SSRIs

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i heard this on a movie one time.  does this really help some people, or is it bullshit?  i had side effects which included severe panic attacks.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->i heard this on a movie one time.  does this really help some people, or is >it >bullshit?  i had side effects which included severe panic attacks. >If youre having panic attacks from meds your Pdoc needs to know that. One >thing >you should know in case you are taking SSRIs by any chance is that SSRIs can >worsen anxiety in panic prone individuals during the first couple weeks. Then >the anti-panic effect of the SSRIs kicks in usually and you start feeling >relaxed. >Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin. >Eric >Basic course in logic 101: >Psychiatry is bullshit…psychiatrists are full of shit

Eric no offense pal, but are you really that nice, or really that stupid? Either way, I pray for you my friend.  But honestly, no offense, did those ECT procedures work for the best?  I believe that post, made by MaryPoppedCherry (which is a hint right there) was just a JOKE.  Common sense will take you a long way, but hell, maybe I should try those ECT’s, maybe just shocking the common sense out of me would be a better way of living.  I guess i’d rather be dumb and happy than to be living in this stresszone.

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>ome people are labeled NICE because their STUPID

some people are labeled nice because THEIR stupid?  Umm try THEY’RE! practice what you preech! LMFAO Jason

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ome people are labeled NICE because their STUPID >some people are labeled nice because THEIR stupid?  Umm try THEY’RE! >practice what you preech! >LMFAO >Jason

sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my posts are very articulate.   there, they’re out now!  oops, i just found a problem Jason, my dictionary says that there isn’t a definition for PREECH. Also, learn how to highlight text why don’t ya! ps:  practice what you PREACH

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> sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my > usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my > posts are very articulate.   > there, they’re out now!  oops, i just found a problem Jason, my dictionary says > that there isn’t a definition for PREECH. > Also, learn how to highlight text why don’t ya! > ps:  practice what you PREACH

Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao! — Amelia

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>Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin.

Bullshit, drug pusher, prove it.

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>maybe I should try those ECT’s, maybe just shocking the >common sense out of me would be a better way of living.

No, it popular in NC though.

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>Eric no offense pal, but are you really that nice, or really that stupid?

Stupid

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>Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao!

Mind reader?

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>If youre having panic attacks from meds your Pdoc needs to know that.

A sign meds are fucked up.

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>sue me, i hated english and literature!  ohhhhh let me put more time in my >usenet postings, pull out my dictionary and spell checker and make sure my >posts are very articulate.  

Eric?

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>Many times Pdocs will prescribe a benzo to help you get thru the first couple >weeks of an SSRI, like Klonopin.

Squiggles?

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>SSRIs by any chance is that SSRIs can >worsen anxiety in panic prone individuals during the first couple weeks.

They can worsen panic PERIOD.

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> >Uummm…..he spelled it "preech" on purpose lmao! > Mind reader?

Yea. Why do you ask? — Amelia

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> >> Mind reader? >Yea. >Why do you ask? > If you are a mind reader, why are you asking? LOL

I slipped. Back on track now though. Damn. — Amelia

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If you look at that dog link I just sent, take a good look at "home" and check any country in the world that has deaf dogs — what do they all have in common? Almost every single one is white or white with black, blue-eyed, Great Dane, Pit or Staff, or Dalmatian — Incredible!  you wouldn’t dare say that of people who are deaf for example. Squiggles

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> If you look at that dog link I just sent, take a good > look at "home" and check any country in the world > that has deaf dogs — what do they all have in common? > Almost every single one is white or white with black, > blue-eyed, Great Dane, Pit or Staff, or Dalmatian —

Squiggles, In some breeds the white is due to a recessive gene or genes that is somehow linked to deafness. I understand that deafness is quite common in all white cats. I don’t think there is any relationship between the color of a dog’s hair and deafness in people.

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> Im thinking of getting a dog. Id get one as a puppy and train it to hate all > anti-psychiatry assholes. Id put my dog on SSRIs too, just to piss you people > off. > Eric >Squiggles, In some breeds the white is due to a recessive gene or genes >that is somehow linked to deafness. I understand that deafness is quite >common in all white cats. I don’t think there is any relationship between >the color of a dog’s hair and deafness in people.

No, I didn’t mean that deafness in people and dog’s hair are related; I meant that certain qualities (and not just one) are linked; that’s significant in gene determination because, it is not just ONE gene, but several that seem to be linked. Squiggles as for Eric’s dog, I wonder what he’ll name it

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In testing many baby animals were found not to react to being pulled from their mothers after they were on SSRI’s.  Obviously your SSRI dosed dog would be incapable of the hate you desire.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Im thinking of getting a dog. Id get one as a puppy and train it to hate all > anti-psychiatry assholes. Id put my dog on SSRIs too, just to piss you people > off. > Eric >Squiggles, In some breeds the white is due to a recessive gene or genes >that is somehow linked to deafness. I understand that deafness is quite >common in all white cats. I don’t think there is any relationship between >the color of a dog’s hair and deafness in people. > Im insane because psychiatry made me this way > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively

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This is Serzone, according to www.medbroadcast.com here is the link for you reading pleasure; http://drugs.medbroadcast.com/ASP/DrugInfo.asp?BrandNameID=379 Carrie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I`ve been on 600 mg of this stuff for a couple of years. > When I looked in a worthy book recently, it listed 4 types of > antidepressants : >         MAOIs >         SSRIs >         Benzedrines >         Others. >  nefazodone was listed under `others,` but no description was given. The net > hasn`t been much help. > I get very bad headaches when I cut down (and for 3 weeks when I srarted on > it .)

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I`ve been on 600 mg of this stuff for a couple of years. When I looked in a worthy book recently, it listed 4 types of antidepressants :         MAOIs         SSRIs         Benzedrines         Others.  nefazodone was listed under `others,` but no description was given. The net hasn`t been much help. I get very bad headaches when I cut down (and for 3 weeks when I srarted on it .)

