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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Isn’t it amazing, how our bodies seem to crave the item which will >best help counteract something else going on. I know Tourette is a >neurological disorder not a psychiatric one, but I’m leaning a bit >towards thinking that all psychiatric problems have a biophysical >bases whether genetically passed on or asurbation during >infancy/childhood development. > I do think a lot of people with psych symptoms have biological disease, > inciting such. How could I not, being I am one of them. Eric is probably one > of them, LarryH is another,etc etc.Lot of the ladies who email me because its > so unsafe to post to this NG also suffer bio incited psych > symptoms ..hypothyroidism, hormonal imbalances..food allergies..etc etc.’ > But, how can bio-physical explain what ails the people like the "Groupies" > bedeviling this NG, right now? .
I’m thinking they need some kind of stroking, some people when they can’t get their needs met by being positive … do something negative to get attention. I think this too is a biological problem, you know, like needing 4 hugs a day to survive. These computer are now an extension of our bodies (fingers touching keys – I’ve noticed when I’m writing about something that I really excited about (good or bad) I press harder on the keys. Or if writing to someone I care deeply about I have a lighter touch. Maybe, just maybe, the people you speak of have no other outlet for the emotional feelings. IMHO, it might be better to release their negative feelings on a NG … where, the chances are, you will never know or meet the others reading your messages as opposed to talking to people in their own household, support systems, or communities. > I dont think biology explains their madness. I think there are people who > lack a soul, spirituality, heart, and are evil, and hateful…and driven mad > eventually by their lack of soul, spirituality, heart, morality, eithcs.. > They come here solely to try to pass their hateful ness on, to trigger the > very vulnerable people here… with psych symptoms found no successful way of > treating…because their so so so so very hatefull and sick from lack of > soul.
And others might be doing it for pure entertainment, which could also be a physical need. Coming from a foo, where chaos was a the lifestyles, I have been condition towards having chaos in my life. I found, what most people strive for peace and harmony in my household to be BORING. Perhaps, these people need to stir up trouble to address this need, for their own comfortability. DBT, especially the Interpersonal Skills have helped me in regards to this area Objective, Relationship or Self Respect???? But it still, circles back to a physical sensation, an adrenaline rush for first putting the nonsense out there and then another rush, when someone else picks up on it and replies. > You see there are NG for emotional support and socializing…but they cant cut > it in such NG…they dont have the self esteem from doing good to succeed in > their own NG…so we get them here…where people are having great difficulty > stablizing at meds…and they can mess with them to increase their sagging > self esteem and socialize with each other about hwo "clever" they are in > their abuse and cruelty to people suffering.. > One of these days, I am going to research this kind of mental
illness > displayed by people desiring to help other people … OUT of their mind… > especially the abnormal psyches of people attracted to work with ill people, > cause I am beginning to suspect theres some real severe psychological issues > motivating such! That people choosing such a career are sicker than the dang > patients..I am suspecting..way they behave in these parts.. The issue of who are these mental health professionals and why did they choose this profession keeps coming up in my conversations these day. At the last three grand rounds I’ve attended, they have mentioned that people with mental health issues or people who come from foo with mental health issues have a tendency to be drawn into the field. Usually for very honorable reasons, to help mankind or to figure out how to cure/help their families or others like them … but the come with baggage. I read somewhere, that all psych???? use to go into therapy themselves as part of their residency training – to get awareness of their own issues for transference sake. I think this is also a great idea, but I’m not sure if they are still doing this … I just assume each psych??? professional I come across has these issues and really think about everything they suggest for help, therapy, medications …. paranoia, maybe – but I’ve survived this far. > sorry, I have them all killfiled..but see some of their BS posts when people I > dont have killfiled, quote them..and have to vent about the evil they do here! > .
I don’t have a problem with them so far, as I’m mostly here to communicate with you and to share the DBT and medication history. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I was just reading in one of the messages, that eating chicken, turkey >were good to ease some symptoms – tomatoes have had a breakthrough as >some miracle food for cancer, Japanese diets of fish, shows other >studies. I like all of the above foods, especially tomatoes so I’m >just going to trust my body to tell me which foods to eat. Just like >the pretzel / potatoe chips (salt) being a calming factor for some >people. > I knew you like tomatos. >I’m not saying food is the "cure all" but it could be an important >link. > I am determined to puzzle it out, or die doing so, if one of the cyber > psychopaths dont kill me for trying.. > Originally, someone referred me to this NG because I become so disillusioned > with the med treatments and I wanted to know what the heck was up with the > meds.. > Not so much for my sake. I was so disillusioned, and feeling so hopeless > about my case, I given up that anything would help me. > but, for my sons sake. He is well, because i create an emotionally safe > environment and make sure anyone whose care and custody he is in, does so as > well. > Eventually though, I will not be able to demand an emotionally safe > environment be provided him and if hes traumatized he could be thrown into a > tail spin.
