am happy that you are still alive, but remember that maybe the next time there will be nobody to save you from death, and please think about all the people who are really commiting suicide, leaving their families and friends in grief. take care love B – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > Psychiatry is to Science > as Astrology is to Astronomy

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > >Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by > >  suppressing > > > >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the > >  definition > > > >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why >are > > > >they not considered addictive, for example?? > > > There are two kind, psychological and physical. Which do you mean? > > both > I agree with all the above about benzos.  However, antidepressants are > not addictive. > Basically, addictive psychiatric drugs (i.e. benzodiazepines) are all > like alcohol and all the other well known addictive drugs.  The exact > reason they are addictive, on a molecular/biochemical level, is a > mystery. >OK. I drop my request for a molecular/biological level description of >addiction. All I ask is, why do you call alcohol and benzos addictive, and >the AD’s not addictive! What is the behavioural difference between the >addicts to benzos and patients strugling to withdraw Effexor? >cem

I suppose you could start with saying you can’t take xanax for a year and NOT have withdrawal, but can stop Paxil abruptly and be just fine. It doesn’t fit.

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>I suppose you could start with saying you can’t take xanax for a year >and NOT have withdrawal, but can stop Paxil abruptly and be just fine. >It doesn’t fit.

But people have sued the manufacturers of Paxil and won because they didn’t reveal the severity of withdrawal.  There have been scores of Paxil anecdotes here, some people have no problem while others say it was the worst experience of their lives. One subtle difference between Xanax and Paxil is that one produces a mildly euphoric experience while the other simply restores a normal state of being.  But Xanax is HIGHLY addictive!!!  I can’t describe the sensation, but Xanax made me feel like I always had to take another dose.  There was no pain or suffering, just a mental compulsion to take another dose.  I was lucky that I only took it for 5-6 months, long-term users report absolute hell in withdrawal.

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> But people have sued the manufacturers of Paxil and won because they > didn’t reveal the severity of withdrawal.  There have been scores of > Paxil anecdotes here, some people have no problem while others say > it was the worst experience of their lives.

I’m one of the former, although I had such horrible side-effects when I was taking it that any withdrawal may have been compensated for by the diminished side-effects once I’d given it the boot. > One subtle difference between Xanax and Paxil is that one produces a > mildly euphoric experience while the other simply restores a normal > state of being.  But Xanax is HIGHLY addictive!!!  I can’t describe > the sensation, but Xanax made me feel like I always had to take > another dose.  There was no pain or suffering, just a mental > compulsion to take another dose.  I was lucky that I only took it > for 5-6 months, long-term users report absolute hell in withdrawal.

I’m curious about this one.  I’d taken lorazepam for about 2 years, which is supposedly one of the most "addictive" benzos, and when I decided it wasn’t really useful so I may as well stop it I experienced 2 or 3 weeks of slightly increased anxiety, agitation and so on, but certainly a long way from "absolute hell."  I’m wondering if I’m somehow more resistant to withdrawal than most others, or if it’s more a case of how much aggro someone’s prepared to tolerate?  In my case I think I took the rather morbid line that life was already so crap that some extra horribleness was no big deal. Chris.

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> >Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are >they not considered addictive, for example?? >cem > They all are addictive.

Before proceeding on this, does anyone know why the ASAP people, of whom one at least has visited here, are vociferously against the position that benzos are addicting?  And why, this group does not go bezerk if you mention benzo addiction? Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Before proceeding on this, does anyone know >why the ASAP people, of whom one at least has >visited here, are vociferously against the position >that benzos are addicting?  And why, this group >does not go bezerk if you mention benzo addiction? > Because unlike you, they just can’t admit addiction. It’s like walking > in a bar at 11 a.m. and telling people they are alcoholics. > It’s the flip side of anti-med —- pro-med. So blinded and in denial > they can’t see the forest for the trees. > Did you notice they now have a message board for people who want to > debate things that may be "disruptive", IOW – addiction? > Just go to ASAP and ask if benzos are addictive, and report back your > results.