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Can anyone tell me about lithium augmentation with SSRIs or SNRIs or whatever?  I’m taking 225mg Effexor XR and my doctor has suggested using lithium augmentation to help with some of the more resistant symptoms.  I’ve tried a whole bunch of other stuff (mostly SSRIs), but I’m a little worried about trying lithium because of it’s reputation as a "hard" drug. Please let me know about any of the positive/negative aspects of lithium, as well as side effects, etc. Anything at all would be appreciated. Elsa

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> Can anyone tell me about lithium augmentation with SSRIs or SNRIs or > whatever?  I’m taking 225mg Effexor XR and my doctor has suggested > using lithium augmentation to help with some of the more resistant > symptoms.  I’ve tried a whole bunch of other stuff (mostly SSRIs), but > I’m a little worried about trying lithium because of it’s reputation > as a "hard" drug. Please let me know about any of the > positive/negative aspects of lithium, as well as side effects, etc. > Anything at all would be appreciated. > Elsa

Hi Elsa, I know that lithium is used as an adjunct drug with other meds, though off hand, I cannot tell you which; and it’s important to know that there is not bad interaction and to know the dose, etc.  Please excuse me for this rough reply; I am presently going through a drug experience myself, but I am attaching a site you may find useful with many links on lithium info. As for lithium being a "hard drug" – I am not sure what you mean by this.  It is the gold standard for bipolar depression. take care Squiggles http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lithium/

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Welcome to the ng, Here is some info: > Can anyone tell me about lithium augmentation with SSRIs or SNRIs or > whatever?  I’m taking 225mg Effexor XR and my doctor has suggested > using lithium augmentation to help with some of the more resistant > symptoms.  I’ve tried a whole bunch of other stuff (mostly SSRIs), but > I’m a little worried about trying lithium because of it’s reputation > as a "hard" drug. Please let me know about any of the > positive/negative aspects of lithium, as well as side effects, etc. > Anything at all would be appreciated.

http://www.biopsychiatry.com/lithaug.htm Lithium augmentation in treatment-resistant depression: meta-analysis of placebo-controlled studies by Bauer M, Dopfmer S Department of Psychiatry, Klinikum Benjamin Franklin, Freie Unversitat Berlin, Germany. J Clin Psychopharmacol 1999 Oct; 19(5):427-34 ABSTRACT The addition of lithium to the treatment regimens of previously nonresponding depressed patients has been repeatedly investigated in controlled studies. The authors undertook this meta-analysis to investigate the efficacy of lithium augmentation of conventional antidepressants. An attempt was made to identify all placebo-controlled trials of lithium augmentation in refractory depression. Only double-blind studies that involved participants who had been treated with lithium or placebo addition after not responding to conventional antidepressants were to be included in the meta-analysis. Further inclusion criteria were the use of accepted diagnostic criteria for depression and the use of response criteria based on the acceptable measurement of depression as an outcome variable. Studies were located by a search of the MEDLINE database, a search in the Cochrane Library, and an intensive search by hand of reviews on lithium augmentation. Nine of 11 placebo-controlled, double-blind studies were included in this meta-analysis. Aggregating three studies with a total of 110 patients that used a minimum lithium dose of 800 mg/day, or a dose sufficient to reach lithium serum levels of > or = 0.5 mEq/L, and a minimum treatment duration of 2 weeks, the authors found that the pooled odds ratio of response during lithium augmentation compared with the response during placebo treatment was 3.31 (95% confidence interval, 1.46-7.53). The corresponding relative response rate was 2.14 (95% confidence interval, 1.23-3.70), the absolute improvement in response rate was 27% (95% confidence interval, 9.8%-44.2%), and the number of patients needed to be treated to obtain one more responder was 3.7. Inclusion of six more studies that fulfilled inclusion criteria but which treated subjects with additional lithium for less than 2 weeks or with a lower lithium dose (total, 234 patients) resulted in even higher estimates. Lithium augmentation seems to be the treatment strategy in refractory depression that has been investigated most frequently in placebo-controlled, double-blind studies. The authors conclude from this meta-analysis that with respect to efficacy, lithium augmentation is the first-choice treatment procedure for depressed patients who fail to respond to http://bipolar.about.com/library/weekly/mpreviss.htm Go to site and select from the following: 04/02/01 – Lithium: The First Mood Stabilizer Part 4: Whoa, Fat! We conclude our look at Lithium be examining the possible reasons why so many people gain weight – sometimes a LOT of weight – while taking it. 03/26/01 – Lithium: The First Mood Stabilizer Part 3: Major Precautions and Warnings Important facts about this medication, including salt intake, pre-existing conditions, interactions with other medications and other issues.. 03/19/01 – Lithium: The First Mood Stabilizer Part 2: Tests and Toxicity Tests have to be run before starting lithium therapy to make sure it is safe and appropriate for the patient. More tests have to be done throughout the course of therapy to make sure blood levels are within the safe and effective range, because lithium overdose can be very dangerous. 03/12/01 – Lithium: The First Mood Stabilizer Part 1: History, and a Mystery Solved It took nearly 50 years for scientists to start figuring out how lithium works. In Part 1 of a four-part series, we look at the history of lithium and the ground-breaking research that unlocked its mysteries. antidepressant monotherapy.