Kids, will do that to you. My oldest son is taking Psychology and Philosophy in college (what a combination) he is very interested in what makes people tick. He’s still working on his paternal side, Dad has SAD, his paternal grandfather was abandoned at a young age and paternal grmother heavy into alcohol, very demanding woman – lost her mind in her later years. He’s trying to piece together, why??? He’s come to realize his genetic makeup has him set up for a prediliction towards alcohol, but it doesn’t keep him from partying. But at least, he’s aware of the problem – gone are the days of hiding everything in the closets. > So when all seemed lost for me..I decided to research all this, find out what > the heck causes these things, and why meds became such a problem for me..for > my sons sake…so if anything could be done to spare him. clinical > depressions and the stress, etc..I wanted to see to it it was done. > I WANT TO KNOW what ails us.
One of the things, I’m learning in DBT ’radical acceptance’ has me leaning towards the fact, that science of the brain is not at a point, where it can explained to me, satisfactually or anyone else for that matter – what produces some kinds of dysfunctioning. Maybe someday, but then, my concern is what are they going to do with that information. Insurance rates, categories people by illness and do what … infringe on their right to the pursuit of happiness. IMHO there are so many variables to genetics and environmental stimulus that can go wrong … so it was wrong, it happened, but how much energy do I want to put into it today. I’m hoping to take a more positive view, even as we face terriorist happenstances and do what I can for my family and loved ones, especially eating and serving alot of tomatoes 
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Cause whatever it is can eventually get to be very impairing especially if > there unusual amount of stress for any length of time. > But, I am actually beginning to believe there may even be some help for me > after all…. > And I believe most of it going to come from diet, and dietary > supplements…and learning I might be allergic to certain foods.. etc etc.. > Theres thinking the Tourettes is a food allergy thing too! > I forget, I think wheat, or perhaps what they make spaghetti out of…either > way I play it safe with low carb diet..and THAT HELPS, so does NO SUGAR.. > Its putting it all together…finding all the pieces..thats so hard.. > Like I increased the B6 bigtime last week..and now I crave more foods on my > low carb, no sugar diet. > . > makes it easier to stick to..you know? > weird.. > I keep trying new antidepressants too, because I wouldnt mind breaking through > the depression but, only if they are different than the ones I already had > problems with.. .so I havent totally given up on meds either while obsessed on > this research mission.. > Even though we have to suffer the GROUPIES here..most articles about meds, or > latest supplements etc, touted gets discussed..here , so its still > worthwhile > to keep at it, when its not just me will benefit, but my son, hopefully, > eventually, if he winds up with similiar kinds of problems susceptibility to
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >I haven’t looked into Tourette for the symptoms and how caffeine / > >smoking might interact with these things … in my case, having > >stopped caffeine two years the doctors have nothing to have me account > >for other than high bad cholestrol counts = need for more exercise. > >I keep looking at those new gadgets they have on TV (patches with > >wires) that are suppose to work your muscles while you sit and relax > >….. hmmmm > >So does anyone have the symptoms for Tourettes and the criterias for > >BPD handy for us to take a look at? > >Take care, > >Therese > Nicotine is thought to be the best way to ameilorate manifestation of > symptoms of Tourettes by every neuropsychiatrist and neurologist I spoken > to, and I have posted study after study which has born their opinion out.. > Though its known to be the best…it be blashphemous for medical doctors to > give anyone suffering Tourettes nicotine in our society…and they be > lynched for givng nicotine to children.. > The thing about Tourettes is, in order to be diagnosed you have to manifest > in the presence of a doctor who knows what it is if he sees it. > Easier said then done, if you have positive feelings for doctors and totally > relax on doctors visits, and you pass those positive feelings on to your > child so he would normally never manifest in a clinical setting! > Which is why the average age of onset of tourettes is age 6 1/2, while the > average age of dx is 11! > Its very frustrating…I knew there was something off, and I take my son to > be evaluated once a yar from age 6 to 9, and be told he was perfectly normal > in every way. > but, I didnt believe them. and I will tell you why. My son was/is extremely > athletic and competitive and wants to play sports more than any other boy. > He would not do anything voluntarily to get himself benched. Yet, he be > playing baseball. or whatever and all the sudden he vocalize things would > get him benched if anyone but me heard what he said! And, it made no sense, > if you knew your son never say such things. to begin wiht, and would most > definitely not say such things on the baseball field and there he be..saying > the damdest things inane, mostly but sometimes if he mimiced the other teams > unsportsmanlike things said..not nice things.. > So