SSRIs

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 Umm..here I sit with a months supply of this rather spooky antidepressant in one hand and all my hopes and fears in another. Being a good net junkie, I decided to check the NG’s to see if there was anything being posted about this stuff. Boy, have I gotten an eyeful from this group. I’ve never been on any medication for depression before; however, I’ve also never been in the situation that I’m currently in before. For just about a year and a half, all that I have that energy to do is look at internet porn and doze off for hours a day. Needless to say, the wife and kiddies aren’t too pleased with this turn of events. I figure that it has cost me about 90 grand in lost salary and just about everything else in self esteem. I won’t go into particulars, but I brought all of this on myself and now I have to dig out somehow. There seems to be some good souls here, so I’ll just jump into the wind and ask my naive question. Will this stuff do me any good? Do the benefits outweigh the bugs or am I stepping onto a roller coaster that may not stop when I want to get off? I would appreciate any sincere comments. Thank You.                           Ward W

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nothing spooky about good old Effexor Ward. Effexor is a great antidepressant > and it will probably change your life for the better, possibly back to normal > and back to working full time. Its probably the strongest modern class > antidepressant and has relatively few side effects. Expect to feel dizzy and > sedated the first week, then possibly really activated for a while and "weird" > feeling. But after its been in your system a few weeks WATCH OUT cause the odds > are its gonna make you feel really really good. You are gonna love Effexor I > bet, once you get over your fear of antidepressants. > Modern antidepressants are all extremely safe Ward. Nothing to be scared of > man. > take care, > Eric > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > FIDO…Fuck It Drive On

Hey Eric, thanks much for the quick response. You know, part of the problem, as I see it, is that I WILL like the stuff. Too much, in fact, to want to get off of it. Also, your description about the first coupla weeks of side effects reminds me too much of all the bad acid that I used to gobble in my youth. May I ask you a personal question? Have you been off anti-depressants for any significant time since you were first prescribed them? If so, what has your experience been with "withdrawal" and subsequent coping in drug free periods? Looking forward to hearing from you again. Best, Ward W

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> Umm..here I sit with a months supply of this rather spooky >antidepressant in one hand and all my hopes and fears in another. Being >a good net junkie, I decided to check the NG’s to see if there was >anything being posted about this stuff. Boy, have I gotten an eyeful >from this group.

I am about to start Effexor too.  I ordered my pills from Canada. I had been taking Wellbutrin but it wasn’t working.  Effexor gets good reviews.  Stay away from the SSRIs. Diablo

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Effexor gets >good reviews.  Stay away from the SSRIs. > Diablo, keep your incorrect opinions about SSRIs to yourself please. I have > news for you dude. There is very little difference between low dose Effexor > (37.5 mg-150 mg ) and the SSRIs. Low dose Effexor is basically nothing more > than an extra strength SSRI Diablo. So if you dislike SSRIs Id stay away from > Effexor. > Be careful Diablo, that Effexor is VERY similar to the SSRIs and it might turn > you into a psycho/lunatic/killer/psychopath. I hope you have your guns locked > up when you take the Effexor Diablo. LOL Sheeesh man you are ridiculous.

No Eric you are ridiculous with your lack of knowledge….  trying by aggression ….foul language and pure force of will  to deny others experience, freedom of speech and the free flow of information. You are not a psychiatrist… You have no business telling people they must be drugged for life. If you like it it is your choice.. Not everyone feels that way. Similarly you have no business telling people what drugs  they should or shouldnt take. Diablos opinion is as valid as yours I repeat you are not a psychiatrist. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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Ward, If you want an _intelligent_ critical look at antidepressants, I recommend reading _Listening to Prozac_.  It should, at the very least, convince you that depression is very much a real medical (biological) condition that REQUIRES treatment, and it will also give you a good idea of the pros & cons of these drugs.  You just have to accept that you are biologically ill and need medice to treat your neurons.  You wouldn’t wonder if you should take medications if you had heart problems, etc.

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Welp, I have made my decision and have chosen to try to combat my depression with a regimen of both therapy and medication. As a matter of fact, I write this only two hours after having taken my first dose of Effexor. So far, no bad effects, or for that matter, good effects noted. I guess for me, it makes the most sense to utilize every weapon in the arsenal to fight this life-sucking enemy. In no way, do I negate any thing that anyone who has responded to this thread may have intended. I believe that each of us ultimately finds the answer that is needed. I would like to thank all for their time and concern. Best wishes, Ward W

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> Welp, I have made my decision and have chosen to try to combat my > depression with a regimen of both therapy and medication. As a matter of > fact, I write this only two hours after having taken my first dose of > Effexor. So far, no bad effects, or for that matter, good effects noted. > I guess for me, it makes the most sense to utilize every weapon in the > arsenal to fight this life-sucking enemy. In no way, do I negate any > thing that anyone who has responded to this thread may have intended. I > believe that each of us ultimately finds the answer that is needed. I > would like to thank all for their time and concern. > Best wishes, > Ward W

Best of luck Ward.. Of course it makes sense to use whatever is available and come out the other side.. lots and lots of people do… Theres no reason at all to think you wont be one Bob

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>Be careful Diablo, that Effexor is VERY similar to the SSRIs and it might turn >you into a psycho/lunatic/killer/psychopath. I hope you have your guns locked >up when you take the Effexor Diablo. LOL Sheeesh man you are ridiculous.

I need to clean my guns.  They are already disassembled and I should lock the trigger mechanisms up before I start the Effexor.  Did you hear about yesterday’s school stabbings in Japan?  The perpetrator had been taking psychiatric medication. I wonder if he was on an SSRI. Diablo

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>Be careful Diablo, that Effexor is VERY similar to the SSRIs and it might turn >you into a psycho/lunatic/killer/psychopath. I hope you have your guns locked >up when you take the Effexor Diablo. LOL Sheeesh man you are ridiculous. > I need to clean my guns.  They are already disassembled and I should lock the > trigger mechanisms up before I start the Effexor.  Did you hear about yesterday’s > school stabbings in Japan?  The perpetrator had been taking psychiatric medication. > I wonder if he was on an SSRI.

A quantity of tranquillisers the Japanese press said… Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Diablo

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>LOL Diablo, you are whacked dude. Seriously Effexor is not much different than >SSRIs. Soon as you take that 75 mg Effexor tab, you are taking an extra strong >serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Thats all it is dude. As you go up in dosage you >get not only serotonin reuptake but also norephinephrine reuptake and at the >highest dosages even a little dopamine reuptake. GAD!!! Dopamine reuptake? That >means you are gonna be increasing dopamine Diablo. Yes, you better lock up >those guns dude, might go postal on us if you take that Effexor man. >Whoops, or it might be the other way around? Taking Effexor…or an >SSRI…might do the exact opposite. Making you a calmer, nicer, less irritable, >more focused human being. Wow, sounds like the profile for someone going postal >huh Diablo?

