SSRIs

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> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

Yes. I started missing periods on Tegretol. Missed periods while taking Ativan or Xanax with Zoloft. Now I’m just taking 200 mg Zoloft and seem to be back on schedule. Or is it menopause?  I dunno. — Wordy "Be who you are and say what you feel,  because those who mind don’t matter,…  and those who matter don’t mind." –Dr. Seuss

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lol – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Organization: TelstraSaturn > Newsgroups: alt.support.depression.manic > Underneath all the issues, I like to think I’m pretty smart. > Having said that, there are some things I just can’t answer. > Thanks for reminding me of that fact ;-D > Hugs > Bruce > do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

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> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

hmm, no, but i can say that the pill tends to make my moods a bit more stable. or that could’ve just been coincidence. who knows at this point. maybe the bipolar makes my hormones go rampant, not the other way around. who knows. who knows.

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> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

i think its a known side effect of a lot of meds… which ones are you taking? ssris tend to do that… hugs m — ~~~~~>><:>~~~~~ iriXx "you can try the best you can…   you can try the best you can… …the best you can is good enough" radiohead: optomistic

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hai Alexia, -I’m loosing hair because of Depakote (I can’t see it when I look in the mirror, but I definetly see it on my bathroom floor.. – Risperdal made me producing milk, like being pregnant – Depakote is changing my size of bra I guess, two weeks a months, before Depakote, that happened two days a month, but I might be wrong.. Marie-Elise – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to > meds? > i get pms more and more and ms less and less > hmmmm > (my hair has gotten straighter too)

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do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to meds? i get pms more and more and ms less and less hmmmm (my hair has gotten straighter too)

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Underneath all the issues, I like to think I’m pretty smart. Having said that, there are some things I just can’t answer. Thanks for reminding me of that fact ;-D Hugs Bruce – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >do any of you (women) find that your menstrual cycle changes according to >meds? >i get pms more and more and ms less and less >hmmmm >(my hair has gotten straighter too)

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Even though the package insert for Prozac and the Physicians Desk Reference list no sexual side effects for Prozac when taken for depression, a review of the current literature will tell you that from 40 to 80 per cent of patients expereience sexual dysfunction with the SSRI’s.  For me, Prozac has caused a drastic reduction on libido, an inability to sustain an erection, difficulty in achieving orgasm and much less pleasurable sensation.   My psychiatrist recommended cutting the dosage of Prozac in half to 10 mg.day. This did not help. In fact, I had a relapse and went back to 20 mg a day of Prozac.   He is now recommending adding 75 mg of Wellbutrin SR per day to augment the Prozac and hopefuly relieve the sexual dysfunction.  I would really appretiate anyone who has taken this combination letting me know if it worked to reverse the sexual dusfunction.  Also, I take 3 to 4 mg of Xanax a day to alleviate the anxiety caused by the Prozac, and am therefore concerned about any increased agitation caused by the addition of the Wellbutrin. My psychiatrist said I was too concerned about increased agitation;  he stated I could simply increase the dosage of Xanax.  However, he did no realize I was taking 3 to 4 mg a day of Xanax.  He had thought I was taking three to 4 0.25 mg tablets a day rather than 3 to 4 mg even though he wrote the prescription.  He said he had failed to check my chart when he approved the increase from 3 to 4 mg per day when I told him that I was having a relapse. Note:  I had *no* sexual dysfuntion and minimal anxiety problems prior to taking Prozac.  My depression had no effect on these areas. Also, interested in any other solutions people have attempted and their results;  ie.: Switching to Serzone or augmenting an SSRI with Serzone Switching to Remeon or augmenting an SSRI with Remeron (My psychiatrist did not recommend Remeron because he said it was too new and caused excessive sedation, more so than Serzone). Really appreciate some real life expereiences and not just material read from medical journals.  Thanks!!!

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> (My psychiatrist did not recommend Remeron because he said it was too > new and caused excessive sedation, more so than Serzone). > Really appreciate some real life expereiences and not just material > read from medical journals.  Thanks!!!

That’s true about Remeron.  It makes people fat too.   I’d suggest getting off Xanax – it’s a benzodiazepine, and they’re addictive. Gingko biloba tablets may help with the sexual dysfunction side: www.sexual-enhancement-gingko.com   A sugary meal/drink may help.