I took my son back again..and when they told me once again nothing was > wrong..I told them I wanted him seen every week, for observation and if no > treatment was indicated they could place Chess with him! Which is what the > doctor did! Eventually the doctor got good enough to challenge my son at > the game…and my son was losing this one game and he had allergies, and the > doctor teased him about something. and then FIMALLY my son manifested in a > clinical stting! > And I was able to get him treated fairly early, and all ended well. > Now, the thing about me is…I began smoking cigarettes at the age of 10, > and have smoked on and off ever since…anytime I am the least bit agitated > I smoke, if not agitated I quit smoking…as I hate it so much. > . If nicotine so ameliorates manifestation of symptoms of tourettes. guess > what.. I been self medicating since age 10, or I began manifesting! > And I think becuse what ever I have is some sort of atypical neurological > kind…I get the paradoxical result on SSRIs and the mysterious reverse > effect so some weird OCD is activated on SSRIs most especially when my > physical condition is under stress by pMS… > But because I smoked cigarettes to calm agitation from the very age I would > have manifested had I not…this has gone missed…missed missed..missed… > It didnt matter until I took the SSRIs, becaue my symptoms were so mild > until then, they wouldnt have treated the Tourettes if I had it… > so the problems only arose when they gave me meds for my depression, when > maybe I hae TS, and with that, the SSRIs activated the kind of OCD > accompanies Tourettes which is very differnt than normal OCD…. > First time I looked at the list of symptoms of TS was with my SO and we both > saw immediately I do more of those things than my son, who been dx’d > And I think the SSRIs really hurt me..cause I have this other thing going > on..neurologically… > fo course I could be totally wrong..and will probably never know, because I > so relax when I go to any doctors…I never going to manifest symptoms of my > problemos… > so I am screwed… > .
Isn’t it amazing, how our bodies seem to crave the item which will best help counteract something else going on. I know Tourette is a neurological disorder not a psychiatric one, but I’m leaning a bit towards thinking that all psychiatric problems have a biophysical bases whether genetically passed on or asurbation during infancy/childhood development. I was just reading in one of the messages, that eating chicken, turkey were good to ease some symptoms – tomatoes have had a breakthrough as some miracle food for cancer, Japanese diets of fish, shows other studies. I like all of the above foods, especially tomatoes so I’m just going to trust my body to tell me which foods to eat. Just like the pretzel / potatoe chips (salt) being a calming factor for some people. I’m not saying food is the "cure all" but it could be an important link. Take care of yourself, Therese
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > If I were to make use of DBT it would be for goals like. PLEASE stuff, > regulate sleep. Or very specific characteristics I want to LOSE, idealizing > people…histrionics..etc. > I am not good at taking instruction, taking directions, taking suggestions > from others, but give me a textbook or a workbook to selfeducate, self > learn…I am very good at. > DBT might work for me. > I want to exercise more control over my life…take more charge…stop > letting things happen.. > Prioritize ,,,structure…and being depressed for awhile..I am overwhelmed > by all I need to do to do that..but maybe with a workbook…to structure it > all I can get from here…to where I want to get to…
So those would be what I’d list on the columns to keep track of, explaining to yourself the situation on the reverse side of the paper. Sometimes you get to see patterns, as to how you’ve gotten to that same old place once more … after learning the skills, you’d start labeling the skill used to not react in a way to be sorry with later. These too, when charted started a pattern also, it became very apparent which skills were the most helpful with different individuals and now I automatically go to that group of skills to deal with those individuals. I not sure how this message got under this heading, thought I had it somewhere else … does this NG burp much? Take care of yourself, Therese – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> .. > Take care of yourself, > Therese
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well, Im no expert whatsoever on Tourettes, however Ive been told I very well >might have it. Maybe a mild case of it. The general rule is that dopamine >increasing drugs may make it worse. Thats why Linda mentioned psychiatrists >dont give Ritalin to kids with Tourettes. >Im dont think caffeine or nicotine spikes dopamine bad enough to have much of >an effect on Tourettes, it might in some cases who knows. Only a doctor would >be able to tell you for sure. >Tourettes is a rather bizarre and to some…scary neurological condition. It >involves involuntary tics and movements along with involuntary >vocalisations…coughing, snorting, blurting out profanity the person doesnt >mean to say. And this generally gets worse with stress and gets better when the >person is relaxed. >Tourettes is also related to OCD and many with Tourettes have OCD. The usual >treatment for Tourettes the way I understand it is atypical anti-psychotic >drugs and also the blood pressure med Clonidine.