I know I’m whacked.  And I’m going to be taking 150mg of Effexor.  I’m not sure if I’m even depressed, I just feel so apathetic.  And I moved to a hick town, I’m in the ethnic minority (anglo), and wrecked my truck so I lost my job. No one wants to hire me because I don’t speak Spanish.  I am so bummed out and I am hoping that drugs will get me back on track. Diablo

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My husband takes it, for ADHD and anxiety. It has helped him immensely. If he has to keep taking it long-term, so be it….the benefits have far outweighed the drawbacks. It doesn’t work for everyone though.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Nothing spooky about good old Effexor Ward. Effexor is a great antidepressant > and it will probably change your life for the better, possibly back to normal > and back to working full time. Its probably the strongest modern class > antidepressant and has relatively few side effects. Expect to feel dizzy and > sedated the first week, then possibly really activated for a while and "weird" > feeling. But after its been in your system a few weeks WATCH OUT cause the odds > are its gonna make you feel really really good. You are gonna love Effexor I > bet, once you get over your fear of antidepressants. > Modern antidepressants are all extremely safe Ward. Nothing to be scared of > man. > take care, > Eric > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > FIDO…Fuck It Drive On > Hey Eric, thanks much for the quick response. You know, part of the > problem, as I see it, is that I WILL like the stuff. Too much, in fact, > to want to get off of it. Also, your description about the first coupla > weeks of side effects reminds me too much of all the bad acid that I > used to gobble in my youth. May I ask you a personal question? Have you > been off anti-depressants for any significant time since you were first > prescribed them? If so, what has your experience been with "withdrawal" > and subsequent coping in drug free periods? Looking forward to hearing > from you again. > Best, > Ward W

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hya yeah, i think we’ve all been there actually.  I have been on a few drugs over the years – stopped them also through my own "behavioural problems" and i never seemed to get any better. I am on 300mg of efexor (due to go up to 375mg a day) and 2 mg of flupenthixol.  Efexor has allowed me to get back to some kinda life; i am back at work and i am socialising again.  I also dont self-harm any more I still have very bad days where getting out of bed is a real effort, but on the whole I am beginning the long road of recovery.  I ahve stopped taking the efexor a few times, taken too many, etc, but that’s more to do with my state of mind rather than the meds. My advice to you would be to take the efexor and see how it goes.  you will probably experience some nausea or sickness in the first week, but it does get better – honestly! I wouldnt stop taking the efexor now as it has given me so much of my life back.. and I am willing to take the meds as long as it helps.  I reckon (as far as my shrink says anyway) that I will be on them long term.  I’ve been on my current meds combo now for about a year. Have you had any kinda diagnosis?  I have major depression with borderline personality disorder (although I dont believe I have the bpd – it’s just that I am female, self-harmed with an opinion of my own). Anyway, dont worry about taking the efexor.  try it out for yourself and see how it goes. good luck and keep us posted! lisa xxx

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Umm..here I sit with a months supply of this rather spooky > antidepressant in one hand and all my hopes and fears in another. Being > a good net junkie, I decided to check the NG’s to see if there was > anything being posted about this stuff. Boy, have I gotten an eyeful > from this group. > I’ve never been on any medication for depression before; however, I’ve > also never been in the situation that I’m currently in before. For just > about a year and a half, all that I have that energy to do is look at > internet porn and doze off for hours a day. Needless to say, the wife > and kiddies aren’t too pleased with this turn of events. I figure that > it has cost me about 90 grand in lost salary and just about everything > else in self esteem. I won’t go into particulars, but I brought all of > this on myself and now I have to dig out somehow. > There seems to be some good souls here, so I’ll just jump into the wind > and ask my naive question. Will this stuff do me any good? Do the > benefits outweigh the bugs or am I stepping onto a roller coaster that > may not stop when I want to get off? I would appreciate any sincere > comments. Thank You.                           Ward W

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Hi All I would like to know when is the best time for my mom to take Celexa.  She was recently prescribed the medication and I would like to know when is the best time for her to take it. Any help is appreciated; thanks in advance. Christine

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> I’d strongly advise taking it in the evening.  It can make one drowsy, at > least in the first few weeks.  If drowsiness continues to be a problem, > think about getting the doc to prescribe Wellbutrin (only 150mg) and take > it in the morning.  I think it is a great combination.

That’s strange: My doc told me to take it before noon, at least in the beginning. Actually that made sense to me, because it did not make me drowsy, but rather to the contrary, I felt a lot more awake when I started it (woke up 2 or 3 hours earlier). Might be something that is different from person to person. I take it at 9 in the morning now, but I suppose it doesn’t make too much difference anyway. /ralph — I drink less coffee since I started Citalopram. — .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .

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>> I’d strongly advise taking it in the evening.  It can make one drowsy, at > least in the first few weeks.  If drowsiness continues to be a problem, > think about getting the doc to prescribe Wellbutrin (only 150mg) and take > it in the morning.  I think it is a great combination. > That’s strange: My doc told me to take it before noon, at least in > the beginning. Actually that made sense to me, because it did not > make me drowsy, but rather to the contrary, I felt a lot more awake > when I started it (woke up 2 or 3 hours earlier). Might be something > that is different from person to person.

It varies depending on the individual’s response: for some people, it can make them quite drowsy, whilst for others it can cause insomnia, so it makes sense to adjust the timing of the dose accordingly.  These affects are also prone to changing over time in some individuals, so it may need to be reviewed every now and again.  I’d reckon that when starting, assume whichever side-effect will be the most troublesome, so if insomnia’s going to be a major problem, take it in the morning, whereas if drowsiness might be a bigger pain, take it in the evening, then adjust as necessary. As a caution, depending on the drug in question, it might be advisable to avoid taking two doses too close together.  Citalopram is generally okay on this front, but the likes of dothiepin isn’t. Chris.

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 I have been taking Celexa for about one year now.  Actually, started out on 5 mg. and VERY gradually worked up to 40 mg.  At first, there were some side effects (upset stomach, diarrhea, yawning, feelings of being speeded up).  Also, I joined Weight Watchers in July and have lost almost 30 lbs.  This was due in no small part to feeling so much better on the Celexa.  For the first time in many years, I have very little depression (almost none), no anxiety, and can enjoy life like never before.  It took about 4 months to really feel good.  Hope this helps. I love this medication. Carole

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Celexa completely keeps me up.  I take 80mg first thing when I wake up in the morning.  I have to take Trazadone to sleep or I have complete insomnia. The same is true for a friend of mine. -Jessica

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi All > I would like to know when is the best time for my mom to take Celexa.  She was > recently prescribed the medication and I would like to know when is the best > time for her to take it. > Any help is appreciated; thanks in advance. > Christine

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> Hi All > I would like to know when is the best time for my mom to take Celexa.  She was > recently prescribed the medication and I would like to know when is the best > time for her to take it. > Any help is appreciated; thanks in advance. > Christine

I take one in the morning and one early evening… I find it quite stimulating.  For others, the opposite is true.  Try it one way, and if it causes problems try it the other — Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

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Hello Kathleen >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin.

My condolences. >I took Prozac for several years

No wonder you sound all fucked up! > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having >to keep my emotions in *check*.

Is that why you use so many asterisks? >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral support.

Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. Eric in North Carolina WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk

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Wellbutrins not even an SSRI you fuckin retard Scooter

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello Kathleen >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin. > My condolences. >I took Prozac for several years > No wonder you sound all fucked up! > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having >to keep my emotions in *check*. > Is that why you use so many asterisks? >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral support. > Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. > Eric in North Carolina > WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk

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Yes it is. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Wellbutrins not even an SSRI you fuckin retard > Scooter > Hello Kathleen > >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin. > My condolences. > >I took Prozac for several years > No wonder you sound all fucked up! > > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand > >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having > >to keep my emotions in *check*. > Is that why you use so many asterisks? > >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral support. > Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. > Eric in North Carolina > WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk

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Hmm, wellbutrin is not an SSRI.  To quote the PRD on this: "Wellbutrin is an aminoketone class antidepressant, it is chemically unrelated to tricyclic, tetracyclic, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, or other known antidepressant agents." end

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes it is. > Wellbutrins not even an SSRI you fuckin retard > Scooter > > Hello Kathleen > > >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin. > > My condolences. > > >I took Prozac for several years > > No wonder you sound all fucked up! > > > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand > > >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having > > >to keep my emotions in *check*. > > Is that why you use so many asterisks? > > >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral support. > > Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. > > Eric in North Carolina > > WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk

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> Yes it is.

– Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI. Eric Eric’s Depression advice webpage http://hometown.aol.com/speedstrength/myhomepage/profile.html Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively Before you buy.

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> Yes it is.

Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora

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I have no idea what this "PRD" you are quoting is.  My Physicians Desk Reference (2000) quite plainly states Wellbutrin is an SSRI. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hmm, wellbutrin is not an SSRI.  To quote the PRD on this: "Wellbutrin is an > aminoketone class antidepressant, it is chemically unrelated to tricyclic, > tetracyclic, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, or other known > antidepressant agents." > end > Yes it is. > > Wellbutrins not even an SSRI you fuckin retard > > Scooter > > > Hello Kathleen > > > >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin. > > > My condolences. > > > >I took Prozac for several years > > > No wonder you sound all fucked up! > > > > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand > > > >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having > > > >to keep my emotions in *check*. > > > Is that why you use so many asterisks? > > > >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral > support. > > > Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. > > > Eric in North Carolina > > > WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk

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> > Yes it is. > — Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI.