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http://www.sexual-enhancement-gingko.com/sexual-enhancement.htm There is general agreement of a low risk associated with Ginkgo extract products. In one study , gingko biloba by itself, improved erectile dysfunction in a group of impotent males after six months of use. The discovery of Ginkgo biloba extract’s (GBE) ability to reverse antidepressant-induced sexual dysfunction was reported in patients studied over a 6-8 week period. Five patients treated for DSM-IV diagnosis of Depression with an SSRI (fluoxetine or sertraline) developed sexual dysfunction during the course of their treatment. The three men in the study reported anorgasmia, decreased libido, and erectile failure. The two women had anorgasmia, delayed orgasm and decreased libido. Each patient was started on a course of GBE 60 mg. (50:1 extract) twice a day. In another study, each patient chose to continue the treatment for an open ended period with clinical monitoring of symptoms. Three patients described brief periods of discontinuation of the GBE with a concomitant return of the ASD. The male patients,ages 45, 42, and 38, each had a single episode of non- psychotic major depression. The women, 48 and 49, had recurrent, unipolar depression, non-psychotic. Both women also had Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. Their thyroid indices were normal on replacement T-4. There were no other medical conditions, nor substance abuse problems. Adverse reactions to the GBE were minimal and did not disrupt the treatment. Some gastro-intestinal complaints and lightheadedness were reported. No abnormal bleeding nor bruising occurred.

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i tried just about all the usuall treatments for sexual dysfuntion and nothing worked.   cyproheptadine,  stimulants and so on did nothing. very low dose zoloft worked but it might not be enough to treat your depression. i found with the effexor tablets i could get a few hours a day of normal sexual function before having to take the days dosage. i eventually just gave up – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Even though the package insert for Prozac and the Physicians Desk >Reference list no sexual side effects for Prozac when taken for >depression, a review of the current literature will tell you that from >40 to 80 per cent of patients expereience sexual dysfunction with the >SSRI’s.  For me, Prozac has caused a drastic reduction on libido, an >inability to sustain an erection, difficulty in achieving orgasm and >much less pleasurable sensation.   >My psychiatrist recommended cutting the dosage of Prozac in half to 10 >mg.day. This did not help. In fact, I had a relapse and went back to >20 mg a day of Prozac.   He is now recommending adding 75 mg of >Wellbutrin SR per day to augment the Prozac and hopefuly relieve the >sexual dysfunction.  I would really appretiate anyone who has taken >this combination letting me know if it worked to reverse the sexual >dusfunction.  Also, I take 3 to 4 mg of Xanax a day to alleviate the >anxiety caused by the Prozac, and am therefore concerned about any >increased agitation caused by the addition of the Wellbutrin. My >psychiatrist said I was too concerned about increased agitation;  he >stated I could simply increase the dosage of Xanax.  However, he did >no realize I was taking 3 to 4 mg a day of Xanax.  He had thought I >was taking three to 4 0.25 mg tablets a day rather than 3 to 4 mg even >though he wrote the prescription.  He said he had failed to check my >chart when he approved the increase from 3 to 4 mg per day when I told >him that I was having a relapse. >Note:  I had *no* sexual dysfuntion and minimal anxiety problems prior >to taking Prozac.  My depression had no effect on these areas. >Also, interested in any other solutions people have attempted and >their results;  ie.: >Switching to Serzone or augmenting an SSRI with Serzone >Switching to Remeon or augmenting an SSRI with Remeron >(My psychiatrist did not recommend Remeron because he said it was too >new and caused excessive sedation, more so than Serzone). >Really appreciate some real life expereiences and not just material >read from medical journals.  Thanks!!!