It’s funny but my brother and father have ocd tendencies, but they have never shown any bipolar leanings, Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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>>It’s funny but my brother and father have ocd tendencies, but they >have never shown any bipolar leanings, >Lots of people have OCD, my sister had it bad she was on Luvox for it. It has >varying degrees of severity.
I was talking with my ex next door neighbor and he is seeing an md (i know) for depression and they have come up with the idea that he is ocd. Which he is with bells on, they are going to try treating it with ssri’s. He has already been on Prozac and now Zoloft, I told him I thought Paxil was indicated for ocd tendencies. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I was talking with my ex next door neighbor and he is seeing an md (i >know) for depression and they have come up with the idea that he is >ocd. Which he is with bells on, they are going to try treating it with >ssri’s. He has already been on Prozac and now Zoloft, I told him I >thought Paxil was indicated for ocd tendencies. >Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. >—–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– >http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >—–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—– >Robert, all of the SSRIs are used to treat OCD.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >One of the skills taught in Dialectic Behavior Training created by > >Marsha Linehan is to keep a daily account on things. The top of the > >chart lists: > >Alchohol (specify) > >Over the counter Meds (specify) > >Prescription Medications (specify) > >Street/Illicit Drugs (specify) > >Suicidal Ideation (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad > >or afraid) > >Misery (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or > >afraid) > >Self Harm (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or > >afraid) > >Used Skills (rate 0-7) > > 0 = Not thought about or used > > 1 = Thought about, not used, didn’t want to > > 2 = Thought about, not used, wanted to > > 3 = Tried but couldn’t use them > > 4 = Tried, could do them but they didn’t help > > 5 = Tried, could use them, helped > > 6 = Didn’t try, used them, they didn’t help > > 7 = Didn’t try, used them, helped > >When I first started the classes, I was on medications, so I kept > >track … also tracked my intake of caffeine and salt / sugar intake. > >In relation to whatever was needed, so anything that I felt would > >affect my physical being. > >Now the top of my diary card lists: > >Physical (rate 0-5) specify > >Eating (rate 0-5) specify > >Alter Drug (rate 0-5) specify > >Sleeping (rate 0-5) specify > >Exercise (rate 0-5) specify > >Suicidal Ideation / Misery columns (rate 0-5) mad, glad, sad or > >afraid > >Relationships Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken > >Future Goals Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken > >Mastered today Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken > >I was able to eliminate alot of the original from the list, as I > >became more aware of what effects these took on me. > >Now with the PLEASE MASTER (P)hysica(L), (E)ating, (A)lter, (S)leep, > >(E)xercise > >and MASTER I learning a more healthy lifestyle all together (mental > >dx, or not) > >and feel much accomplishments when I’ve mastered some of the future > >goals, I’ve set for myself. Some of these goals started out really > >small, like getting out of bed before noon or finishing one of the > >many books by my bedside. > >With this therapy, as you can see from the tracking – it is not > >discouraging medications (however you came by them), but just opening > >your awareness to what you are doing to your body and how there may be > >patterns to your ups and downs. > >I’ll write more later, kids have a Halloween party to get ready for > >… > >Take care of yourselves, > >Therese > I wonder how one could adapt it some to their disorder… > i can clearly see how this relates to BPD, and the symptoms of it, as I > understand BPD.. > I dont do any of that stuff, alchohol, or street drugs, and AD’s only when > absoltuely necessary cause I am clinically depressed, I dont have nor have I > ever had suicidal ideations except one night right when I began prozac the > second time, and I was given horrific news in the middle of the night about a > relative committing suicide..and for some reason the very suggestion cause me > to ideate bout suicide myself that night..somehow I knew it wasn me , but the > drug. and called a suicded hotline…got some lady who pissed me off. and so > angry I stopped ideating about suicide… > One of my (many) theories is I have Tourettes, and nicotine is known to > ameilorate the manifestation of symptoms of Tourettes. > I took up was gambling, but not any old kind of gambling, specificly poker. > Again, I think I gambled owing to inner restlessness and extreme agitation that > the white noise in the casino would quell and quiet. > Unless I was pmsing and on an SSRI, I rarely lost any money, I was lucky and > eventually good. even wnen pmsing and on SSRIs, I might lose, or I might > win…just more either way than normal. What always piss me off about what > occurred