Sure it is. > Eric’s Depression advice webpage > http://hometown.aol.com/speedstrength/myhomepage/profile.html > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively

Steroids bulked up my muscular physique.

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Unfortunately if you take a trip over to www.glaxowellcome.com the manufacturer of Wellbutrin clearly states that their product is NOT a SSRI.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have no idea what this "PRD" you are quoting is.  My Physicians > Desk Reference (2000) quite plainly states Wellbutrin is an SSRI. > Hmm, wellbutrin is not an SSRI.  To quote the PRD on this: "Wellbutrin is an > aminoketone class antidepressant, it is chemically unrelated to tricyclic, > tetracyclic, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, or other known > antidepressant agents." > end > > Yes it is. > > > Wellbutrins not even an SSRI you fuckin retard > > > Scooter > > > > Hello Kathleen > > > > >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin. > > > > My condolences. > > > > >I took Prozac for several years > > > > No wonder you sound all fucked up! > > > > > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand > > > > >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having > > > > >to keep my emotions in *check*. > > > > Is that why you use so many asterisks? > > > > >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral > support. > > > > Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. > > > > Eric in North Carolina > > > > WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk troll.

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Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re making and the FDA just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, what a wacky world. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Yes it is. > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > You’re wrong.

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> > > Yes it is. > — Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI. > Actually, it is.

Of course it is.  LostboyinNC is probably a wannabee user.  

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Hehe.  Is Galxo-Wellcome part of my conspiracy?  I must of hacked their web page on Wellbutrin.  My tentacles are far reaching.  Give it a look folks at http://www.glaxowellcome.com/pi/wellbusr.pdf , I did make it look all official and everything.  If anyone has any other web pages I can alter for my grand conspiracy, drop me a line. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re making and the FDA > just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, what a wacky > world. > There you go again, Brian… On with your lies and deceptions.  Haven’t the > boys in white caught up with you yet?  You are a danger to society and you > need to be stopped. > > > > Yes it is. > > > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > > You’re wrong.

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> > > Yes it is. > — Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI. > Sure it is.

NO ITS NOT dude…Wellbutrin is in a class all by itself. IT is not an SSRI..Wellbutrin does not even affect serotonin much…hardly at all. SSRI stands for "Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor." GET IT DIPSHIT? > Eric’s Depression advice webpage > http://hometown.aol.com/speedstrength/myhomepage/profile.html > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > Steroids bulked up my muscular physique.

I dont even need anabolics to bulk up pussyboy. I can get muscles without them, unlike you. Eric — Eric’s Depression advice webpage http://hometown.aol.com/speedstrength/myhomepage/profile.html Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively Before you buy.

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> > > Yes it is. > > — Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI. > Actually, it is. > Of course it is.  LostboyinNC is probably a wannabee user.

Bupropion is a novel, non-tricyclic antidepressant with a primary pharmacological action of monoamine uptake inhibition. The drug resembles a psychostimulant in terms of its neurochemical and behavioural profiles in vivo, but it does not reliably produce stimulant-like effects in humans at clinically prescribed doses. Bupropion binds with modest selectivity to the dopamine transporter, but its behavioural effects have often been attributed to its inhibition of norepinephrine uptake. http://www.biopsychiatry.com/wellbutrin.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hehe.  Is Galxo-Wellcome part of my conspiracy?  I must of hacked their web > page on Wellbutrin.  My tentacles are far reaching.  Give it a look folks at > http://www.glaxowellcome.com/pi/wellbusr.pdf , I did make it look all > official and everything.  If anyone has any other web pages I can alter for > my grand conspiracy, drop me a line. > > Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re making and the > FDA > > just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, what a wacky > > world. > There you go again, Brian… On with your lies and deceptions. Haven’t > the > boys in white caught up with you yet?  You are a danger to society and you > need to be stopped. > > > > > Yes it is. > > > > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > > > You’re wrong. > I wish all you mother fuckers would shutup

Before you buy.

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Are you a moron, or are you an imbecile?  Because I always get those two mixed up. Wellbutrin (bupropion) is *not* an SSRI, or any other kind of reuptake inhibitor.  It’s chemically related to the stimulants diethylpropion and cathinone.  Its mechanism of action is not really understood, but it’s probably just a (very) weak stimulant. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have no idea what this "PRD" you are quoting is.  My Physicians > Desk Reference (2000) quite plainly states Wellbutrin is an SSRI. > Hmm, wellbutrin is not an SSRI.  To quote the PRD on this: "Wellbutrin is an > aminoketone class antidepressant, it is chemically unrelated to tricyclic, > tetracyclic, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor, or other known > antidepressant agents." > end > > Yes it is. > > > Wellbutrins not even an SSRI you fuckin retard > > > Scooter > > > > Hello Kathleen > > > > >This is my 4th day on Wellbutrin. > > > > My condolences. > > > > >I took Prozac for several years > > > > No wonder you sound all fucked up! > > > > > and I think it just began to *wear* off…….I understand > > > > >Wellbutrin can cause some agitation the first week? I am having > > > > >to keep my emotions in *check*. > > > > Is that why you use so many asterisks? > > > > >I would like to hear from others on this medication for moral > support. > > > > Get off Wellbutrin and any other meds you’re on. > > > > Eric in North Carolina > > > > WARNING TO PARENTS: Jew-hating Austrian Nazi Peter "Guardian" Schrenk troll.

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What are you, *another* idiot?  Don’t pontificate when you have no idea what you’re talking about.  Wellbutrin (bupropion) is not an SSRI. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Yes it is. > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > You’re wrong.

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 > You need help, dude. Perhaps he does, but you need a nervous system. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hehe.  Is Galxo-Wellcome part of my conspiracy?  I must of hacked their web > page on Wellbutrin.  My tentacles are far reaching.  Give it a look folks at > http://www.glaxowellcome.com/pi/wellbusr.pdf , I did make it look all > official and everything.  If anyone has any other web pages I can alter for > my grand conspiracy, drop me a line. > You need help, dude. > > > Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re making and the > FDA > > > just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, what a wacky > > > world. > > There you go again, Brian… On with your lies and deceptions. Haven’t > the > > boys in white caught up with you yet?  You are a danger to society and you > > need to be stopped. > > > > > > Yes it is. > > > > > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > > > > You’re wrong.

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 > I hold a Masters in Pharmacology Sorry, I’ve got you beat in that department.  And if you think that bupropion is an SSRI, then your masters must have come from some dime-store community college. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->  > You need help, dude. > Perhaps he does, but you need a nervous system. > Got one.  Perhpas you’d like some of mine seeing as how I hold a Masters in > Pharmacology? > — > ETF > I don’t know just where I’m going > But I’m gonna try for the kingdom > > > Hehe.  Is Galxo-Wellcome part of my conspiracy?  I must of hacked their > web > > > page on Wellbutrin.  My tentacles are far reaching.  Give it a look > folks at > > > http://www.glaxowellcome.com/pi/wellbusr.pdf , I did make it look all > > > official and everything.  If anyone has any other web pages I can alter > for > > > my grand conspiracy, drop me a line. > > You need help, dude. > > > > > Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re making and > the > > > FDA > > > > > just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, what a > wacky > > > > > world. > > > > There you go again, Brian… On with your lies and deceptions. > Haven’t > > > the > > > > boys in white caught up with you yet?  You are a danger to society and > you > > > > need to be stopped. > > > > > > > > Yes it is. > > > > > > > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > > > > > > You’re wrong.

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Actually, it’s not.  Not even close. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Yes it is. > — Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI. > Actually, it is.