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Dear All I was hoping you might be able to give me some advice.  I am being treated for depression by my GP (in the uk).  I have taken prozac on and off for several years, and recently doctor suggested that I should go back on it long term.  However, a couple of weeks after starting it I got this really bizarre side effect – my throat felt really swollen and sore, like there was a lump stuck in it.  Went back to the doctor, he took me off the prozac, said I should wait until the throat got better (which it did after 2 1/2 weeks), then start taking Sertraline (Lustral in uk, Zoloft elsewhere?).  After 3 days, the throat symptoms are back. My questions are these – 1) how long should I take the sertraline before knowing for certain that the throat feeling is not going to get better? and 2) if I can’t take prozac and sertraline does that mean I will have the same symptoms with all SSRIs? and 3) if I can’t take SSRIs to help with my depression, what can I take? I have a light box to help with the SAD in winter, and try to exercise whenever I can, but I’m still not really leading a normal life – particularly with all this bother with the throat – it just makes me even more ‘ratty’! Any advice would be greatfully accepted Thanks Alison

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<snip> > My questions are these – 1) how long should I take the sertraline before > knowing for certain that the throat feeling is not going to get better? > and

I don’t know anything about your throat problem, so I can’t comment on that. Though it seems like your doctor should try to figure out what the throat problem is exactly. > 2) if I can’t take prozac and sertraline does that mean I will have > the same symptoms with all SSRIs? and

No, not necessarily. Although the SSRIs are all broadly similar, they do have slightly different side-effect profiles. 3) if I can’t take SSRIs to help > with my depression, what can I take?

There are lots of other anti-depressants available that are also generally well-tolerated and effective. The SSRIs are just the newest class of them, and in some ways considered to have the most tolerable side effects and most effectiveness. Check out a site like www.mentalhealth.com or www.rxlist.com to see some of the others. Bright blessings. Fiona — If we had no winter, the spring would not be so pleasant: if we did not sometimes taste the adversity, prosperity would not be so welcome.      – Anne Bradstreet, Meditations Divine and Moral, 1664

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Thanks for your reply – I think I must have been checked out for most things – I seemed to have about a million different blood tests before the doctor was convinced it was depression.  My blood pressure was quite high for a while too, so they tested loads of things then!  What would be the symptoms of hyperthyroidism? Alison – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Did your GP have you checked for hypothyroidism? > Dear All > I was hoping you might be able to give me some advice.  I am being > treated for depression by my GP (in the uk).  I have taken prozac on and > off for several years, and recently doctor suggested that I should go > back on it long term.  However, a couple of weeks after starting it I > got this really bizarre side effect – my throat felt really swollen and > sore, like there was a lump stuck in it.  Went back to the doctor, he > took me off the prozac, said I should wait until the throat got better > (which it did after 2 1/2 weeks), then start taking Sertraline (Lustral > in uk, Zoloft elsewhere?).  After 3 days, the throat symptoms are back. > My questions are these – 1) how long should I take the sertraline before > knowing for certain that the throat feeling is not going to get better? > and 2) if I can’t take prozac and sertraline does that mean I will have > the same symptoms with all SSRIs? and 3) if I can’t take SSRIs to help > with my depression, what can I take? > I have a light box to help with the SAD in winter, and try to exercise > whenever I can, but I’m still not really leading a normal life – > particularly with all this bother with the throat – it just makes me > even more ‘ratty’! > Any advice would be greatfully accepted > Thanks > Alison

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Hi Alison, Welcome to the ng. > I was hoping you might be able to give me some advice.  I am being

Zoloft can cause difficulty swallowing…what has your Internal Medicine doctor advise? Tehere are several calsse of ADS…TCAs, MAOIS, NARIs…etc. Please discuss options with your doctor. Take care. Lynda

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Alison, I have been taking Cipramil (another SSRI) for most of this year and had a very similar problem a few months ago – feeling like I had a lump in my throat.  I went to my doctor but she couldn’t see anything – my throat looked completely normal.  At the time I was also suffering very badly from headaches and went to get some acupuncture for them.  I also mentioned the strange lump in my throat feeling and the acupuncturalist immediately seemed to know what it was and described it as ‘plum stone throat’, a condition caused by stress.  This did make sense as  the sensation was just  the same as the lump I get in my throat if I’m trying not to cry, except it went on for days – plus I knew the headaches were stress-related anyway.  She treated me for it with needles and it did indeed go away and I’ve not had it again – acupuncture tends to work quite well for me, but it might not for everyone. Do get your thyroid checked out (I’ve had mine checked frequently and it’s fine) but if there’s no physical lump my guess is it’s a stress-related thing, or maybe a side effect of the SSRIs causing a stress-like reaction. Bug