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<snip> I’ve used lithium as an augmenting agent, and I must say that I really liked it. It did help my anti-depressant, and it very nicely leveled out the worst of my rapid mood swings from depressed but coping to desperately self-destructive. Did have a couple drawbacks though. I had a persistent hand tremor, usually annoying but tolerable though sometimes bad enough to make handwriting difficult and handling coins a disaster. Ultimately, I had to go off lithium because it was reducing my thyroid function too much. A couple months of thyroid supplements took care of that problem. Bright blessings. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

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> I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Nope. Squiggles (hee hee hee)

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> I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

Can’t say that I’ve ever had this problem, but then I couldn’t before Paxil either. Sorry, bad joke. More seriously, "sexual side effects" like this are fairly common on SSRIs — including Paxil — there may be something you can do about this, perhaps some of the men here or your doctor could help. It’s a good sign that you’re interested in doing it though! Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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> Gigco Biloba can help with the Paxil side effect until you can wean yourself off > the paxil

I have no intention of going off Paxil in the near future, unless my doctor decides it’s best to try something else for a while. I have no complaints about Paxil, it doesn’t solve all my problems — but no pill can — and it’s keeping me from killing myself while I work on the problems. I also have no intention of taking herbal supplements — and I think you meant ginko biloba. Besides, I don’t need to ejaculate to feel quite completely satisfied. So follow-up to the poster who needs your advice for a change. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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> I can’t ejaculate with this Paxil.  Anyone else experiencing this problem?

I had it, but after discontinuing the paxil it went away, maybe talk to your doc about welbutrin it has low occurence of sexual side effects, btw the babes liked the paxil :-

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Has anyone switched from Prozac to generic fluoxetine?  If so, have you noticed any differences. thanks, marks

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hi Mark – both had worked exactly the same. The generic Prozac (called Fluoxetine) was fine with me, and it was cheaper to boot! — regards, Compucat

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Has anyone switched from Prozac to generic fluoxetine?  If so, have you > noticed any differences. > thanks, > marks

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Though suffering some degree of depression,  most of my life I managed to develop friendships were generally positive, supportive and beneficial. In recent years, this hasn’t been the case.  Suddenly, these negative, critical, non-supportive type people been calling or attempting to foist sick relationships on me. I am wondering what I used to do so right…I managed to avoid these types of people for so long! I see, my goals and activities used to be wholly positive.  In HS, my goal was to go to college, so my activities were towards that end,  academic study, extra curricula activities, and a job worked to earn money to save to pay for college. In college, goal was similiar, finish collge, go to grad school, so my activities were academic study, EC of an academic nature, while working to pay all my expenses.  Friends during all those years..were people possessed of similiar goals engaged in similiar activities.. As a young profesional, I continued going to school for degrees, and then doing that which was required to obtain professional credentials. Eventually I got all the degrees and credentials I wanted, and  turned my sights to seeing the world…joining ski clubs, and scuba diving clubs  so the cost of my doing so wasnt too prohibitive. Friends and acquaitances again be made amongst those with similiar goals..engaged in similiarly POSITIVE activities. I graduated HS in 74,  and went to college and grad school in the late ’70’s, a time where the drug culture was such it swarmed all about me.  I was too busy with studies and work,  to have any involvement with people getting high, everywhere…I looked.. Their mommy and daddy’s were footing the bill for their college expenses, they could afford such,  I couldnt. ..besides I preferred to take the bus over to the Gym,  and swim laps and spend some time in the sauna…in my free time, that was my high,  rather than whatever everyone round me was getting high on. Shortly before I turned 18, the drinking age was lowered to 18, owing to cries 18 yearolds were sent to war, ought to be able to have a drink. So by sophomore year..they installed a compus PUB! I go, but was so antsy while there, I have a glass of wine..with friends..and be on my way…even when it be Rick Springstein or Renaissance playing…I was too busy.the Pub was always so smoky..and everyone in it was so  DRUNK and or HIGH! During my professional years, between memberships in Y’s and ski clubs,and scuba clubs..swimming, sking..and scubadiving were my past times.. so once again my involvements were with people doing those things.. and only occaisionally would coworkers get me to join them for a drink after work…But like in college…I get antsy in a bar…have a drink with them and be on my way. I never known a drunk or a drug addict  while they were a drunk or a drug addict.  In recent years, though I been found appealing by ex drunks and drug addicts.. Why…all the sudden do I find myself being sought out by such people..trying to involve me in relationships with them.. And, I think it has something to do with  my antidepressant use..and all it really did to me…insidiously…without me knowing…or understanding,  or recognizing it…something supposed to have helped me…in reality turned me into a damn junkie. I took the first SSRI, prozac  and all the others  to ENABLE me to cope better with difficult circumstances and help me manage my life. Unfortunately, it did the opposite… while inciting thoughts along the lines…of don’t worry, be happy,  don’t give all you worked for the previous 20 years,  educationally and professionally any thought at all, becoming the  world series of poker champion is the a much more worthy calling, anyway  and you are your own boss, can make your own hours…call the shots…much more conducing to single parenting! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL So what if you losing contact with good friends..cause they dont know you any more,  and your relationships among people are becoming increasingly amongst those you never have a thing to do with before you were prozaced, or zolofted, or paxilated, or wellbetroned, or serzoned.. to their being drunk, or high on their  crystal meth, or their cocaine or their poison of choice.. So what if all your previous motivation to do positive, and worthy things in the crapper on Paxil…and you are going down the tubes…on the way to the dump heap…trash bin…the gutter… Just take that Paxil..and you wont feel the pain…on your way down, down, down… At least until you hit your bottom…and go SPLAT! And think,  what the heck….  how did this happen.. and come to a NG…where everyone is in friggen denial bout what prozac, paxil, zoloft, and WB, and serzone really doing to them…making them junkies… NO SSRI anonymous  for paxil junkies… no place to turn to when noone admits you been medicating into junkiehood… That when you stop paxil  the next 18 months…is in reality…recovery from a drug addiction with all up and downs and mood swings…involved in learning to deal with your feelings again after 10 years of having them blunted by meds..  etc etc.. All and totally and completely ALONE  with the knowledge..you are attempting to recover from being a SSRI junkie, addict…user… Cause it being addictive…and causing drug dependence and making a junkie of you…is DEnied, denied denied…. while your mental lonliness.. is so unimaginable  in a world chooses to deny and ignore the reality that those 85 million prescriptions for SSRIS  are prescriptions for junkiedom for those 85 million people. It’s truly a lonely road them want to get off SSRI’s are on…all by themselves…with the knowledge they are junkies having to kick an addiction not recognized as an addiction. .