I’ve been there – if you check the Google correspondence between Ian and me, you will see the acrimonious nature of the debate. It’s hard to believe that all of them are blinded to the possibility of addiction.   Interesting that they now have a "disruptive" room – maybe I should go there, LOL!   Squiggles

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>Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are >they not considered addictive, for example??

I can only say from personal experience that benzos are incredibly addictive.  Especially Xanax.  In a way they are similar to methamphetamine, neither makes you think you’re addicted.  Like meth, benzos create a pure mental desire to take another dose, you always find some rationale to do more, thee is no actual physical withdrawal involved.  Perhaps there is some withdrawal, it tends not to be painful, just a dramatic increase in anxiety, the very thing benzos are prescribed to treat.

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>Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are >they not considered addictive, for example?? > There are two kind, psychological and physical. Which do you mean?

both

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> Not true, Chris.  The benzodiazepine Klonopin (clonazepam HCl) has a > half-life of between 30-40 hours–a half life typical of the SSRIs (except > fluoxetine).

Okay, maybe I missed out the phrase "generally speaking."  Of course there are exceptions with a minority of benzos with atypically long half-lives and antidepressants with very short ones, but IMHO using one of the exceptions to say the basis is "not true" is nitpicking (of course it may be inaccurate in other more valid aspects) Chris.

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> > >Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by >  suppressing > >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the >  definition > >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are > >they not considered addictive, for example?? > There are two kind, psychological and physical. Which do you mean? > both

I agree with all the above about benzos.  However, antidepressants are not addictive. Basically, addictive psychiatric drugs (i.e. benzodiazepines) are all like alcohol and all the other well known addictive drugs.  The exact reason they are addictive, on a molecular/biochemical level, is a mystery. Antidepressants aren’t.  They seem to work by putting a floor under one’s mood state, so that you don’t go spiraling downwards.  But you won’t see people on the street because of being hooked on antidepressants – it just doesn’t happen. The people who deny that benzos are addictive are either in an addictive denial state or in some other peculiar denial state. There’s no doubt that benzos are highly addictive.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by >  suppressing > > >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the >  definition > > >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are > > >they not considered addictive, for example?? > > There are two kind, psychological and physical. Which do you mean? > both > I agree with all the above about benzos.  However, antidepressants are > not addictive. > Basically, addictive psychiatric drugs (i.e. benzodiazepines) are all > like alcohol and all the other well known addictive drugs.  The exact > reason they are addictive, on a molecular/biochemical level, is a > mystery. > Antidepressants aren’t.  They seem to work by putting a floor under > one’s mood state, so that you don’t go spiraling downwards.  But you > won’t see people on the street because of being hooked on > antidepressants – it just doesn’t happen. > The people who deny that benzos are addictive are either in an > addictive denial state or in some other peculiar denial state. > There’s no doubt that benzos are highly addictive.

I think the word "addiction" has a special pharmaceutical meaning and a literal one; it is the literal one that gets people or riled up.  Regarding the ADs however, it seems that some of the new ones leave their mark, if you discontinue the drug; hence the neologism:  "discontinuation syndrome" – how similar that is to "addiction" is something a competent pharmacologist should be able to figure out. Squiggles — Truth has become a commodity.              - Squiggles

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by >  suppressing > > >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the >  definition > > >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are > > >they not considered addictive, for example?? > > There are two kind, psychological and physical. Which do you mean? > both > I agree with all the above about benzos.  However, antidepressants are > not addictive. > Basically, addictive psychiatric drugs (i.e. benzodiazepines) are all > like alcohol and all the other well known addictive drugs.  The exact > reason they are addictive, on a molecular/biochemical level, is a > mystery.

OK. I drop my request for a molecular/biological level description of addiction. All I ask is, why do you call alcohol and benzos addictive, and the AD’s not addictive! What is the behavioural difference between the addicts to benzos and patients strugling to withdraw Effexor? cem

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Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are they not considered addictive, for example?? cem

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> Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing > the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition > of addiction?