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Dear All > I was hoping you might be able to give me some advice.  I am being > treated for depression by my GP (in the uk).  I have taken prozac on and > off for several years, and recently doctor suggested that I should go > back on it long term.  However, a couple of weeks after starting it I > got this really bizarre side effect – my throat felt really swollen and > sore, like there was a lump stuck in it.  Went back to the doctor, he > took me off the prozac, said I should wait until the throat got better > (which it did after 2 1/2 weeks), then start taking Sertraline (Lustral > in uk, Zoloft elsewhere?).  After 3 days, the throat symptoms are back. > My questions are these – 1) how long should I take the sertraline before > knowing for certain that the throat feeling is not going to get better? > and 2) if I can’t take prozac and sertraline does that mean I will have > the same symptoms with all SSRIs? and 3) if I can’t take SSRIs to help > with my depression, what can I take? > I have a light box to help with the SAD in winter, and try to exercise > whenever I can, but I’m still not really leading a normal life – > particularly with all this bother with the throat – it just makes me > even more ‘ratty’! > Any advice would be greatfully accepted > Thanks > Alison

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I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

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I dub thee "guinea pig".  If you survive (very likely), please report, and consider making a trip report, along with any adverse effects, if any. thank you, ~Matthias "My mind is glowing…"

| I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM | trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once | every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How | much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the | DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a | SSRI. Has anybody else tried this? |

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>I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM >trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once >every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How >much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the >DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a >SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

First of all, don’t.  Second, if you must, ONLY attempt this at very low doses of DXM.  I don’t know about when you would take the Paxil (never would be good). — Joel Crump

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> I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

   This idea is totally stupid. — http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com. My "Beginner’s Guide to DXM"- Version 2.3, and other DXM related material can be accessed from there. Revised with new section on known recreational DXM use deaths: http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com/dxmdeaths.htm

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> > I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a >  DXM > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? >  How > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take >  the > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it >  as a > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

if you try it, make the DXM a VERY LOW dose.. and i mean DAMN LOW. when i used to take paxil, i would get a huge buzz from two tablespoons of any cough syrup, no lie. i had to stop taking cough drops during school because i would start to get fucked up after about 3 or 4. that is no exageration either.

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>>I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM >trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once >every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How >much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the >DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a >SSRI. Has anybody else tried this? >First of all, don’t.  Second, if you must, ONLY attempt this at very >low doses of DXM.  I don’t know about when you would take the Paxil >(never would be good).

I don’t know what the interaction between Paxil and DXM would be.  I do know from personal experience that DXM doesn’t seem to interact with Wellbutrin or Effexor.  There are so many people using Paxil and DXM and I haven’t read about any bad experiences on alt.drugs.  You get to be a guinea pig and inform us of your experience.

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I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really sucked.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter a DXM > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this once > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative interactions? How > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take the > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it as a > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this?

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Hehehehehe!  The best stuff is usually the most dangerous, ‘eh? ~Matthias "My mind is glowing…"

| I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back | to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really | sucked. | |

| > I’m considering buying some Paxil off of some guy to inhibit 2D6 to alter | a DXM | > trip. Would this have any risk of seratonin syndrome? Would doing this | once | > every 2 weeks have any risk of SSRI activity or other negative | interactions? How | > much should I take to inhibit 2D6 as a one-time dose, 1 hour before I take | the | > DXM? I know not to take SSRIs for depression, but I’m not going to take it | as a | > SSRI. Has anybody else tried this? | > | |

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> I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back > to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really > sucked.

    I’ll gather you didn’t read my warnings not to do that? — http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com. My "Beginner’s Guide to DXM"- Version 2.3, and other DXM related material can be accessed from there. Revised with new section on known recreational DXM use deaths: http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com/dxmdeaths.htm

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I honstely don’t remember, this was a few years ago.  My memory’s not too clear (because of the lesions?).  All the doctors told me I was extremely lucky to have lived and recovered from the experience as well as I did.  I think my heart rate was at 170 for about 24 hours and slowly started returning to normal after that.  My eyes were also doing REMs while my lids were open. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->     I’ll gather you didn’t read my warnings not to do that? > — > http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com. My "Beginner’s Guide to DXM"- Version 2.3, > and other DXM related material can be accessed from there. > Revised with new section on known recreational DXM use deaths: > http://www.rfgdxm.f2s.com/dxmdeaths.htm

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>I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really >sucked.