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> while your mental lonliness.. is so unimaginable  in a world chooses to deny > and ignore the reality that those 85 million prescriptions for SSRIS  are > prescriptions for junkiedom for those 85 million people. > It’s truly a lonely road them want to get off SSRI’s are on…all by > themselves…with the knowledge they are junkies having to kick an addiction > not recognized as an addiction.

Thank you for the trip down memory lane, it was enjoyable. So, you come to a depression support group, which has a major emphasis on medications, and tell people the very medications that have helped them return to normal, partial recovery, or have even saved their lives in cases that they are junkies? As the saying goes, with friends like you…

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> Though suffering some degree of depression,  most of my life I managed to > develop friendships were generally positive, supportive and beneficial.

Whether or not your theory is correct is unimportant, IMHO. What steps are you taking, what decisions are you making, what choices do you recognize, to leave this all behind?

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> while your mental lonliness.. is so unimaginable  in a world chooses to deny > and ignore the reality that those 85 million prescriptions for SSRIS are > prescriptions for junkiedom for those 85 million people. > It’s truly a lonely road them want to get off SSRI’s are on…all by > themselves…with the knowledge they are junkies having to kick an addiction > not recognized as an addiction. > Thank you for the trip down memory lane, it was enjoyable. > So, you come to a depression support group, which has a major emphasis > on medications, and tell people the very medications that have helped > them return to normal, partial recovery, or have even saved their lives > in cases that they are junkies? > As the saying goes, with friends like you…

Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you present.. IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with news and research results in these areas.. Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence because of mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal ..be that a positive or negative experience. just my 2c regards, Bob

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> Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you present.. > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with news > and research results in these areas.. > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence because of > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal ..be > that a positive or negative experience. > just my 2c > regards, > Bob

Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you > present.. > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with > news > and research results in these areas.. > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence because of > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal > ..be > that a positive or negative experience. > just my 2c > regards, > Bob > Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched.

Bob, Junkies? That only serves to inflame. As for news and discussion, I think we can have that without SSRI users being referred to as junkies. Her _only_ intent was to inflame, but defend her if you must. Individual experiences true, but not the highly inflammatory 85 million junkies. — I hate to say it but I personally believe some of the ideas for prescribing neuroleptics for aggression in non-psychotic cases stems from the huge influx of jews in psychiatry.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you > present.. > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with > news > and research results in these areas.. > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence because of > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal > ..be > that a positive or negative experience. > just my 2c > regards, > Bob > Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched.

At the risk of being called a santimonious hypocrite I think anyone who trolls a support group to personally abuse posters is out of order regardless of diagnosis. In terms of the difference.. it seems to me that people diagnosed as manic can often cope better with flame wars and abuse..and even thrive and become more invigorated with the conflict than can the severely depressed.. who just become more depressed and give up and sink back into their lonely shells.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you > present.. > > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with > news > > and research results in these areas.. > > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence because of > > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal > ..be > > that a positive or negative experience. > > just my 2c > > regards, > > Bob > Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched. > Bob, Junkies? That only serves to inflame.

I suppose it does if you extract and highlight the word from a long and thoughtful piece about the lonely plight of people suffering from "discontinuation syndrome". there is no longer much doubt that many people have been needlessly put into a state of harmful drug dependency and its only fairly recently that their situation has been acknowledged.. > As for news and discussion, I think we can have that without SSRI users > being referred to as junkies.

In an ideal world perhaps :>) had you had the experience and suffered the damage (BTW that you persist in mockingly dismissing as drunkeness) you too might be quite bitter about it..She speaks as an insider and a longtime SSRI user. Her _only_ intent was to inflame, IMO your personal antipathy and eagerness to align yourself with her enemies sways your judgement. you are mindreading as Ralph calls it.  but > defend her if you must.

Im suprised you havent noticed that I *havent* been doing such.. Its a rather important principle Im defending here.. That a truth shouldnt be stifled because the loudest voices find it unpalateable > Individual experiences true, but not the highly inflammatory 85 million > junkies.

I think you will find that the statement was that the 85 million prescriptions were potential roads to junkiedom. Its a bit disingenuous to suggest that a victims wish to prevent future victims.. is in some fashion insulting the victims.. If you came off your Jihad long enough to actually listen and understand..rather than scan text for juicy ammunition in your flamewar you might be a bit more compassionate.. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.And when you look in the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." Friedrich Nietzche – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> — > I hate to say it but I personally believe some of the ideas for > prescribing neuroleptics for aggression in non-psychotic cases stems > from the huge influx of jews in psychiatry.

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I think it is a degre to the suffering, when C’ella (Cruella?) is her sickest (imho) she goes on these rampages. Wasn’t Lynda on her kill file?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you > present.. > > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with > news > > and research results in these areas.. > > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence because > of > > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal > ..be > > that a positive or negative experience. > > just my 2c > > regards, > > Bob > Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched. > At the risk of being called a santimonious hypocrite I think anyone who > trolls a support group to personally abuse posters is out of order > regardless of diagnosis. > In terms of the difference.. it seems to me that people diagnosed as manic > can often cope better with flame wars and abuse..and even thrive and become > more invigorated with the conflict than can the severely depressed.. who > just become more depressed and give up and sink back into their lonely > shells..

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> I think it is a degre to the suffering, when C’ella (Cruella?) is her > sickest (imho) she goes on these rampages. Wasn’t Lynda on her kill file?