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 > Exactly.  Wellbutrin IS an SSRI. Do you really have a master’s degree?  In what?  Basket weaving? Did you get your degree from 7-11 or something? Bupropion is not an SSRI.  It does not even vaguely resemble SSRIs, either chemically or pharmacologically.  You resemble an imbecile, however. — ETF (MIT trained neuropharmacologist and former scientist at a couple of R&D based drug companies). I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > > > > Yes it is. > > > > — Hey shithead axe wielder, Wellbutrin is NOT an SSRI. > > > Actually, it is. > > Of course it is.  LostboyinNC is probably a wannabee user. > Bupropion is a novel, non-tricyclic antidepressant with a primary > pharmacological action of monoamine uptake inhibition. The drug resembles a > psychostimulant in terms of its neurochemical and behavioural profiles in vivo, > but it does not reliably produce stimulant-like effects in humans at clinically > prescribed doses. Bupropion binds with modest selectivity to the dopamine > transporter, but its behavioural effects have often been attributed to its > inhibition of norepinephrine uptake. > http://www.biopsychiatry.com/wellbutrin.htm > Exactly.  Wellbutrin IS an SSRI.

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Oh, you’re Andrew — in other words, no master’s degree, no brain, no intelligence. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Hehe.  Is Galxo-Wellcome part of my conspiracy?  I must of hacked > their web > > page on Wellbutrin.  My tentacles are far reaching.  Give it a look > folks at > > http://www.glaxowellcome.com/pi/wellbusr.pdf , I did make it look all > > official and everything.  If anyone has any other web pages I can > alter for > > my grand conspiracy, drop me a line. > > > > Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re making > and the > > FDA > > > > just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, what > a wacky > > > > world. > > > There you go again, Brian… On with your lies and deceptions. > Haven’t > > the > > > boys in white caught up with you yet?  You are a danger to society > and you > > > need to be stopped. > > > > > > > Yes it is. > > > > > > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > > > > > You’re wrong. > > I wish all you mother fuckers would shutup > My my, smashing good commontary there, what?

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> >  > I hold a Masters in Pharmacology > Sorry, I’ve got you beat in that department.  And if you think that > bupropion is an SSRI, then your masters must have come from some dime-store > I HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE FROM FILLMORE GODDAMIT YOU MOTHERFUCKER SHOW SOME > RESPECT YOU LITTLE BASTARD I DOUBT YOUR A DAY OVER 18 AND YOU THINK YOU KNOW > SOMETHING ASSHOLE IVE BEEN IN TWO WARS AND HAD TO SUCK PEOPLES COCK TO GET > WHERE I AM IN THE WORLD SHOW SOME RESPECT YOU LITTLE FUCKER

Don’t worry–everyone can tell by the way you write that you went to a really hot-shit school and got a degree so advanced it hasn’t been invented yet.   — Laughter is the true seriousness that destroys all false seriousness. –M.M. Bakhtin For those pesky pills that won’t give it up, check out the extraction page: http://members.home.net/harryworld/extraction.html

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Sorry — I didn’t realize that this was cross-posted. — ETF I don’t know just where I’m going But I’m gonna try for the kingdom

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> OK, Eaton, the repetive messages about some Kathleen never been > mentioned in recent postings to ASDM, been received over and over and > over again! > Linda > Oh, you’re Andrew — in other words, no master’s degree, no brain, no > intelligence. > — > ETF > I don’t know just where I’m going > But I’m gonna try for the kingdom > > > > Hehe.  Is Galxo-Wellcome part of my conspiracy?  I must of > hacked > > > their web > > > > page on Wellbutrin.  My tentacles are far reaching.  Give it a > look > > > folks at > > > > http://www.glaxowellcome.com/pi/wellbusr.pdf , I did make it > look all > > > > official and everything.  If anyone has any other web pages I > can > > > alter for > > > > my grand conspiracy, drop me a line. > > > > > > Hmm, I guess the manufacturer doesn’t know what they’re > making > > > and the > > > > FDA > > > > > > just went insane and listed Wellbutrin as a non-SSRI.  Gee, > what > > > a wacky > > > > > > world. > > > > > There you go again, Brian… On with your lies and deceptions. > > > Haven’t > > > > the > > > > > boys in white caught up with you yet?  You are a danger to > society > > > and you > > > > > need to be stopped. > message > > > > > > > > > Yes it is. > > > > > > > > Wellbutrin is *not* an SSRI. Educate yourself. -aurora > > > > > > > You’re wrong. > > > > I wish all you mother fuckers would shutup > > My my, smashing good commontary there, what? > Before you buy.

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Question:

> My psychosis is starting to bother me more than usual and despite my dislike > of psychiatric medications I am giving serious consideration to going back > on anti-psychotics for a while.  My CPN has suggested Olanzapine as she > believes it to have less side effects and feels that it would better suit my > general medication intollerance. > I would appreciate any comments / experiences regarding Olanzapine.  Please > post replies to the newsgroups as I feel the information may be of interest > to others. > Thanks > Tony

Works really well for psychosis. Makes you tired if you take too much. Makes you Fat. Expect to gain around 30 pounds in a couple of months. I wish someone had told me this, cause I never would have taken it. Gained 40 pounds and can’t loose it, even now that I’m off of Olanzapine. Try Seroquel, makes you a little more tired, but doesn’t cause weight gain. SP

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> On the other hand since I started Seroquel, I’ve been having terrible > night > sweats. I’m on 2 other things so I don’t know which is causing it. > Seroquel > seems to sort of upset your tum. I’ve been having bad indigestion, (which > I > never had before) and (if you will pardon my mentioning this) diarrhea, > for > months. Once again I don’t know which med is causing this. I’d be > interested to know if you have any of these problems, so I can stop > wondering if I really have some fatal illness. If it’s just the meds I can > deal with that. > SP > You mentioned not so long ago that you were drinking a lot of wine. > This could be the problem. > Michelle

Actually I was drinking allot of Beer. But I lightened up allot on the drinking because it was making me feel bad. The strange thing is that I recently switched to Wine, because you can drink less of it and still get relaxed. And I noticed that when I drink at least 2 glasses of Red Wine, I don’t have the night sweats, or I’ll only have one just before I wake up. Before I discovered the wine trick I was waking up 5 to 7 times a night completely soaked. On the other hand I don’t really want to drink Wine every night. I cant really understand why this Wine thing would be. Maybe I could take those pills that have Wine extract. Seems theres something in Red wine that is good. SP

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Everyone experiences different medications differently.  Olanzapine takes a long time to start working, I’ve heard, so you have to give it time.  Most psychiatrists will prescribe another, faster-working antipsychotic to cover for the lag. My reaction:  Olanzapine made me sleep 16 hours a day and re-activated my eating disorder immediately.  There was no question.  My shrink took me off it without protest. There are plenty of antipsychotics out there to try.  Don’t worry — you’ll find one that works with minimum side-effects. I have tried most of the antipsychotics in existence and can tolerate most of them quite well.  Now I take Seroquel, and believe it or not, Thorazine. JGr Before you buy.

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My doctor has now prescribed me Seroquel and I am starting it tomorrow. From the huge amount of information that I have read about it I am confident that it will deal with my psychosis but at the same time not cause too many unpleasent side effects.  Some people have even experienced weight loss on Seroquel and boy am I hoping that I will to Tony – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Everyone experiences different medications differently.  Olanzapine > takes a long time to start working, I’ve heard, so you have to give it > time.  Most psychiatrists will prescribe another, faster-working > antipsychotic to cover for the lag. > My reaction:  Olanzapine made me sleep 16 hours a day and re-activated > my eating disorder immediately.  There was no question.  My shrink took > me off it without protest. > There are plenty of antipsychotics out there to try.  Don’t worry — > you’ll find one that works with minimum side-effects. > I have tried most of the antipsychotics in existence and can tolerate > most of them quite well.  Now I take Seroquel, and believe it or not, > Thorazine. > JGr > Before you buy.