How many milligrams of DXM did you consume?

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Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came back >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really really >sucked. > How many milligrams of DXM did you consume?

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There’s your problem.  Know we don’t know if it was the paxil, or the coricdin that did you in.  Shit, you really are lucky to be alive.  For all we know, the paxil saved your life! ~Matthias "My mind is glowing…"

| Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much. | | |

| > >I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came | back | > >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really | really | > >sucked. | > | > How many milligrams of DXM did you consume? | > | > | > | |

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I imagine it was a little of everything.  Until that point I had done Coicidin many times.  Never a 4P though.  Now that I think about it, there were 2 other occaisions where I did DXM with Paxil.  They were both with pure DXM powder and not Coricidin.  They were all completely fucked up but the Coricidin + Paxil trip was just chaotic as hell and affected my motor control a lot more than the pure DXM.  For example, when I took Coricidin and Paxil, my friend said (before I got escorted to the ER) that my right leg was spasming uncontrollably.  Uh, that’s all I got right now, I’m buzzing pretty hard. > There’s your problem.  Know we don’t know if it was the paxil, or the

coricdin that did you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> in.  Shit, you really are lucky to be alive.  For all we know, the paxil saved your life! > ~Matthias > "My mind is glowing…" > | Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much. > | > | > | > | > >I did a 4P on paxil.  I had the most incredible trip ever.  I also came > | back > | > >to reality in the ER.  I won’t go into detail, but that part really > | really > | > >sucked. > | > > | > How many milligrams of DXM did you consume? > | > > | > > | > > | > |

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>Slightly over  a gram.  Coricidin.  That didn’t help things much.

I regularly consume 1180mg.  Sometimes I buy 2 8oz bottles of 15mg/ml syrup and consume them for a total of over 1400mg. Sometimes it barely fazes me and other time I trip balls. Stay away from Coricidin!  I have access to pure 15mg/ml syrup and 10mg/ml syrup combined with guanefeisan.

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> groetjes en van hartelijk welkom > sorry…. i speak dutch and its a bit rusty… ;o))) > hi and welcome though.

Hi and thank you, you did fine! ) > i know efexor can make you drowsy when you’re first using it too – the > side effects wear off in a couple of weeks though. same with a lot of > other things – hang in there, once your body gets adjusted to them the > side effects can tend to disappear.

Yes, the side effects are gone, but when something "bad" happens, it’s back to "start", same pain in stomach, same feeling of no power… > i’m also waiting for the moment before deciding about mood stabilisers – > but thats cos my bipolar is mild, i have cyclothymia. if you’ve got > bipolar II, maybe thats why your doctor is waiting for a bit.. or if you > have a tendency more towards depression than mania?…

I don’t know which bipolar I have … yes, I have a tendency towards depression. *sighs* > all the best

Thank you, you too! Ragnar – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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>>groetjes en van hartelijk welkom >sorry…. i speak dutch and its a bit rusty… ;o))) >hi and welcome though. > Hi and thank you, you did fine! )

wat leuk! ;o))) well its a few years since i was speaking it… i used to live in Utrecht… but i can still remember a few things i guess…! > Yes, the side effects are gone, but when something "bad" happens, it’s back > to "start", same pain in stomach, same feeling of no power…