while pmsing on SSRIs sometimes, was not that I lost, but that my > self discipline broke down and I taken more risks than I normally would.. > I still never crossed any lines with my gambling…always very very cognizant > of the LINE, when it came to gambling..and my need to remain on this side of > it..I most definitely did not want to really HURT myself…gambling…ever, and > sometimes I did a little, but overall I made sure I was in the win > column…least monetarily…but I quit because its such a degenerate thing to > do, ..play a silly game all that time..adn I couldnt reconcile doing it any > more even if I got so agitated…and knew it quell and quiet me.. > Now i spend all my time obsessing about my depression, the meds, > treatments…etc. > LOL > So I guess the way I have to use, the BPD is to curb my time spent on line, > obsessing over depression, the meds, treatments etc.. > LOL… > I looked at the other symptoms of BPD, and only one I really related to some > was sometimes I idealize people…only to be disappointed nearly every time..I > like to cease idealizing ANYONE…too.. >I don’t have the criteria’s of BPD in front of me, but that last one >you mention about idealizing people until they disappoint you is what >they call black / white thinking (hence dialectic) is there any other >part of your life where something is either all good or all bad. >I’ve changed the charting to read what I want to keep track of … I >don’t spend too much time on the diagnostic web sites, so they don’t >really bother me too much – psychdoc warned me about the sites along >time ago. But I sure do use the internet for gathering info on the >different ideas the psychprofessionals suggest and also for looking up >their backgrounds. Sometimes I even email them something new, like >the women’s caution gender/meds article. >One column that has never changed on my sheet, is Relationships: I >just recently had the mother of a classmate of my daughters come upto >the curb, practically foaming at the mouth because my daughter won’t >talk to her daughter. >She was very loud and kept getting in my personal space, my daughter >stayed behind me as the woman kept lounging at her. I listened and >did my best not to space out (disassociate) and calming explained the >rules of basketball to her – as this is where the incident started >when her daughter trip, my other daughter on a basketball court at >school. These girls had been friends but my daughter has told her >friends time and time again, if they talk badly about or pick on any >of her sisters – that’s it, don’t expect me to continue being your >friend. >And this girl crossed the line as far as my daughter was concerned, >the woman was miffed and didn’t like zero tolerance. >After everything was explained and the woman left, my daughter thanked >me for being there – that felt good, but as soon as she went, I >started getting physically ill. Spinning, nauseous, ruminating and >flashbacks from my childhood were going through my brain – before I >would just thought, oh no … here we go again. But this time I was >able to use the DBT skills - Identify & Interpret the event relating >it to a past trauma in my life, I tried using Teflon Mind … but the >physical sensations of wanting to run away (fight/flight syndrome) >were still to strong. I went in and took a shower, crying my eyes out >(Participate skill)- trying to shake the feelings of being attacked. >I told the kids I was going to see a movie (selfsoothing) and went out >for a while. Upon return, I went to bed early telling myself, this >too, shall pass (Cheerleading / Wise Mind) >So I got through this episode without making things worst, my daughter >was happy and I contacted the school the next day, to ask about this >woman and her daughter. From what I gathered, I did the right thing >as she has a history, at the school and they won’t talk to her without >a psychiatrist present. >But what I’m trying to say, is the daily charting can be used for >positive things also Mad, Sad, Afraid and don’t forget GLAD …. >I know my therapist likes it, when I come in with all these GLADs >written all over the place. You can have any dx and catergorize your >feelings as Mad, Sad, Afraid or Glad. I can look up the BPD >criteria, if you need more insight in that area though. >Take care of yourself, >Therese
Your a very interesting person Therese, that was an enjoyable read, I shiver to think what my reaction would have been to stimulus like that. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–== Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One of my (many) theories is I have Tourettes, and nicotine is known to >ameilorate the manifestation of symptoms of Tourettes. > Nicotine increases dopamine. So does caffeine. Both of these drugs are mild > stimulants and we all know that stimulant drugs are dopaminergic. People who > smoke a lot and who are heavy coffee drinkers tend to have lower rates of > Parkinsons disease, as the theory is that heavy smoking and coffee drinking > keeps the dopamine flowing. > Eric > All Psychiatrists should first be trained as Neurologists. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm