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> I have heard from some sources that Seroquel can actually cause weight loss > in some patients – I am hoping that I am one of them > Tony

 It didn’t really for me. At first I lost about 10 pounds, but then put it back on. At least now I’m not gaining any more. Zyprexa also had the strange side effect of keeping me from sweating, (ever!) or being bothered by heat. I was visiting a friend in Oklahoma, in summer, average temp of 100 degrees, and up. Several times we went out to her car which had been sitting in the sun for hours, and I happily climbed in and sat there while she stood outside waiting for it to air out. That was kind of nice. On the other hand since I started Seroquel, I’ve been having terrible night sweats. I’m on 2 other things so I don’t know which is causing it. Seroquel seems to sort of upset your tum. I’ve been having bad indigestion, (which I never had before) and (if you will pardon my mentioning this) diarrhea, for months. Once again I don’t know which med is causing this. I’d be interested to know if you have any of these problems, so I can stop wondering if I really have some fatal illness. If it’s just the meds I can deal with that. SP

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Everyone experiences different medications differently.  Olanzapine > takes a long time to start working, I’ve heard, so you have to give it > time.  Most psychiatrists will prescribe another, faster-working > antipsychotic to cover for the lag. > My reaction:  Olanzapine made me sleep 16 hours a day and re-activated > my eating disorder immediately.  There was no question.  My shrink took > me off it without protest. > There are plenty of antipsychotics out there to try.  Don’t worry — > you’ll find one that works with minimum side-effects. > I have tried most of the antipsychotics in existence and can tolerate > most of them quite well.  Now I take Seroquel, and believe it or not, > Thorazine. > JGr

Olanzapine worked for me the day after I first took it, when I was very psychotic. It also made me want to do NOTHING but sleep. And made me so complacent, that I could sit and stare at the floor or the inside of my blanket for HOURS, and not even care. It also made me so fat, some of my friends said I looked like a Bear. SP

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Hi SP, Thanks for your input – it confirms what I have discovered.   After input from other ng users and research on the net I have reached the conclusion that Seroquel is the best bet.   I stopped taking sulpiride last year as I gained 3 stones in weight.   This was really frustrating as I had lost six stones in the previous 12 months and had achieved a weight that I was happy with.  Since stopping Sulpiride I still haven’t lost the excess weight so taking Olanzapine would really freak me out I have heard from some sources that Seroquel can actually cause weight loss in some patients – I am hoping that I am one of them The tiredness doesn’t worry me too much as my hypomania means that I don’t sleep more than a couple of hours each day unless I take 4 nitrazepam at night.  Seroquel could be the answer to my "prayers" – reduction of psychosis, weight loss and sleep !! Tony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My psychosis is starting to bother me more than usual and despite my dislike > of psychiatric medications I am giving serious consideration to going back > on anti-psychotics for a while.  My CPN has suggested Olanzapine as she > believes it to have less side effects and feels that it would better suit my > general medication intollerance. > I would appreciate any comments / experiences regarding Olanzapine. Please > post replies to the newsgroups as I feel the information may be of interest > to others. > Thanks > Tony > Works really well for psychosis. Makes you tired if you take too much. > Makes you Fat. Expect to gain around 30 pounds in a couple of months. I > wish someone had told me this, cause I never would have taken it. Gained 40 > pounds and can’t loose it, even now that I’m off of Olanzapine. > Try Seroquel, makes you a little more tired, but doesn’t cause weight gain. > SP

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> On the other hand since I started Seroquel, I’ve been having terrible night > sweats. I’m on 2 other things so I don’t know which is causing it. Seroquel > seems to sort of upset your tum. I’ve been having bad indigestion, (which I > never had before) and (if you will pardon my mentioning this) diarrhea, for > months. Once again I don’t know which med is causing this. I’d be > interested to know if you have any of these problems, so I can stop > wondering if I really have some fatal illness. If it’s just the meds I can > deal with that. > SP

You mentioned not so long ago that you were drinking a lot of wine. This could be the problem. Michelle

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>I would appreciate any comments / experiences regarding Olanzapine.  Please >post replies to the newsgroups as I feel the information may be of interest >to others.

Olanzapine (Zyprexa) was one of the first atypical antipsychotics to see use for schizophrenia and bipolar. It is certainly a vast improvement over the old style APs. But…a big but…it can be powerfully sedating, many people have unpleasant EPS with it (should abate over time), it is a SERIOUS offender in the weight gain categories, and although it is less likely to cause tardive dyskinesia than the old APs, it still carries a risk for bipolars. Preliminary studies show that bipolars are more prone to TD than schizophrenics. I would ask the doctor his opinion of Seroquel or one of the other second generation atypical APs. No drug is totally free of risk (even our beloved Mother Mary :-p), but many people on these groups are having a very positive experience with Seroquel, and it seems to have a far more benign side effect profile than Zyprexa.

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> I would appreciate any comments / experiences regarding Olanzapine.  Please > post replies to the newsgroups as I feel the information may be of interest > to others. > Thanks > Tony

– There are a few who have been prescibed this for anxiety / depression, will have to swing over to alt.support.depression.medication or cross post the question again as they are also a helpful group, just watch out for the Scientologists over there who are shopping for converts. Crazy Lou http://www.grizzadam.com/ Before you buy.

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Lynda, Thanks for all the info – your hard disk must be overflowing   I’ve done my research now (helped most valuably by members of the groups) and decided that Seroquel is the drug for me to try – less chance of weight gain and a good user tolerance experience. Tony

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Tony, > I take Zyprexa on ans as needed bais for dysphoria and it works well. It > also has AD effects, too. > My psychosis is starting to bother me more than usual and despite my dislike > of psychiatric medications I am giving serious consideration to going back > on anti-psychotics for a while.  My CPN has suggested Olanzapine as she > believes it to have less side effects and feels that it would better suit my > general medication intollerance. > I would appreciate any comments / experiences regarding Olanzapine. Please > post replies to the newsgroups as I feel the information may be of interest > to others. > ZYPREXA (Olanzapine) http://www.public.usit.net/quester/zyp.html > Zyprexa is an "atypical" antipsychotic with potent 5-H2 antagonism, > dopamine D1/D2 antagonism, and anticholinergic activity. Zyprexa belongs > to the thienobenzodiazepine class, and it has a profile of activity very > similar to Clozapine. Clinical trials document Zyprexa’s efficacy in > reducing both the positive and negative symptoms of schizophrenia. With > respect to extrapyramidal symptoms and elevation of prolactin levels, > the adverse-event profile of Zyprexa may be more favorable than those of > conventional antipsychotic medications, such as haloperidol. > Pharmacodynamics: It has been proposed that Zyprexa’s antipsychotic > activity is mediated through a combination of dopamine and serotonin > type 2 (5HT2) antagonism. Antagonism at receptors other than dopamine > and 5HT2 with similar receptor affinities may explain some of the other > therapeutic and side effects of Zyprexa. Zpyrexa’s antagonism of > histamine H1 receptors may explain the somnolence observed with this > drug. Zyprexa’s antagonism of adrengegic alpha1 recetpors may explain > the orthostataic hypotension observed with this drug. > Pharmacokinetics: The half-life of Zyprexa is 21 to 54 hours (mean of 30 > hours). Steady state plasma levels are attained withing 5-7 days. > Zyprexa is well absorbed and reaches peak concentrations in > approximately 6 hours following an oral dose. Direct glucuronidation and > cytochrome P450 mediated oxidaton are the primary metabolic pathways for > Zyprexa. Although Zyprexa clearance is about 40% higher in smokers than > in nonsmokers, dosage modifications are not routinely recommended. > Adverse Reactions: The most common adverse events associated with > Zyprexa are: somnolence (26%), and dizziness (11%) and weight gain (6%). > In clinical trials, patients gained an average of 6 to 12 pounds. > Another adverse effect observed was clinically significant ALT (SGPT) > elevations (3 times, or greater, than the upper limit of the normal > range) in 2% of patients. Other commonly observed adverse events were > constipation, postural hypertension, and akathesia. > Dosage: Zyprexa should be administered on a once-a-day schedule without > regard to meals, usually geginning with 5 to 10mg initially, before bed. > The target dose is 10mg/day, within several days. The drug is being > marketed as having a therapeutic starting dose without a need for > titration in most patients. > Comments: Zyprexa is a very interesting new antipsychotic, with great > potential. If preliminary studies hold true, it appears that it might be > as effective as Clozapine, but without the potentially fatal side effect > of agranulocytosis, and, therefore, without the need for expensive and > troublesome weekly blood monitoring. > The above is for educational purposes only. If you have futher questions > about this medication, or other prescription medications, please consult > your physician. > Return to Meteorite’s Home Page– > http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/13fbf6.htm > INDIANAPOLIS, IN — October 28, 1999 — Eli Lilly and Company announced > today that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued an > approvable letter for the company’s antipsychotic medication Zyprexa

Question:

Hi Lynda, >1. Effective >2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions) >3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of >a specific medication

All of the above in varying degrees unfortunately. >Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances?