Because the CNS adapts to compensate after prolonged suppression, so once the suppression ends the CNS becomes overactive resulting in various nasties like anxiety and insomnia.  Or something like that. > Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are > they not considered addictive, for example??

Much longer half-life.  Benzos wear off after a few hours leading to the chronic user to be continuously aware that they need to take another dose.  Most ADs take several days (at least) before any withdrawal effects are likely to appear, which doesn’t have quite the same immediacy about it. Chris.

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>Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing >the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition >of addiction? Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are >they not considered addictive, for example?? >cem

They all are addictive.

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Not true, Chris.  The benzodiazepine Klonopin (clonazepam HCl) has a half-life of between 30-40 hours–a half life typical of the SSRIs (except fluoxetine).

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Correct me if I’m wrong, but I know that benzodiazepines work by suppressing > the CNS. So why are they addictive? And first of all, what is the definition > of addiction? > Because the CNS adapts to compensate after prolonged suppression, so > once the suppression ends the CNS becomes overactive resulting in > various nasties like anxiety and insomnia.  Or something like that. > Effexor and Paxil has terrible withdrawal symptoms; why are > they not considered addictive, for example?? > Much longer half-life.  Benzos wear off after a few hours leading to > the chronic user to be continuously aware that they need to take > another dose.  Most ADs take several days (at least) before any > withdrawal effects are likely to appear, which doesn’t have quite > the same immediacy about it. > Chris.

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It wreaks ethically and the sheer volume of the ads, ad after ad, is disgusting, pushing the newest and most expensive drugs, driving up the cost of heath care for everybody.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> why is this so bad? isn’t it medication used to help people? it’s not > crack… > it’s unbelievable. Over here in the UK, we endlessly criticise our media, > but I really can’t imagine anyone being allowed to do that. > Although we do have a tendency to follow America’s bad habits blindly, and > ignore the good ones, hope we don’t follow this one! > Namaste > J > > Oh yes, they certainly do, that and a lot more. Kind of turns your > stomach, > > no?? > > > do they really advertise anti-depressants on TV in the states? > > > Thats incredible… > > > J > > >>> Hi folks, > > >>> I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the > US > > > or > > >>> Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also > using > 2g > > > of > > >>> B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since > taking > > > B5 > > >>> I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my > > > muscles > > >>> feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from > this > > > symp- > > >>> toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is > this > > > even > > >>> a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine > anti-depressant > > > ? > > >> I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but > > >> according to the people at rec.drugs.smart > > >> B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain > blood > > > barrier" > > >> thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and > or > > > drugs.In > > >> that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, > since > > > those > > >> drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. > > >> Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be > smart > to > > > talk > > >> with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve > > > encountered. > > >> You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts > about > > >> vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil problem > than > > > B5. > > >> Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more help.

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why is this so bad? isn’t it medication used to help people? it’s not crack…

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> it’s unbelievable. Over here in the UK, we endlessly criticise our media, > but I really can’t imagine anyone being allowed to do that. > Although we do have a tendency to follow America’s bad habits blindly, and > ignore the good ones, hope we don’t follow this one! > Namaste > J > Oh yes, they certainly do, that and a lot more. Kind of turns your > stomach, > no?? > > do they really advertise anti-depressants on TV in the states? > > Thats incredible… > > J > >>> Hi folks, > >>> I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the > US > > or > >>> Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using > 2g > > of > >>> B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since > taking > > B5 > >>> I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my > > muscles > >>> feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this > > symp- > >>> toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this > > even > >>> a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine > anti-depressant > > ? > >> I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but > >> according to the people at rec.drugs.smart > >> B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain blood > > barrier" > >> thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and or > > drugs.In > >> that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, > since > > those > >> drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. > >> Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be smart > to > > talk > >> with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve > > encountered. > >> You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts > about > >> vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil problem > than > > B5. > >> Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more help.