Im not getting into personalities Robert or joining your flame war.. Ill happily discuss the issues. You are in no position to call others cruel ..and enquiring minds are more interested in the issues raised by suffering "discontinuation syndrome" in isolation. smaller  minds are interested in point scoring ..thread derailing and personal attacks.. Its a serious and tragic plight for many and the newly available legal redress is no substitute for support. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you > > present.. > > > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > > > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete with > > news > > > and research results in these areas.. > > > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence > because > of > > > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are universal > > ..be > > > that a positive or negative experience. > > > just my 2c > > > regards, > > > Bob > > Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched. > At the risk of being called a santimonious hypocrite I think anyone who > trolls a support group to personally abuse posters is out of order > regardless of diagnosis. > In terms of the difference.. it seems to me that people diagnosed as manic > can often cope better with flame wars and abuse..and even thrive and > become > more invigorated with the conflict than can the severely depressed.. who > just become more depressed and give up and sink back into their lonely > shells..

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Im not getting into personalities Robert or joining your flame war.. >Ill happily discuss the issues. >You are in no position to call others cruel ..and enquiring minds are more >interested in the issues raised by suffering "discontinuation syndrome" in >isolation. >smaller  minds are interested in point scoring ..thread derailing and >personal attacks.. >Its a serious and tragic plight for many and the newly available legal >redress is no substitute for support. > Id like to know why Robert comes here specifically to harass Linda Gore. I dont > know what Linda ever did to Robert to make him harass her like a rabid dog as > he does.

I think he just supports Linda C right or wrong.. Its ridiculous. I get sick and tired of reading these cheesy back and > forth flame wars between Robert, Linda "Briteyes" and others and Linda Gore. > Its old…Im sick of it.

I know.. It gets so that us discussing or arguing about meds and their effects seems like a sideshow… or interuption to the personal abuse.. and there is no shame in saying if you are depressed you just cant cope with it.. there was a lot of good stuff you posted that I wanted to respond to from my POV  but you have to kind of pluck it out from the garbage personal abuse.. BTW what was the result with the new meds and that ? regards, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eric > Always take your drugs…LostBoyinNC > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think it is a degre to the suffering, when C’ella (Cruella?) is her > sickest (imho) she goes on these rampages. Wasn’t Lynda on her kill file? > Im not getting into personalities Robert or joining your flame war.. > Ill happily discuss the issues. > You are in no position to call others cruel ..and enquiring minds are more > interested in the issues raised by suffering "discontinuation syndrome" in > isolation. > smaller  minds are interested in point scoring ..thread derailing and > personal attacks.. > Its a serious and tragic plight for many and the newly available legal > redress is no substitute for support. > > > > Ironically this is EXACTLY Erics position and motivation that you > > > present.. > > > > IMO both percieved benefits and adversive side effects and > > > > potential dangers should be able to be freely discussed..complete > with > > > news > > > > and research results in these areas.. > > > > Discussion should not be stifled or people bullied into silence > because > > of > > > > mistaken views that individual experiences of medication are > universal > > > ..be > > > > that a positive or negative experience. > > > > just my 2c > > > > regards, > > > > Bob > > > Yes much like those bipolar trollers should not be squelched. > > At the risk of being called a santimonious hypocrite I think anyone who > > trolls a support group to personally abuse posters is out of order > > regardless of diagnosis. > > In terms of the difference.. it seems to me that people diagnosed as > manic > > can often cope better with flame wars and abuse..and even thrive and > become > > more invigorated with the conflict than can the severely depressed.. who > > just become more depressed and give up and sink back into their lonely > > shells..

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Don’t read em Eric, btw if you haven’t noticed I left the slice alone until _she_ attacked my friend. You do understand the concept of friendship don’t you Eric? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Im not getting into personalities Robert or joining your flame war.. >Ill happily discuss the issues. >You are in no position to call others cruel ..and enquiring minds are more >interested in the issues raised by suffering "discontinuation syndrome" in >isolation. >smaller  minds are interested in point scoring ..thread derailing and >personal attacks.. >Its a serious and tragic plight for many and the newly available legal >redress is no substitute for support. > Id like to know why Robert comes here specifically to harass Linda Gore. I dont > know what Linda ever did to Robert to make him harass her like a rabid dog as > he does. Its ridiculous. I get sick and tired of reading these cheesy back and > forth flame wars between Robert, Linda "Briteyes" and others and Linda Gore. > Its old…Im sick of it. > Eric > Always take your drugs…LostBoyinNC > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively

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> >BTW what was the result with the new meds and that ? > New med?

you were concerned you were going to go psychotic or something and took a break.. you said you were trying something new ? maybe I have got it wrong.. to do with your physical problems? regards, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eric > Always take your drugs…LostBoyinNC > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively

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That’s such bullshit Bob you fucking love the wars, your right there in the middle of all this pointing fingers naming names, "H" worrd inserted here.

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Don’t worry about it, Robert. Bob conveniently overlooks that this thread was started as nothing more than an attack, out of the blue, by one of his protected flock. > You are in no position to call others cruel

Well, I am, Bob. And she is. I won’t bore you with quotes, because you’ll ignore them anyway.

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Oh well ..back to the alice in wonderland logic where stating clearly that I will discuss the issues  but not the personalities proves Im flaming.. sigh.. > Don’t worry about it, Robert. Bob conveniently overlooks that this thread > was started as nothing more than an attack, out of the blue, by one of his > protected flock.

The title of the thread states fairly succintly what the piece is about.. and it actually summarises the experience of many sufferers particularly but not only.. long term Paxil users . An ABC medical journalist recently said pretty much the same.. In an email group Im in ..no less than four separate people tonight talked of how they and their relatives concerns were dismissed as imaginary or symptomatic of the ilness treated rather than the effect of the Paxil withdrawal that it later turned out to be.. Ill say the same to you as I said to Robert ..Im quite happy to discuss the issues which are important ones for many ..but Im not getting involved with your personality clashes.. Its ultimately pretty boring .. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > You are in no position to call others cruel > Well, I am, Bob. And she is. I won’t bore you with quotes, because you’ll > ignore them anyway.

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> Id like to know why Robert comes here specifically to harass Linda Gore. I dont > know what Linda ever did to Robert to make him harass her like a rabid dog as > he does. Its ridiculous. I get sick and tired of reading these cheesy back and > forth flame wars between Robert, Linda "Briteyes" and others and Linda Gore. > Its old…Im sick of it.