I haven’t looked into Tourette for the symptoms and how caffeine / smoking might interact with these things … in my case, having stopped caffeine two years the doctors have nothing to have me account for other than high bad cholestrol counts = need for more exercise. I keep looking at those new gadgets they have on TV (patches with wires) that are suppose to work your muscles while you sit and relax ….. hmmmm So does anyone have the symptoms for Tourettes and the criterias for BPD handy for us to take a look at? Take care, Therese
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->One of the skills taught in Dialectic Behavior Training created by >Marsha Linehan is to keep a daily account on things. The top of the >chart lists: >Alchohol (specify) >Over the counter Meds (specify) >Prescription Medications (specify) >Street/Illicit Drugs (specify) >Suicidal Ideation (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad >or afraid) >Misery (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or >afraid) >Self Harm (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or >afraid) >Used Skills (rate 0-7) > 0 = Not thought about or used > 1 = Thought about, not used, didn’t want to > 2 = Thought about, not used, wanted to > 3 = Tried but couldn’t use them > 4 = Tried, could do them but they didn’t help > 5 = Tried, could use them, helped > 6 = Didn’t try, used them, they didn’t help > 7 = Didn’t try, used them, helped >When I first started the classes, I was on medications, so I kept >track … also tracked my intake of caffeine and salt / sugar intake. >In relation to whatever was needed, so anything that I felt would >affect my physical being. >Now the top of my diary card lists: >Physical (rate 0-5) specify >Eating (rate 0-5) specify >Alter Drug (rate 0-5) specify >Sleeping (rate 0-5) specify >Exercise (rate 0-5) specify >Suicidal Ideation / Misery columns (rate 0-5) mad, glad, sad or >afraid >Relationships Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken >Future Goals Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken >Mastered today Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken >I was able to eliminate alot of the original from the list, as I >became more aware of what effects these took on me. >Now with the PLEASE MASTER (P)hysica(L), (E)ating, (A)lter, (S)leep, >(E)xercise >and MASTER I learning a more healthy lifestyle all together (mental >dx, or not) >and feel much accomplishments when I’ve mastered some of the future >goals, I’ve set for myself. Some of these goals started out really >small, like getting out of bed before noon or finishing one of the >many books by my bedside. >With this therapy, as you can see from the tracking – it is not >discouraging medications (however you came by them), but just opening >your awareness to what you are doing to your body and how there may be >patterns to your ups and downs. >I’ll write more later, kids have a Halloween party to get ready for >… >Take care of yourselves, >Therese > I wonder how one could adapt it some to their disorder… > i can clearly see how this relates to BPD, and the symptoms of it, as I > understand BPD.. > I dont do any of that stuff, alchohol, or street drugs, and AD’s only when > absoltuely necessary cause I am clinically depressed, I dont have nor have I > ever had suicidal ideations except one night right when I began prozac the > second time, and I was given horrific news in the middle of the night about a > relative committing suicide..and for some reason the very suggestion cause me > to ideate bout suicide myself that night..somehow I knew it wasn me , but the > drug. and called a suicded hotline…got some lady who pissed me off. and so > angry I stopped ideating about suicide… > One of my (many) theories is I have Tourettes, and nicotine is known to > ameilorate the manifestation of symptoms of Tourettes. > I took up was gambling, but not any old kind of gambling, specificly poker. > Again, I think I gambled owing to inner restlessness and extreme agitation that > the white noise in the casino would quell and quiet. > Unless I was pmsing and on an SSRI, I rarely lost any money, I was lucky and > eventually good. even wnen pmsing and on SSRIs, I might lose, or I might > win…just more either way than normal. What always piss me off about what > occurred while pmsing on SSRIs sometimes, was not that I lost, but that my > self discipline broke down and I taken more risks than I normally would.. > I still never crossed any lines with my gambling…always very very cognizant > of the LINE, when it came to gambling..and my need to remain on this side of > it..I most definitely did not want to really HURT myself…gambling…ever, and > sometimes I did a little, but overall I made sure I was in the win > column…least monetarily…but I quit because its such a degenerate thing to > do, ..play a silly game all that time..adn I couldnt reconcile doing it any > more even if I got so agitated…and knew it quell and quiet me.. > Now i spend all my time obsessing about my depression, the meds, > treatments…etc. > LOL > So I guess the way I have to use, the BPD is to curb my time spent on line, > obsessing over depression, the meds, treatments etc.. > LOL… > I looked at the other symptoms of BPD, and only one I really related to some > was sometimes I idealize people…only to be disappointed nearly every time..I > like to cease idealizing ANYONE…too..