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Did you mean "reeks?" – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > It wreaks ethically and the sheer volume of the ads, ad after ad, is > disgusting, pushing the newest and most expensive drugs, driving up the cost > of heath care for everybody. > why is this so bad? isn’t it medication used to help people? it’s not > crack… >> it’s unbelievable. Over here in the UK, we endlessly criticise our > media, >> but I really can’t imagine anyone being allowed to do that. >> Although we do have a tendency to follow America’s bad habits blindly, > and >> ignore the good ones, hope we don’t follow this one! >> Namaste >> J >>> Oh yes, they certainly do, that and a lot more. Kind of turns your >> stomach, >>> no?? >>>> do they really advertise anti-depressants on TV in the states? >>>> Thats incredible… >>>> J >>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>> I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in > the >> US >>>> or >>>>>> Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also > using >> 2g >>>> of >>>>>> B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since >> taking >>>> B5 >>>>>> I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and > my >>>> muscles >>>>>> feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from > this >>>> symp- >>>>>> toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is > this >>>> even >>>>>> a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine >> anti-depressant >>>> ? >>>>> I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but >>>>> according to the people at rec.drugs.smart >>>>> B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain > blood >>>> barrier" >>>>> thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and > or >>>> drugs.In >>>>> that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, >> since >>>> those >>>>> drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. >>>>> Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be > smart >> to >>>> talk >>>>> with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve >>>> encountered. >>>>> You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts >> about >>>>> vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil > problem >> than >>>> B5. >>>>> Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more > help.

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Oh yes, they certainly do, that and a lot more. Kind of turns your stomach, no?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > do they really advertise anti-depressants on TV in the states? > Thats incredible… > J >> Hi folks, >> I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US > or >> Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g > of >> B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking > B5 >> I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my > muscles >> feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this > symp- >> toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this > even >> a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant > ? > I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but > according to the people at rec.drugs.smart > B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain blood > barrier" > thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and or > drugs.In > that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, since > those > drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. > Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be smart to > talk > with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve > encountered. > You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts about > vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil problem than > B5. > Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more help.

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Maybe Zoloft wasn’t prescribed because, as the commercial says, it has "certain sexual side effects . . .". For the human male, it’s like chemical castration – the libido ceases to exist in some; heard it’s not much better for the female. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I seriously doubt that B5 interacted with Paxil to cause the symptoms > that you described.  However, it’s recommended that folic acid (B9) > should be taken with AD (antidepressants) as well as anti-epileptic > drugs (AEDs) and it is very unfortunate that your doc failed to inform > you about it.  Here is one of the studies (I chose an easy to read > one:-). > Before you throw B5 altogether I suggest that you add folic acid; I > would start with 400 mcg (800 is the RDA) and even increase it to 800 > if no adverse reaction/s. Folic acid has been found to help in the > prevention of so many other neurological disorders. > BTW, why you were prescribed Paxil and not Zoloft, which is a much > superior medication and was the prescribing doc a psychiatrist or your > generalist/family doc/internist? > Good luck, > ada > You may want to consult your physician or your pharmacist but I don’t see > how it could cause a reaction. >> Hi folks, >> I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US or >> Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g >  of >> B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking B5 >> I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my >  muscles >> feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this >  symp- >> toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this even >> a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant ?

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it’s unbelievable. Over here in the UK, we endlessly criticise our media, but I really can’t imagine anyone being allowed to do that. Although we do have a tendency to follow America’s bad habits blindly, and ignore the good ones, hope we don’t follow this one! Namaste J

> Oh yes, they certainly do, that and a lot more. Kind of turns your stomach, > no??

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> do they really advertise anti-depressants on TV in the states? > Thats incredible… > J >>> Hi folks, >>> I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US > or >>> Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g > of >>> B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking > B5 >>> I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my > muscles >>> feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this > symp- >>> toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this > even >>> a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant > ? >> I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but >> according to the people at rec.drugs.smart >> B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain blood > barrier" >> thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and or > drugs.In >> that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, since > those >> drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. >> Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be smart to > talk >> with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve > encountered. >> You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts about >> vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil problem than > B5. >> Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more help.