Maybe if she’d stop bashing his illness, yet rambling wild off topic herself. Just a thought. If so many people are flaming Linda, did you ever think it might be her? — I think to myself, "you stupid fuck nigger, you are in the USA and not Ghana or West Afrika. Why dont you wear the requisite clothing?

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>had you had the experience and suffered the damage (BTW that you persist in >mockingly dismissing as drunkeness) you too might be quite bitter about >it..She speaks as an insider and a longtime SSRI user. > Bob, I was offended. > If she wants to debate me on the merits, fine.

well I wish you or someone would instead of simply following mojos call to a personal flame war..  Calling everyone an > addict,

She didnt call everyone an addict at all thats a travesty of what she said..deliberately invoked to continue a pattern of personal attacks then poking fun at the meds that Fiona took for bipolar > crosses the line, period.

Fiona has said equally off-colour things to her.. things to her.. and no-one said a word about it .. as I read it it was a tongue in cheek reference to the meds inciting the grandiosity she was accused of.. Quickly and skilfully picked up on by "Mojo" whose only purpose here is to attack Linda and Eric.. > I have been an addict, and to compare that to SSRI usage is a joke, no > ifs, ands, or buts.

Well I have too and ..of itself ..heroin addiction does arguably much less harm..and to massively fewer numbers.. I realise addiction conjures up pictures of people scouring alleys to mug old ladies and people rolling about smoking crack cocaine but actually far more doctors and nurses are addicts than you might imagine and outwardly live quite respectable and unremarkable lives.. People in vast numbers are being given drugs that are quite innapropriate and find they are unable to come off them . Discontinuation syndrome is a more neutral term but many like the Paxil lawer feel its simply a word game.. If you cant function as a human being without a supply of a drug what would you call it? And this fate because you went to a GP complaining of shyness for example!! and he/she didnt inform of this because they didnt know themselves because all thr information comes from the drug company.. thats what makes people like me angry.. IMO thats the issue not petty bickering and personality clashes.. or who can be in whose gang.. regards, Bob > Sharon > He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears. – Michel de

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And forgeting to mention and I’m sure you’ll bring it up. Well I didnt :>) > Yes, I will challenge her mental status when she does that to me, or > BP’s in General. I will challenge her on her meds, when she does that. > If it’s good enough for her, surely you’ll support me.

Whats sauce for the goose is certainly sauce for the gander and  its another smear and travesty the suggestion that I support Linda in whatever she says ..put about by the very people who asked me to befriend her as a matter of fact.. If you look at what i have *actually* said as opposed to what certain people have implied I have said… you will notice I havent actually got involved at all.. Linda not only is quite capable of speaking for herself but actively dislikes her friends sticking up for her.. Maybe its because Im an aquarian but I tend to support ideas and principles more than the people making them as far as arguments go.. I know Bush has made it all the rage in America but Im not very keen on this "if your not with me your against me" business.. a long response again and possibly all I have to say on the matter.. Now I must sleep but I thought you deserved a considered answer as you seemed quite genuine .. regards, Bob > Sharon > He who fears he shall suffer, already suffers what he fears. – Michel de

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Hello Group, I don’t have insurance, so I pay for my fluoxetine (generic prozac) myself. Does anyone have any experience with buying their meds through the internet? Healthmeds.com sells 20 mg fluoxetine for less than $1 per unit.  That’s half what my local pharmacy charges. Comments welcome, Thanks

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The most reliable pharmacy is #1 Online Pharmacy.  I’ve gotten all my antidepressants from there (I live in US): http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showproducts.asp?gcode=005

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Thanks for the info!   Their prices are very low. You haven’t had any problems?   No problems with dosages being screwed up, or anything like that?    I’ve heard stories of internet drug companies selling sugar pills.

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> Thanks for the info!   Their prices are very low. > You haven’t had any problems?   No problems with dosages being screwed up, > or anything like that?    I’ve heard stories of internet drug companies > selling sugar pills. > The most reliable pharmacy is #1 Online Pharmacy.  I’ve gotten all my > antidepressants from there (I live in US): > http://www.1drugstore-online.com/showproducts.asp?gcode=005

I’ve been buying all my meds (bp, cholesterol, antidepressants) from drugstore.com.  Never had a problem.  They’re owned by Rite-Aid, so if you have one nearby you can pick it up at the store.

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I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I have experienced a lot more crying lately. Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? Thanks. Joey

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> Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa?

Yes, I had a similar experience to yours.  Celexa seemed to help me for a short while (couple of months or so) and then it seemed not to have any effect (positive or negative) after that.  I started out on 40mg a day and was on 60mg a day when my pdoc switched me to Paxil and Seroquel.  I weigh in at about 275 right now to give you somewhat of an idea of why my doses were what they were.

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I have had the same experience with all SSRIs. I cry constantly, hallucinate, feel paranoid and totally detached from my body. I tried to take Elavil again and had the same problem, so after 10 years of trying meds, I give up. There has to be another way for those of us who can’t tolerate meds.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 > mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take > at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with > depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have > been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was > working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I > have experienced a lot more crying lately. > Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? > Thanks. > Joey

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> I have been on Celexa now since November 15, 2001, and started at 10 > mg and slowly increased my dose.  I am now up to 40 mg, which I take > at bedtime.  Even though the Celexa is supposed to help with > depression, I have noticed that I have been crying more since I have > been on the Celexa.  I thought that for a while the Celexa was > working, however, I am beginning to think it isn’t working since I > have experienced a lot more crying lately. > Has anyone had any similar experiences while taking Celexa? > Thanks. > Joey

crying isn’t necessarily a good indicator of depression. when i’m deeply depressed, i don’t cry; i’m much too numb. for me, at least, crying is often a sign of recovery. -lisa

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It just made me numb most of the time. I did cry occasionally just becuase it didn’t matter if I cried or not. I’m just trying to get on without which is proberbly a bad idea but I prefer to feel depressed than not to feel …Groundhog

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I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who are on that dose and how you are doing? Thanks, Joey

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I’m taking Celexa 20mg since one month.  I fell better with this med than Paxil and Effexor. I take my med morning.  I have no inconvenient with this. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing?