Add #2 and #3 to the fact that my first pdoc was an asshole who only cared about his insurance payment and refused to listen  to anyone, including my wife…….yep, I did, after a few visits. Pdoc since then has been fine. I use him mostly for meds, and my therp handles my day to day dementedness<g>. >Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as >having BP illness?

Just over a year, "Officially", though it was suspected for over a years time before that as well. And I’ve ALWAYS known I was cuckoo!!<G> P/H/L BPBoy "He’s slightly schizophrenic/Me and me and me agree/And you are gonna pay/For what you did to me" -D.Mustaine

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I was diagnosed with BP in Feb 93 although another pdoc gave me tri-cyclics in 88 for depression. Took those for about a year or so. After 93, lithium and SSRIs mostly. The treatment has been somewhat effective for the the last two or so years; I’m not dead yet, and have actually held a job for two years straight, though starting a new one soon. Chloimiprimine (is that it?) gave me tremors and lithium gut trouble and the SSRIs not much of anything. The only pdoc change was from the first one ten years ago to the one after a hospital visit in 93. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am asking this question, and appreciate your answers, because it > appears several members have had less than ideal interactions with their > search for the  "right" medication combo and the appropriate  pdoc/therp > with whom a trusting relationship could be established. > Since your diagnosis, has your treatment and mangement of BP illness > been: > 1. Effective > 2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions) > 3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of > a specific medication > Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances? > Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as > having BP illness? > For me I have been fortunate. My pdoc is trustworthy, caring, and > accessible. > I have had to change meds frequently since i have been plgued with > severed depressions. I also have URC which proves to be a challenge to > treat <sigh>. > I have been officially DX or nearly 2 years but have had > BP  illness since my teens (my pdoc agrees with my assessment per the > historical information I have given him). > Peace,

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>1. Effective

   Variable, but at worst negligent. >2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions)

    breathrough mania, hypomanias, mostly depressions. >3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of a

specific medication. >Stopped for side effects: Paxil, Serzone, Neurontin, Depakote,

   Tegretol, Haldol, Mellaril, Thorazine, Trilafon. Wellbutrin,     Buspirone, Desipermine, caffeine, alcohol (but cheat a little)     That is it?  I loves klonopin the wonder drug. >Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances?

  I have had more Pdocs than a dog has fleas, most government   employees, where there is not a lot of choices >Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as

having BP illness? Officially since late 1976, however the symptoms and treatment began in late 1968.  Because of the delay in correct diagnosis, 8 years was spent on that "ship of fools"  Vernon (kates secret lover) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Peace,

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>I am asking this question, and appreciate your answers, because it >appears several members have had less than ideal interactions with their >search for the  "right" medication combo and the appropriate  pdoc/therp >with whom a trusting relationship could be established. >Since your diagnosis, has your treatment and mangement of BP illness >been: >1. Effective >2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions) >3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of >a specific medication

Well, I can answer 1, 2, and 3!  Right now, the treatment is apparently effective, although just in the last week or so I have been having some very mild twinges of hypomania, but certainly nothing approaching a full-blown episode.  For six months following my diagnosis, I was on a medication combo that harnessed my mania but did nothing at all for depression.  One of the medications (Depakote) had very adverse side effects, and I stopped taking it. >Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances?

Nope.  I trust my pdoc; he was willing to keep trying different combos until we finally hit on the right one.  Plus, I can get into see him quickly in an emergency, he returns phone calls, and most importantly, he listens to me. I also see an excellent clinical psychologist for therapy.  She pegged me as bipolar before she knew of my diagnosis.  Without the support of both of these people, I don’t believe I would have survived my last suicidal depression. >Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as >having BP illness?

I could have written the paragraph below.   >I have been officially DX or nearly 2 years but have had >BP  illness since my teens (my pdoc agrees with my assessment per the >historical information I have given him).

Linda

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> I am asking this question, and appreciate your answers, because it > appears several members have had less than ideal interactions with their > search for the  "right" medication combo and the appropriate  pdoc/therp > with whom a trusting relationship could be established. > Since your diagnosis, has your treatment and mangement of BP illness > been: > 1. Effective > 2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions) > 3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of > a specific medication

My treatment (IMHO) has been fairly effective. While there have been a few hypos and a few depressions, I have not gone REALLY high or stayed low for more than a few days straight. My pdocs treatment OTOH was both #2 and #3, which is why I quit it. > Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances?

Just quit using the one I had – Unfortunately, he’s my only choice in this area My therp was good, but can’t prescribe. > Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as > having BP illness?

A little less than a year – avoided pdocs like the plague and therefore avoided the diagnosis <g>. > For me I have been fortunate. My pdoc is trustworthy, caring, and > accessible. > I have had to change meds frequently since i have been plgued with > severed depressions. I also have URC which proves to be a challenge to > treat <sigh>. > I have been officially DX or nearly 2 years but have had > BP  illness since my teens (my pdoc agrees with my assessment per the > historical information I have given him). > Peace,

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I’m hoping you feel better today then your last post about the bipolar site we all had such – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Oh Lynda… I could write a book….  I’ll really try to make it short. > Since your diagnosis, has your treatment and mangement of BP illness > been: > 1. Effective – As far as a bandaid effect, yes my treatment has been effective.  When >         I first started this roller coaster ride, the goal was to bring me > down, reel >         me in.  That’s happened.  Drug Merry-Go Round, Therapy, all the "by the > book" >         Things.  My life still is not my own. > 2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions) – I’ve had them all. >         Breakthrough Linda.  Uh huh. > 3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of a specific > medication – Oh yeah.  Even had one wonderful pdoc that damn near killed me with an >         overdose of Li.  One of them had me committed because I simply > "cried."  Note >         To myself:  NEVER cry in front of a pdoc again. > Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances? >         Absolutely.  Five within as many years.  One died, one took his place >         temporarily, one took her place, one gave up, committed me, and made me > leave >         and thank God for the new one. > Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as > having BP illness? >         Five years > I hop this is what you were looking for.  I tried to keep it short. > Hugs, > Linda > (Briteyes)

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> Since your diagnosis, has your treatment and mangement of BP illness > been: > 1. Effective

I have been seeing my current Pdoc, Therapist, and NP for too short of a time to pass judgment.  Looks like treatment will be effective, sooner or later. > 2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions)

Currently ineffective by my own choice.  Was on meds when I started with current treatment group and realized I had to take a chance and go off meds for them to properly diagnose me.  Turns out I was right. > 3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of > a specific medication.  

So far I have terminated 3 meds due to reallllly bad side effects (reallllly bad is worse than adverse <G>). > Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances?

My first therapist was, how shall I say, a quack? > Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as > having BP illness?