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do they really advertise anti-depressants on TV in the states? Thats incredible… J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi folks, >I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US or >Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g of >B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking B5 >I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my muscles >feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this symp- >toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this even >a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant ? > I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but > according to the people at rec.drugs.smart > B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain blood barrier" > thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and or drugs.In > that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, since those > drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. > Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be smart to talk > with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve encountered. > You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts about > vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil problem than B5. > Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more help.

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> Yeah, and have you noticed how when they’re describing the side effects they > tend to play this "happy" xylophone music and show images of cats rolling > and people strolling through meadows? It’s like, you may hear the words > "bloody vomit" or "liver failure", but what you see and hear is > "happy-go-lucky". Gee, one might conclude they’re trying to play down the > bad side effects!    ;0

Yeah, it’s called advertising.  Usually those *bad* side effects are so unlikely that only one in a million would have any serious problems.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Side affects? What side affects????? <g> > > Not stupid. Doctors over prescribe them, like many other things. > > Christ, in the U.S. they have tv ads for them like they are hamburgers > or > > dish soap. > Yeah, and have you noticed how when they’re describing the side effects > they > tend to play this "happy" xylophone music and show images of cats rolling > and people strolling through meadows? It’s like, you may hear the words > "bloody vomit" or "liver failure", but what you see and hear is > "happy-go-lucky". Gee, one might conclude they’re trying to play down the > bad side effects!    ;0

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Side affects? What side affects????? <g>

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Not stupid. Doctors over prescribe them, like many other things. > Christ, in the U.S. they have tv ads for them like they are hamburgers or > dish soap. > Yeah, and have you noticed how when they’re describing the side effects they > tend to play this "happy" xylophone music and show images of cats rolling > and people strolling through meadows? It’s like, you may hear the words > "bloody vomit" or "liver failure", but what you see and hear is > "happy-go-lucky". Gee, one might conclude they’re trying to play down the > bad side effects!    ;0

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I seriously doubt that B5 interacted with Paxil to cause the symptoms that you described.  However, it’s recommended that folic acid (B9) should be taken with AD (antidepressants) as well as anti-epileptic drugs (AEDs) and it is very unfortunate that your doc failed to inform you about it.  Here is one of the studies (I chose an easy to read one:-). Before you throw B5 altogether I suggest that you add folic acid; I would start with 400 mcg (800 is the RDA) and even increase it to 800 if no adverse reaction/s. Folic acid has been found to help in the prevention of so many other neurological disorders. BTW, why you were prescribed Paxil and not Zoloft, which is a much superior medication and was the prescribing doc a psychiatrist or your generalist/family doc/internist? Good luck, ada – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You may want to consult your physician or your pharmacist but I don’t see > how it could cause a reaction. > Hi folks, > I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US or > Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g >  of > B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking B5 > I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my >  muscles > feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this >  symp- > toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this even > a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant ?

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You may want to consult your physician or your pharmacist but I don’t see how it could cause a reaction.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi folks, > I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US or > Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g of > B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking B5 > I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my muscles > feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this symp- > toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this even > a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant ?

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Stop taking the damn antidepressant. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi folks, > I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US or > Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g of > B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking B5 > I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my muscles > feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this symp- > toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this even > a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant ?

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> Hi folks, >I’m taking an anti-depressant called Tagonis (aka under Paxil in the US or >Seroxat in the UK) since 1995 and for about two months I’m also using 2g of >B5 a day in timed-realease tabs to cope with my oily skin. Since taking B5 >I’m feeling less able to concentrate, suffering from vertigo and my muscles >feel slabby. I dropped B5 yesterday and I quickly recovered from this symp- >toms. Has anyone here also experienced this when taking B5 or is this even >a commonly known effect when taking B5 with a paroxetine anti-depressant ?