(((…. that doesnt sound like much fun…. i still get some side effects from the sertraline i take, they come and go. if its really disturbing you (which it sounds like it is (((… ) then its worth asking your doc about alternatives. i’d definatley ask about a mood stabiliser rather than the ones which are sedating you heavily, as lynda suggested – because with what i’m on, i can hardly feel the meds, which is cool… i feel more like "me", just balanced ))) > I don’t know which bipolar I have … yes, I have a tendency towards > depression. *sighs*

yes, me too… i take sertraline (aka Zoloft or Lustral for us UK peeps) for the depression… at the moment i’m doing something similiar to you and taking diazepam for hypomania… cos mine are only mild. i’ve had a lot of rapid cycles lately though, so its possible i might be thinking about a mood stabiliser – my p-doc is just content to observe for the moment. the different types of bipolar are characterised by how intense and how long the episodes last – bipolar I is the classic "manic-depressive" with longer manic and depressive episodes, bipolar II is less severe but more rapid, hypomania and depression. bipolar III (thats me) is cyclothymia – short cycles of hypomania and depression, sometimes only lasting a few hours or an afternoon. underlying that i have an overall tendency to depression as well. its probably worth you having a look at some of the info that LyndaNP posts – a lot of those pages describe the different types of bipolar very accurately. the main thing to remember is that we’re all individual… its not absolute classifications but rather more like points upon a line… >all the best > Thank you, you too! > Ragnar

no probs ))) take care m — ~~~~~>><:>~~~~ iriXx icq: 125860882 "i’m not here… this isn’t happening…"

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greetings all. I tried to read all the messages, but I couldn’t do it, to restless and my attention went to so many things. I couldn’t concentrate. Doctor says I am bipolar. I take efexor 75 twice a day, and before I go to bed trazodane and seroquel. When I forget to take those pills, I can’t sleep at all. When I take them I feel so fuzzy next day, till late in the afternoon. Many times I think it’s best to end all this. It’s like I have no life. 6 pills a day, no joy, being fuzzy all day, etc. Is this my life for the rest of my life??? Let’s hope not, but it looks like it. I am home since March and I feel I am not progressing at all. Everything I do takes so much energy, and when I have to do something …. it looks like I have to climb a mountain. I sit here all day, staring at this screen. I force myself to be interested in things, but it won’t work. After awhile I go back to bed then, can’t sleep though, mind is going crazy when I am in bed. sorry to bother you, but I wrote this….I don’t know

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> greetings all.

Hello Ragnar… > I tried to read all the messages, but I couldn’t do it, to restless and my > attention went to so many things. I couldn’t concentrate.

Well its not just you some of the messages are a bit loopy :>) > Doctor says I am bipolar. I take efexor 75 twice a day, and before I go to > bed trazodane and seroquel. When I forget to take those pills, I can’t sleep > at all. When I take them I feel so fuzzy next day, till late in the > afternoon. > Many times I think it’s best to end all this. It’s like I have no life. 6 > pills a day, no joy, being fuzzy all day, etc. Is this my life for the rest > of my life??? Let’s hope not, but it looks like it.

NO NO..it just seems like it at the moment… the way you are feeling… > I am home since March and I feel I am not progressing at all. Everything I > do takes so much energy, and when I have to do something …. it looks like > I have to climb a mountain. > I sit here all day, staring at this screen. I force myself to be interested > in things, but it won’t work. After awhile I go back to bed then, can’t > sleep though, mind is going crazy when I am in bed. > sorry to bother you, but I wrote this….I don’t know

yes you do know ….why and lots of us are exactly like that.. a bit of feedback can be a good thing.. bring the screen alive at least. hello again Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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bobwhelan heeft geschreven> > >Well its not just you some of the messages are a bit loopy :>) >NO NO..it just seems like it at the moment… >the way you are feeling… >yes you do know ….why and lots of us are exactly like that.. >a bit of feedback can be a good thing.. >bring the screen alive at least. >hello again >Bob

Thank you Bob, your kind words are much appreciated. *smiles* Ragnar

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> bobwhelan heeft geschreven> > >Well its not just you some of the messages are a bit loopy :>) >NO NO..it just seems like it at the moment… >the way you are feeling… >yes you do know ….why and lots of us are exactly like that.. >a bit of feedback can be a good thing.. >bring the screen alive at least. >hello again >Bob > Thank you Bob, your kind words are much appreciated. *smiles* > Ragnar

thats OK Ragnar… How are things in Belgium? Here in England we have has a burst of winter ..ice snow and such but its gone now.. While it was here we thought it would go on for ever but it didnt. Of course it will be back.. Carpem Diem.. grasp the time :>) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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bobwhelan heeft geschreven in bericht: Hello Bob. >How are things in Belgium?