I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. — David Chamberlain http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain — Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. — A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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my doc had me all the way up to 80,  and i have read after 40 there really isnt much more it can do but i could be wrong, but i had no side effects or relief at that matter. brian s. — Get 5 bucks free for signing up with the internets #1 e-payment service. https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=8YXF6QPBZH46C Check out my tape trading list below. .shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing? > I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice > anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for > my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was > good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. > So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. > — > David Chamberlain > http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain > — > Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening > presents and listen. > — > A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

Joey, I also just started on Celexa. I was using Effexor. The effexor was not working as well any longer and I wanted a change. My pdoc changed me to the Celexa. I’ve been taking it about 3 weeks now. I was very depressed 3 weeks ago. In fact attempted suicide. I didn’t think I’d ever feel better up until about 2 days ago. The medication is starting to kick in and I’m feeling much better. I’m on 30 mg and am grateful that I feel better. There have been many times in my life that I have questioned the "do I want to be on meds?" question. My answer is simple but complex. I want to be able to be "normal" but you know for me that’s not going to happen. It is a sadnes that I grieve over but have come to accept to some degree. I think that this is your question. Am I right? Well, I needed to determine the kind of like I wanted to live and with my depression/panic disorder/ptsd well I don’t function well without medications. So, I decided that rather than feel totally destroyed I take the medications, go to therapy and do the best I can. Your experience may or may not be the same. You have to decide what is right for you. mouse

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One of my problems is distinguishing between the depression and the anxiety.  Also, when you have been depressed for so long, it is sometimes hard to know what normal is when you have gotten used to the depression.  A good way of explaining this, especially in my case, is that prior to being treated for depression, I had five brain surgeries due to hydrocephalus and an arachnoid cyst on my optic nerve.  The symptoms that I was experiencing as a result of these problems included siezures, headaches, and short-term memory loss with the headaches getting worse.  Well, at different times, I recall going to the doctor and telling him that I had no headaches and was doing fine. However, after the appointment I would tell my parents (This all got diagnosed when I was 17), that I had a headache and didn’t know why I told the doctor otherwise.  What was happening in my case was that as the headaches got worse, my tolerance level for pain got higher and higher, so what used to be a painful headache wasn’t as painful.  I think the same thing has happened with the depression and the anxiety. With the headaches, my doctor had me keep a headache journal to track when I had headaches and how long.  I have been keeping a journal since I have started counseling and started on medication, but I am still struggling with the anxiety and worry. Joey

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS Newsgroups: tnn.test,alt.support.depression X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.vis i.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!op tus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemai l.com.au!not-for-mail This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take it regularly at the same time. As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it will be with you is to try it. Best wishes, Peter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey > From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters > whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take > it regularly at the same time. > As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found > that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the > higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage > I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on > the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals > react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it > will be with you is to try it. > Best wishes, > Peter.

I was prescribed Celexa 8 weeks ago. It is making me feel better than I ever felt. I feel normal. I had been on Paxil for a year, felt worse. I’ve been on Zoloft, Serzone , Prozac, and none made me feel better till Celexor. I take it every night and feel no side effects and no drowsiness at all. I have recently lost my son. Nove 9th he died and I handled it pretty well even though I cry at times. I believe Celexor helped me through it. Peace Joanne

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I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who are on that dose and how you are doing? Thanks, Joey

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I’m taking Celexa 20mg since one month.  I fell better with this med than Paxil and Effexor. I take my med morning.  I have no inconvenient with this. Aline – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing?

I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. — David Chamberlain http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain — Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening presents and listen. — A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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my doc had me all the way up to 80,  and i have read after 40 there really isnt much more it can do but i could be wrong, but i had no side effects or relief at that matter. brian s. — Get 5 bucks free for signing up with the internets #1 e-payment service. https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=8YXF6QPBZH46C Check out my tape trading list below. .shtml

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions > for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started > me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first > started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor > suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, > take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in > the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but > because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which > have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, > would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as > compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit > more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. > Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 > mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who > are on that dose and how you are doing? > I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice > anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for > my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was > good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. > So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. > — > David Chamberlain > http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain > — > Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening > presents and listen. > — > A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

Joey, I also just started on Celexa. I was using Effexor. The effexor was not working as well any longer and I wanted a change. My pdoc changed me to the Celexa. I’ve been taking it about 3 weeks now. I was very depressed 3 weeks ago. In fact attempted suicide. I didn’t think I’d ever feel better up until about 2 days ago. The medication is starting to kick in and I’m feeling much better. I’m on 30 mg and am grateful that I feel better. There have been many times in my life that I have questioned the "do I want to be on meds?" question. My answer is simple but complex. I want to be able to be "normal" but you know for me that’s not going to happen. It is a sadnes that I grieve over but have come to accept to some degree. I think that this is your question. Am I right? Well, I needed to determine the kind of like I wanted to live and with my depression/panic disorder/ptsd well I don’t function well without medications. So, I decided that rather than feel totally destroyed I take the medications, go to therapy and do the best I can. Your experience may or may not be the same. You have to decide what is right for you. mouse

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I’m up to 60 mg, going 10 mg at a time.  At 20 mg, I didn’t notice >anything.  At 40mg, I noticed a little less depression but no help for >my anxiety.  The doctor thought that 40 helping with the depression was >good news to we went to 60 to see if it would help the anxiety. >So far, the only negative side effect I’ve experienced is dry mouth. >– >David Chamberlain >http://www.dslnorthwest.net/~dchamberlain >– >Love is what’s in the room with you at Christmas if you stop opening >presents and listen. >– >A 9/11 Tribute — http://www.politicsandprotest.org/