I don’t have the criteria’s of BPD in front of me, but that last one you mention about idealizing people until they disappoint you is what they call black / white thinking (hence dialectic) is there any other part of your life where something is either all good or all bad. I’ve changed the charting to read what I want to keep track of … I don’t spend too much time on the diagnostic web sites, so they don’t really bother me too much – psychdoc warned me about the sites along time ago. But I sure do use the internet for gathering info on the different ideas the psychprofessionals suggest and also for looking up their backgrounds. Sometimes I even email them something new, like the women’s caution gender/meds article. One column that has never changed on my sheet, is Relationships: I just recently had the mother of a classmate of my daughters come upto the curb, practically foaming at the mouth because my daughter won’t talk to her daughter. She was very loud and kept getting in my personal space, my daughter stayed behind me as the woman kept lounging at her. I listened and did my best not to space out (disassociate) and calming explained the rules of basketball to her – as this is where the incident started when her daughter trip, my other daughter on a basketball court at school. These girls had been friends but my daughter has told her friends time and time again, if they talk badly about or pick on any of her sisters – that’s it, don’t expect me to continue being your friend. And this girl crossed the line as far as my daughter was concerned, the woman was miffed and didn’t like zero tolerance. After everything was explained and the woman left, my daughter thanked me for being there – that felt good, but as soon as she went, I started getting physically ill. Spinning, nauseous, ruminating and flashbacks from my childhood were going through my brain – before I would just thought, oh no … here we go again. But this time I was able to use the DBT skills - Identify & Interpret the event relating it to a past trauma in my life, I tried using Teflon Mind … but the physical sensations of wanting to run away (fight/flight syndrome) were still to strong. I went in and took a shower, crying my eyes out (Participate skill)- trying to shake the feelings of being attacked. I told the kids I was going to see a movie (selfsoothing) and went out for a while. Upon return, I went to bed early telling myself, this too, shall pass (Cheerleading / Wise Mind) So I got through this episode without making things worst, my daughter was happy and I contacted the school the next day, to ask about this woman and her daughter. From what I gathered, I did the right thing as she has a history, at the school and they won’t talk to her without a psychiatrist present. But what I’m trying to say, is the daily charting can be used for positive things also Mad, Sad, Afraid and don’t forget GLAD …. I know my therapist likes it, when I come in with all these GLADs written all over the place. You can have any dx and catergorize your feelings as Mad, Sad, Afraid or Glad. I can look up the BPD criteria, if you need more insight in that area though. Take care of yourself, Therese
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One of the skills taught in Dialectic Behavior Training created by Marsha Linehan is to keep a daily account on things. The top of the chart lists: Alchohol (specify) Over the counter Meds (specify) Prescription Medications (specify) Street/Illicit Drugs (specify) Suicidal Ideation (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or afraid) Misery (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or afraid) Self Harm (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or afraid) Used Skills (rate 0-7) 0 = Not thought about or used 1 = Thought about, not used, didn’t want to 2 = Thought about, not used, wanted to 3 = Tried but couldn’t use them 4 = Tried, could do them but they didn’t help 5 = Tried, could use them, helped 6 = Didn’t try, used them, they didn’t help 7 = Didn’t try, used them, helped When I first started the classes, I was on medications, so I kept track … also tracked my intake of caffeine and salt / sugar intake. In relation to whatever was needed, so anything that I felt would affect my physical being. Now the top of my diary card lists: Physical (rate 0-5) specify Eating (rate 0-5) specify Alter Drug (rate 0-5) specify Sleeping (rate 0-5) specify Exercise (rate 0-5) specify Suicidal Ideation / Misery columns (rate 0-5) mad, glad, sad or afraid Relationships Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken Future Goals Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken Mastered today Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken I was able to eliminate alot of the original from the list, as I became more aware of what effects these took on me. Now with the PLEASE MASTER (P)hysica(L), (E)ating, (A)lter, (S)leep, (E)xercise and MASTER I learning a more healthy lifestyle all together (mental dx, or not) and feel much accomplishments when I’ve mastered some of the future goals, I’ve set for myself. Some of these goals started out really small, like getting out of bed before noon or finishing one of the many books by my bedside. With this therapy, as you can see from the tracking – it is not discouraging medications (however you came by them), but just opening your awareness to what you are doing to your body and how there may be patterns to your ups and downs. I’ll write more later, kids have a Halloween party to get ready for … Take care of yourselves, Therese