Over 3 years.  The first 2-1/2 years were a waste of time and have resulted in a lot of problems with my applications for SSD and SSI.  My current therapist and I have concluded that my first signs of BP were in childhood. Mike

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lol… Thank you Lisa.  I did get a bit weirded out over it.  I was disgusted too.  I’m much better now. lol Linda (Briteyes) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’m hoping you feel better today then your last post about the bipolar site we all had such > Oh Lynda… I could write a book….  I’ll really try to make it short. > > Since your diagnosis, has your treatment and mangement of BP illness > > been: > > 1. Effective – As far as a bandaid effect, yes my treatment has been effective.  When >         I first started this roller coaster ride, the goal was to bring me > down, reel >         me in.  That’s happened.  Drug Merry-Go Round, Therapy, all the "by the > book" >         Things.  My life still is not my own. > > 2. Ineffective (breakthrough manias, hypomanias, depressions) – I’ve had them all. >         Breakthrough Linda.  Uh huh. > > 3. Inconvenient (adverse side effects) which resulted in termination of a specific > > medication – Oh yeah.  Even had one wonderful pdoc that damn near killed me with an >         overdose of Li.  One of them had me committed because I simply > "cried."  Note >         To myself:  NEVER cry in front of a pdoc again. > > Have any of you changed pdocs because of the above occurrances? >         Absolutely.  Five within as many years.  One died, one took his place >         temporarily, one took her place, one gave up, committed me, and made me > leave >         and thank God for the new one. > > Finally, wht is the length of time you have been officially diagnosed as > > having BP illness? >         Five years > I hop this is what you were looking for.  I tried to keep it short. > Hugs, > Linda > (Briteyes)

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Hi , I was Diagnosed with Bipolar II 5 months ago . I have changed PDocs twice . First I was put on Wellbutrin which had the opposite effect and put me in a depression so deep I was having Psychotic symptoms and they had to put me on Risperadol . They figured this out and put me on Zoloft which had no effect on me so they kept increasing it. For weeks I had no relief . Finally they opted for Lithium with Prozac . Prozac made me hyper and gave me insomnia . They switched me to the newest drug on the market , Which I had an allergic reaction to . So they opted for just Lithium . The only effect that was adverse with Lithium was that they did not tell me drinking coffee with it would give me Tremors . So now I drink decaf. So far I have broken through the Lithium twice with Depressive episodes so they keep increasing my Lithium . My current Pdoc is Okay but my Therapist ditched me and stopped returning my phone calls without explaination . I was taking Atavan but they cut me off for fear of my becoming addicted to it . I have OCD and severe anxiety attacks . I have been hospitalised once which is where I was diagnosed Bipolar II . While in the Hospital my insurance company decided not to pay for me to stay simply because I needed to be stablised , They deemed me not suicidal enough . So they put me in Partial which they would only pay for 4 days . They said sorry , Thats the breaks.  I had checked myself into the hospital to start with because I had been planning on Killing myself .I had even written my letters to my loved ones , I ended up going for help because I knew I would do it if I didnt get help . My overall experience with the medical proffession  has not been good concerning my Bipolar I still want to die on a regular basis and my experience has been that they care about the damn money more than whether I get well or not . Sorry if that sounds negative its simply the closest to the truth of how I feel about my treatment . I feel like Im being kept in Limbo . Not enough to off myself and not enough to feel well either. Thats basically been my experience in a nutshell . I have been lucky at least I had Insurance the first time .  I am currently going through a depressive episode so please forgive my bitter , down attitude . Tab

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Hypnogogic states are the states that occur between waking and sleeping. Funny things happen there… GreetinX        X        X       Bas `The iron tongue of midnight hath told twelve;  Lovers to bed; `tis almost fairy time.’                                   -Shakespeare                      A midsummer Night’s Dream                     DE  DIGITALE  STAD

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I take 20 mg of paxil daily and I find that it helps I don’t suffer any side effects(thank heavens) I find  that for me it is a good ad

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>I take 20 mg of paxil daily and I find that it helps >I don’t suffer any side effects(thank heavens) >I find  that for me it is a good ad

I found that it made me manic. Suprisingly enough I found out that it the UK it is contra-indicated with mania. My GP wasn’t reading his BNF when he prescribed it… I found that sertraline suited me better. Hugh. Hugh Davies-Webb

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I’ve been taking Paxil for over two years.  I was very fortunate that it worked for me, since it was my first AD.  When I was in the denial stage of my illness, I used to try reducing the medication on my own, and I really wreaked havoc in my brain chemistry!  I got weird dreams, night sweating, hypomanic, irratic mood swings and behaviours, and disrupted sleep patterns.  I found that once I was back on my usual dose, I was okay again.  Even if I tried to reduce the dose as small as 10 mg from my usual dose, I’d get these "withdrawl" symptoms immediately.  Nonetheless, the drug has kept me well thus far. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I take 20 mg of paxil daily and I find that it helps >I don’t suffer any side effects(thank heavens) >I find  that for me it is a good ad > I found that it made me manic. Suprisingly enough I found out that it > the UK it is contra-indicated with mania. My GP wasn’t reading his BNF > when he prescribed it… I found that sertraline suited me better. > Hugh. > Hugh Davies-Webb

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It seems that the paxil helped to correct your brain chemistry! I have never heard of withdrawal side effects like that. However, I do know that some of these medications due have some type of effect when cutting back on the dosage. Philip Kirschner HTTP://WWW.DISABLEDFORGORE.ORG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I’ve been taking Paxil for over two years.  I was very fortunate that it > worked for me, since it was my first AD.  When I was in the denial stage > of my illness, I used to try reducing the medication on my own, and I > really wreaked havoc in my brain chemistry!  I got weird dreams, night > sweating, hypomanic, irratic mood swings and behaviours, and disrupted > sleep patterns.  I found that once I was back on my usual dose, I was okay > again.  Even if I tried to reduce the dose as small as 10 mg from my usual > dose, I’d get these "withdrawl" symptoms immediately.  Nonetheless, the > drug has kept me well thus far. > >I take 20 mg of paxil daily and I find that it helps > >I don’t suffer any side effects(thank heavens) > >I find  that for me it is a good ad > I found that it made me manic. Suprisingly enough I found out that it > the UK it is contra-indicated with mania. My GP wasn’t reading his BNF > when he prescribed it… I found that sertraline suited me better. > Hugh. > Hugh Davies-Webb

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Philip Kirschner schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It seems that the paxil helped to correct your brain chemistry! I have never > heard of withdrawal side effects like that. However, I do know that some of > these medications due have some type of effect when cutting back on the > dosage. > Philip Kirschner > HTTP://WWW.DISABLEDFORGORE.ORG > I’ve been taking Paxil for over two years.  I was very fortunate that it > worked for me, since it was my first AD.  When I was in the denial stage > of my illness, I used to try reducing the medication on my own, and I > really wreaked havoc in my brain chemistry!  I got weird dreams, night > sweating, hypomanic, irratic mood swings and behaviours, and disrupted > sleep patterns.  I found that once I was back on my usual dose, I was okay

That’s funny! I had all the same effects, but not on adjusting the dose, but just on taking it. On the other hand I just took 20 mg/day, so it might be dose related. When stopping/reducing/forgetting meds I had hypomanic, irritable mood, unstable affect and hallucinations. The disrupted sleep patterns, weird dreams, increased sweating (day&night), nausea, puking and diarhea were things that lasted throughout the complete therapy (those side-effects did really suck! I had less side effects on APs!) The withdrawl-period for me was short, with the longest lasting withdrawleffects lasting not longer than two weeks, while the worst effects were gone within a few days (hallucinations, aggression, unstable affect) for me. > again.  Even if I tried to reduce the dose as small as 10 mg from my usual > dose, I’d get these "withdrawl" symptoms immediately.  Nonetheless, the > drug has kept me well thus far. > > >I take 20 mg of paxil daily and I find that it helps > > >I don’t suffer any side effects(thank heavens) > > >I find  that for me it is a good ad

You can thank God on your knees for that! But how long have you taken it, for me most side effects begun after a month or so, while it made me euphoric/hypomanic (from DEEP!DEEP depression under guidance of Satan in a place called HELL, presenting me once in two days with a relatively normal to hypo mood!) on the third day after I started taking it! Throughout the first and second week it was like I was on XTC or some other illicit Happy-maker like that, and I figured if that was going to last I really should stop taking it! But after a week or three I became stabilized, and I didn’t even get hypomanic or psychotic anymore since then… > > I found that it made me manic. Suprisingly enough I found out that it > > the UK it is contra-indicated with mania. My GP wasn’t reading his BNF > > when he prescribed it… I found that sertraline suited me better. > > Hugh. > > Hugh Davies-Webb