I don’t know much about AD or Paxil but according to the people at rec.drugs.smart B5 is known for its ability to help other drugs cross the "brain blood barrier" thereby increasing/aiding in the absorbtion of some suppliments and or drugs.In that way it could possibly have some effect on the antidepressant, since those drugs act primarily on brain chemicals. Since no one here is a doctor, least of all me. I think you’d be smart to talk with your GP and find out more about the type of problems you’ve encountered. You might also do some googling to see if there are any other posts about vitamins and Paxil interacting, could be its more of a Paxil problem than B5. Either way good luck to you, sorry I wasn’t able to be of more help.

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Not stupid. Doctors over prescribe them, like many other things. Christ, in the U.S. they have tv ads for them like they are hamburgers or dish soap.

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> Not stupid. Doctors over prescribe them, like many other things. > Christ, in the U.S. they have tv ads for them like they are hamburgers or > dish soap.

Yeah, and have you noticed how when they’re describing the side effects they tend to play this "happy" xylophone music and show images of cats rolling and people strolling through meadows? It’s like, you may hear the words "bloody vomit" or "liver failure", but what you see and hear is "happy-go-lucky". Gee, one might conclude they’re trying to play down the bad side effects!    ;0

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> All the good treatments get rejected. What we are left with is halfassed SSRIs. > Makes me disgusted. > Eric

I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What kind of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep problems, restlessness, etc. etc. So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a psychiatrist and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! cem

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page >advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What kind >of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from >chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep >problems, restlessness, etc. etc. >So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a psychiatrist >and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! >cem > why dont you go fuck yourself? Paxil is a great drug. > Eric

If one was a stockholder in GSK I would agree with Eric, however the point raised in this post, a point which seems to be well over the head of our poor lost boy is that advertising of drugs might not be the best way to deal with health issues.  By selling a little pill for every problem the doctor patient relationship is replaced by the consumer drug company relationship. Naturally for anti psychiatry activists like Eric that is a quite acceptable outcome.

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Dear Eric, You miss the point, as always! It is not the point if Paxil is a good drug or not! It is the public advertisement of a drug I oppose here. …and for the "go fuck yourself" business, all I have to say is, you have serious personality problems, and you have revealed them here on the Usenet for quite a long time. I suggest, you go and get some help!… cem

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I totally agree. On Esquire, February issue, there is a whole page >advertisement of Paxil. A public add for a psychotropic substance? What kind >of shit is this? Why doesn’t US ban it? It says that millions suffer from >chronic anxiety, and gives the symptoms: Fatigue, irritability, sleep >problems, restlessness, etc. etc. >So GSK wants US citizens to self-diagnose themselves, go to a psychiatrist >and ask him/her to prescribe Paxil! That’s wonderful! >cem > why dont you go fuck yourself? Paxil is a great drug. > Eric > Maneuver warfare is a warfighting philosophy that seeks to shatter the enemy’s > cohesion through a variety of rapid, focused, and unexpected actions which > create a turbulent and rapidly deteriorating situation with which the enemy > cannot cope.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Dear Eric, >You miss the point, as always! >It is not the point if Paxil is a good drug or not! It is the public >advertisement of a drug I oppose here. >…and for the "go fuck yourself" business, all I have to say is, you have >serious personality problems, and you have revealed them here on the Usenet >for quite a long time. I suggest, you go and get some help!… > There is big money in psychotropic drug advertisements. The costs are > nothing compared to the benefits to the drug companies of someone > suggesting that med, and the years of income it will bring them. > Advertising specific medications and medications in general is a > shameless act which can possibly harm people. I’m surprised someone > who thinks they are insane because psychiatry made them that way would > object.

It is amazing how I can find no points of agreement with you in one post, and agree with you by and large in another. No.Spam, you are a interesting study in contradictions

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whats wrong with this business couldn`t the fuckers just approve it I mean just for the feeling that somethings good is going to happen

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one day maybe intelligent mutifaceted personalities will be able to come out of the closet.. till then we have….. did you ever see the movie or read the book "King Rat" ? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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