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >One of the skills taught in Dialectic Behavior Training created by >Marsha Linehan is to keep a daily account on things. The top of the >chart lists: >Alchohol (specify) >Over the counter Meds (specify) >Prescription Medications (specify) >Street/Illicit Drugs (specify) >Suicidal Ideation (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad >or afraid) >Misery (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or >afraid) >Self Harm (rate 0-5) and describe emotion (sad, mad, glad or >afraid) >Used Skills (rate 0-7) > 0 = Not thought about or used > 1 = Thought about, not used, didn’t want to > 2 = Thought about, not used, wanted to > 3 = Tried but couldn’t use them > 4 = Tried, could do them but they didn’t help > 5 = Tried, could use them, helped > 6 = Didn’t try, used them, they didn’t help > 7 = Didn’t try, used them, helped >When I first started the classes, I was on medications, so I kept >track … also tracked my intake of caffeine and salt / sugar intake. >In relation to whatever was needed, so anything that I felt would >affect my physical being. >Now the top of my diary card lists: >Physical (rate 0-5) specify >Eating (rate 0-5) specify >Alter Drug (rate 0-5) specify >Sleeping (rate 0-5) specify >Exercise (rate 0-5) specify >Suicidal Ideation / Misery columns (rate 0-5) mad, glad, sad or >afraid >Relationships Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken >Future Goals Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken >Mastered today Urges rate (0-5)mad … etc Action taken >I was able to eliminate alot of the original from the list, as I >became more aware of what effects these took on me. >Now with the PLEASE MASTER (P)hysica(L), (E)ating, (A)lter, (S)leep, >(E)xercise >and MASTER I learning a more healthy lifestyle all together (mental >dx, or not) >and feel much accomplishments when I’ve mastered some of the future >goals, I’ve set for myself. Some of these goals started out really >small, like getting out of bed before noon or finishing one of the >many books by my bedside. >With this therapy, as you can see from the tracking – it is not >discouraging medications (however you came by them), but just opening >your awareness to what you are doing to your body and how there may be >patterns to your ups and downs. >I’ll write more later, kids have a Halloween party to get ready for >… >Take care of yourselves, >Therese
I wonder how one could adapt it some to their disorder… i can clearly see how this relates to BPD, and the symptoms of it, as I understand BPD.. I dont do any of that stuff, alchohol, or street drugs, and AD’s only when absoltuely necessary cause I am clinically depressed, I dont have nor have I ever had suicidal ideations except one night right when I began prozac the second time, and I was given horrific news in the middle of the night about a relative committing suicide..and for some reason the very suggestion cause me to ideate bout suicide myself that night..somehow I knew it wasn me , but the drug. and called a suicded hotline…got some lady who pissed me off. and so angry I stopped ideating about suicide… One of my (many) theories is I have Tourettes, and nicotine is known to ameilorate the manifestation of symptoms of Tourettes. I took up was gambling, but not any old kind of gambling, specificly poker. Again, I think I gambled owing to inner restlessness and extreme agitation that the white noise in the casino would quell and quiet. Unless I was pmsing and on an SSRI, I rarely lost any money, I was lucky and eventually good. even wnen pmsing and on SSRIs, I might lose, or I might win…just more either way than normal. What always piss me off about what occurred while pmsing on SSRIs sometimes, was not that I lost, but that my self discipline broke down and I taken more risks than I normally would.. I still never crossed any lines with my gambling…always very very cognizant of the LINE, when it came to gambling..and my need to remain on this side of it..I most definitely did not want to really HURT myself…gambling…ever, and sometimes I did a little, but overall I made sure I was in the win column…least monetarily…but I quit because its such a degenerate thing to do, ..play a silly game all that time..adn I couldnt reconcile doing it any more even if I got so agitated…and knew it quell and quiet me.. Now i spend all my time obsessing about my depression, the meds, treatments…etc. LOL So I guess the way I have to use, the BPD is to curb my time spent on line, obsessing over depression, the meds, treatments etc.. LOL… I looked at the other symptoms of BPD, and only one I really related to some was sometimes I idealize people…only to be disappointed nearly every time..I like to cease idealizing ANYONE…too.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –
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thanks and good luck – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey All, > I just got back from the Dr and he started me on a new medicine that I am not > familiar with and I am hoping y’all can give me some insight on it – Topomax – > I read on rx.com it is used for seizures but I don’t have them – what other > things is it used for and what can I expect in the way of side effects? > Thanks in advance > Polly > His eye is on the sparrow….. > and I know He watches me… > Polly 
I still have very bad days where getting out of bed is a real effort, but on the whole I am beginning the long road of recovery. I ahve stopped taking the efexor a few times, taken too many, etc, but that’s more to do with my state of mind rather than the meds. My advice to you would be to take the efexor and see how it goes. you will probably experience some nausea or sickness in the first week, but it does get better – honestly! I wouldnt stop taking the efexor now as it has given me so much of my life back.. and I am willing to take the meds as long as it helps. I reckon (as far as my shrink says anyway) that I will be on them long term. I’ve been on my current meds combo now for about a year. Have you had any kinda diagnosis? I have major depression with borderline personality disorder (although I dont believe I have the bpd – it’s just that I am female, self-harmed with an opinion of my own). Anyway, dont worry about taking the efexor. try it out for yourself and see how it goes. good luck and keep us posted! lisa xxx