GreetinX        X        X       Bas

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yes, I took it for about a week it was to stong for me

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Sweetdrea:  I am not totally familiar with Paxil, but I did take it for about a month.  The killer side effect I had was anorgasmia, (inability to ejaculate).  Also felt like on a caffeine high, I am very sensitive to caffeine, didn’t used to be till after years of psychoactive meds. The link that Dave gave you will surely answer all your questions. LW >Hi—I’m trying to help a friend—-need any info you can give me as to side >effects >of paxil—-my friend is having terrible nightmares—-any comments about paxil >will help—-I’m trying to become better informed so that I can help my friend >who >is manic-depressive——thanks—–hopeful

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I take 10 mg of Paxil every morning.  It really helped the depression, but it increased the hallucinations and delusions and yes nightmares.  It was very bad at first, but after about 2 months of taking it it has subsided.  I have been on it for around 3 years now.But I can’t over stimutate myself to much in the evening of i have a rotten, but lenghtly sleep. Meow Moew      ^..^ KeKeKat (Christy Moen)

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Thanks for your input—I appreciate all the info I can get—-I’m not manic myself but someone that I love very much is and I need to be informed to be of help—-Thanks again,, Sweet Drea

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Thanks to all who replied—-I will check out all info recommended. Love to all

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>I take 10 mg of Paxil every morning.  It really helped the depression, but >it increased the hallucinations and delusions and yes nightmares.  It was >very bad at first, but after about 2 months of taking it it has subsided.  I >have been on it for around 3 years now.But I can’t over stimutate myself to >much in the evening of i have a rotten, but lenghtly sleep. >Meow Moew >     ^..^ >KeKeKat >(Christy Moen)

Could you describe the hallucinations etc. Could be you have sleep paralysis and hypnogogic hallucinations. Hugh. Hugh Davies-Webb

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> > Could you describe the hallucinations etc. Could be you have sleep > paralysis and hypnogogic hallucinations. > Thec hallucinations is what I have every day for the past three > years, usually they dissipate after my third or fourth mug of coffee, or so, > but sometimes they last  through the whole day.

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>I take 10 mg of Paxil every morning.  It really helped the depression, but >it increased the hallucinations and delusions and yes nightmares.  It was >very bad at first, but after about 2 months of taking it it has subsided. I >have been on it for around 3 years now.But I can’t over stimutate myself to >much in the evening of i have a rotten, but lenghtly sleep. >Meow Moew >     ^..^ >KeKeKat >(Christy Moen)

Hi Christy,  The first time I took paxil, which was years ago, it made me dream weird. All AD made me dream weird.  This time around I don’t dream at all. I do wake up feeling shaky, and light headed. I hate that feeling. It takes about an hour to go away. Lisa, mom of FF. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Hugh Davies-Webb schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I take 10 mg of Paxil every morning.  It really helped the depression, but >it increased the hallucinations and delusions and yes nightmares.  It was >very bad at first, but after about 2 months of taking it it has subsided.  I >have been on it for around 3 years now.But I can’t over stimutate myself to >much in the evening of i have a rotten, but lenghtly sleep. >Meow Moew >     ^..^ >KeKeKat >(Christy Moen) > Could you describe the hallucinations etc. Could be you have sleep > paralysis and hypnogogic hallucinations.

The hypnogogic hallucinations is what I have every day for the past three years, usually they dissipate after my third or fourth mug of coffee, or so, but sometimes they last  through the whole day. What is it ? Is it something BP brings ? It’s obviously caused by an imbalance in NT-systems (Possibly GABA, as muscimol causes the same effects), but what (besides loading myself with stimulants) can I do to stop it, to make this period between waking up and BEING AWAKE shorter. Just wondering. > Hugh. > Hugh Davies-Webb

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Small Phoenix schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am great now, I’m surprised at how many stress I can take while >still feeling Ok on my new medication (Seroxat = Paroxetine). I think >it’s working great for me, my mood swings have decreased in intensity by >something like ninety percent or so. > Seroxat is an antidepressant not a mood stabiliser. Watch out for > manic moments!!! > Best wishes > Jay H > UPDATED Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm > I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. > Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.

I know, the manic moments that I at times exhibit are shorter than before I had the medication, and yet, the decreased self-control that I exhibit while manic seem to be increased. I don’t feel bad when doin’ crazy shit while bein’ hypomanic, haven’t exhibited complete mania since the meds for more than one time (was some three to six hours, bein’ completely drunk). Also I haven’t exhibited psychotic symptoms anymore, I’m clear in the head. My life definitely got better since the meds; I function relatively good – better than anywhere before in my short life. I am especially glad that I can concentrate on school, social contacts, relationships, etc. I’m not psychotic anymore, but I also wasn’t psychotic taking 10 mg Zyprexa every day, yet, I couldn’t concentrate, and was very amotivated and depressed. Seroxat Rules For Me ! Happy Travelings Jay H !  X  X  X Bas

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>I am great now, I’m surprised at how many stress I can take while >still feeling Ok on my new medication (Seroxat = Paroxetine). I think >it’s working great for me, my mood swings have decreased in intensity by >something like ninety percent or so.

Seroxat is an antidepressant not a mood stabiliser. Watch out for manic moments!!! Best wishes Jay H UPDATED Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.

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Ok, a few days ago I wrote something ’bout my manic friend, 1 or 2 days later he got completely psychotic (meaning that no question I fired at him got returned by an understandable answer – totally incoherent) and messed up my room, my pet-rats; one in the trash can, had to fish him out of a container (it was my most dear rat – Flip, he came when I called him, making sounds like an old perculator, he always makes that sound, the rithm of the soun tells me how he feels, he felt great in the garbage, but he was very glad to see me). My keys were gone and all kind of crazy shit happened. I was psychotic before, in my manic as well as in my depressed periods, but never like this. I hope my friend will be Ok, he’s taking Semap now (that’s Orap depot) and I hope he will continue taking it. I was previously diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder, but I believe my friend has more Schizo-like things when psychotic. I hope he’ll be allright. I am great now, I’m surprised at how many stress I can take while still feeling Ok on my new medication (Seroxat = Paroxetine). I think it’s working great for me, my mood swings have decreased in intensity by something like ninety percent or so. Happy Travelings On The Desert Of High Hopes & Love A Thousand Kisses ! Bas                     DE  DIGITALE  STAD

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> Flattening of affect is a well established side effect for some people on

Someone wrote and asked what I meant by this phrase. In its extreme form, it means emotionless, numb, you don’t ‘feel anything’. You don’t get happy, you don’t get sad. More specifically, you don’t react emotionally to situations which would normally evoke some kind of emotional response. In milder forms, the reaction is unusually small considering the situation, like reacting ‘oh, that’s nice’ when told you have just won $12M in the lottery, and meaning it. BTW, I think we have all experienced inappropriately mild reactions to serious events. We call it ‘going into shock’. Shock seems to act. among other things, like a kind of emotional circuit breaker that keeps us from being overwhelmed, and therefor allows us to apply our intellect or instincts to ‘cope’. Flattening of affect is different from anhedonia, where the symptom is inability to get _pleasure_ from life. While relief from the suffering of depression or anxiety is a positive thing, some people who also experience flattening of affect, like the woman in the original post, are not sure it is worth it. Luckily, it is _not_, as far as I know, all that common as a response to ADDs. However, it does occur. I don’t recall seeing any figures, but I believe when it does occur, it is reversable, like most side effects. As I wrote in my original post, I believe I detected some flattening of affect in myself on paxil that went away when I switched to serzone. Your mileage may (and probably will) vary. Rich

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Has Citalopram ruined my mother’s life? I enclose a letter written by my mother, where she describes her situation after taking anti depression medication recommended by her doctor. My questions are: Has anyone experienced similar situations with the use of Citalopram or similar anti depression medication? And if so, is the below described situation permanent or temporary? Does anyone know what resources I should contact to get more information/help? I am very grateful for all input, as the situation is getting more critical every day. Thanks in advance Tarje Johnsen (her son) – - – Citalopram attacked solar plexus and stole my emotional life. My name is Bj