One of my problems is distinguishing between the depression and the anxiety.  Also, when you have been depressed for so long, it is sometimes hard to know what normal is when you have gotten used to the depression.  A good way of explaining this, especially in my case, is that prior to being treated for depression, I had five brain surgeries due to hydrocephalus and an arachnoid cyst on my optic nerve.  The symptoms that I was experiencing as a result of these problems included siezures, headaches, and short-term memory loss with the headaches getting worse.  Well, at different times, I recall going to the doctor and telling him that I had no headaches and was doing fine. However, after the appointment I would tell my parents (This all got diagnosed when I was 17), that I had a headache and didn’t know why I told the doctor otherwise.  What was happening in my case was that as the headaches got worse, my tolerance level for pain got higher and higher, so what used to be a painful headache wasn’t as painful.  I think the same thing has happened with the depression and the anxiety. With the headaches, my doctor had me keep a headache journal to track when I had headaches and how long.  I have been keeping a journal since I have started counseling and started on medication, but I am still struggling with the anxiety and worry. Joey

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i have been on Celexa for about a year. i take 20mg daily.  i take mine before bedtime because it makes me sleepy.  i haven’t had any undesirable side effects, however i have noticed that the longer i have been on it, i have had trouble with muscle aches.  does anyone else?

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS

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Once you body is at a "steady state" with it it won’t make a lot of difference when you take the stuff. I’ll tell you what your shrink probably will: experiment a little and take it when it works best for you. I’ve found Celexa an effective medication but it is slower to work and doesn’t provide the same jolt as an increase in Zolft does, for instance. teh flip side is that Celexa doesn’t dampen my sex drive the way an equivalent dose of Zoloft did. It’s also slower to loose it’s effectiveness and require a dose adjustment. JCS Newsgroups: tnn.test,alt.support.depression X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 2 NNTP-Posting-Host: wonenara.ozemail.com.au Organization: OzEmail Ltd, Australia Distribution: world Path: news.sol.net!spool0-nwblwi.newsops.execpc.com!newsfeeds.sol.net!priapus.vis i.com!zeus.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!hermes.visi.com!news1.optus.net.au!op tus!yorrell.saard.net!duster.adelaide.on.net!newsfeed.ozemail.com.au!ozemai l.com.au!not-for-mail This message was cancelled from within Mozilla.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey

From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take it regularly at the same time. As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it will be with you is to try it. Best wishes, Peter.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I have been on celexa now for four weeks now and have some questions >for those in this newsgroup who also take Celexa.  My doctor started >me out on 10 mg and then slowly increased me to 20 mg.  When I first >started on it, I started taking it in the morning like my doctor >suggested, although she said that if it causes too much drowsiness, >take it before bedtime.  Actually, I had to switch from taking it in >the morning to taking it at bedtime not because of drowsiness, but >because of some of the other minor, inconvenient side effects, which >have sense gone away.  Anyway, now that my body is used to the 20 mg, >would I benefit from taking the Celexa earlier on in the day as >compared to taking it at bedtime.  In other words, would I benefit >more from taking it in the morning rather than at bedtime. >Also, my doctor is having me increase my dose slowly from 20 mg to 40 >mg and I was wanting to know if there are any others in this group who >are on that dose and how you are doing? >Thanks, >Joey > From what my doctor has told me I don’t think it really matters > whether you take Celexa in the morning or evening, as long as you take > it regularly at the same time. > As to your second question, I went from 20mg/day to 40/day and I found > that the higher dose was no more effective than the lower dose and the > higher dose made me too drowsy; after two months on the higher dosage > I reverted to 20mg/day and have been quite happy since – I’ve been on > the Celexa for about two years now.  However, different individuals > react differently to each drug so the only sure way to find out how it > will be with you is to try it. > Best wishes, > Peter.

I was prescribed Celexa 8 weeks ago. It is making me feel better than I ever felt. I feel normal. I had been on Paxil for a year, felt worse. I’ve been on Zoloft, Serzone , Prozac, and none made me feel better till Celexor. I take it every night and feel no side effects and no drowsiness at all. I have recently lost my son. Nove 9th he died and I handled it pretty well even though I cry at times. I believe Celexor helped me through it. Peace Joanne

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> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

Yes. I started missing periods on Tegretol. Missed periods while taking Ativan or Xanax with Zoloft. Now I’m just taking 200 mg Zoloft and seem to be back on schedule. Or is it menopause?  I dunno. — Wordy "Be who you are and say what you feel,  because those who mind don’t matter,…  and those who matter don’t mind." –Dr. Seuss

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lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: TelstraSaturn > Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic > Underneath all the issues, I like to think I’m pretty smart. > Having said that, there are some things I just can’t answer. > Thanks for reminding me of that fact ;-D > Hugs > Bruce > do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

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> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

hmm, no, but i can say that the pill tends to make my moods a bit more stable. or that could’ve just been coincidence. who knows at this point. maybe the bipolar makes my hormones go rampant, not the other way around. who knows. who knows.

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> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

i think its a known side effect of a lot of meds… which ones are you taking? ssris tend to do that… hugs m — ~~~~~>><:>~~~~~ iriXx "you can try the best you can…   you can try the best you can… …the best you can is good enough" radiohead: optomistic

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hai Alexia, -I’m loosing hair because of Depakote (I can’t see it when I look in the mirror, but I definetly see it on my bathroom floor.. – Risperdal made me producing milk, like being pregnant – Depakote is changing my size of bra I guess, two weeks a months, before Depakote, that happened two days a month, but I might be wrong.. Marie-Elise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

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do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to meds? i get pms more and more and ms less and less hmmmm (my hair has gotten straighter too)

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Underneath all the issues, I like to think I’m pretty smart. Having said that, there are some things I just can’t answer. Thanks for reminding me of that fact ;-D Hugs Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to >meds? >i get pms more and more and ms less and less >hmmmm >(my hair has gotten straighter too)

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