Rainy, chilly, but things are ok, I guess. Sabena, our national airliner is in big trouble, but it’s been that way a very looooong time. Can’t remember otherwise. The euro is coming fast. Oh boy, that will change alot here… we will need calculators and such. It’s very weird when I look at my bank account. I don’t know how much money I still have! Yesterday I installed ZoneAlarm, a firewall. It looks good (crosses my fingers). I have cable and I was advised to install an extra firewall. I truly wish these pills are out of my life…. maybe it will, some day. >Here in England we have has a burst of winter ..ice snow and such but its >gone now.. >While it was here we thought it would go on for ever but it didnt. >Of course it will be back..

Winter …. yukes!!!! The holidays are coming and really I hate that period. It’s so artificial … >Carpem Diem..

Carpe diem, trying to, very hard >grasp the time :>)

Ragnar )

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  Welcome to the ng, > greetings all. > I tried to read all the messages, but I couldn’t do it, to restless and my > attention went to so many things. I couldn’t concentrate. > Doctor says I am bipolar. I take efexor 75 twice a day, and before I go to > bed trazodane and seroquel.

snipped…  May I ask why you are not taking a mood stabilizer for your bipolar Duisorder? The Seroquel and Trazodone can contribute to your lethargy. Peace, Lynda

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>   Welcome to the ng,

Thank you, Lynda. >  May I ask why you are not taking a mood stabilizer for your bipolar > Duisorder?

The doctor says it’s not the time for that, yet. I’ll see him tomorrow. > The Seroquel and Trazodone can contribute to your lethargy.

Yes possible. I do hope this will end some day. > Peace, > Lynda

Peace and thank you, Lynda. Ragnar

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> greetings all.

groetjes en van hartelijk welkom sorry…. i speak dutch and its a bit rusty… ;o))) hi and welcome though. i know efexor can make you drowsy when you’re first using it too – the side effects wear off in a couple of weeks though. same with a lot of other things – hang in there, once your body gets adjusted to them the side effects can tend to disappear. a lot of psychopharmacology is a case of the doctor listening to you, and how discomforting the side effects of your meds are – when i’ve been on things that have given nasty side effects, i’ve often been shifted onto something else – after all, my depression will only get worse if i’m being made miserable by my medication. it *is* possible to find drugs which will both make you feel better and have bearable side-effects ))). i’m also waiting for the moment before deciding about mood stabilisers – but thats cos my bipolar is mild, i have cyclothymia. if you’ve got bipolar II, maybe thats why your doctor is waiting for a bit.. or if you have a tendency more towards depression than mania?… all the best ‘care m — ~~~~~>><:>~~~~ iriXx icq: 125860882 "i’m not here… this isn’t happening…"

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I had been on Zoloft to treat depression for a long time, many years. However, it interfered with my sleep.  I couldn’t sleep, actually.  So I told my doctor I was going to gradually reduce the dosage & stop taking it to see what happened.  Well, I have been very depressed lately & yesterday I had a panic attack at work.  Today I went back to the doctor & asked if there were any other drugs I could take that wouldn’t interfere with my sleep as much & they gave me Celexa.  Where can I find information about this drug?  Has anyone here taken it & did it make you wide awake in the middle of the night?  Thanks. Kim Miller Bow-Wow: http://members.tripod.com/allaboutdogs/ Christmas Dreams: http://members.tripod.com/joyfulchristmas/ Surf Minnesota: http://www.surfminnesota.net/ Personal Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/ ICQ: 48547727

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Hello Kim. About 18 months ago I was on Celexa. I think out of all the SSRI’s I have tried, and they all make me manic, I slept the best on Celexa. You may be tired for a week or so when first taking it or increasing the dosage, but sleep for me and overall wakefulness was the best with Celexa. Right now I’m on Paxil 20 mg. from 30 mg. Mania is a horrible feeling,although productive but irritable and restless. Also on Paxil 30 mg. I lost my pleasure in a lot of things. People say they lose interest in sex or sustaining a relationship but for me I lost interest in everything but sex. I am just starting to feel like I’m getting back to the things I love, and that’s an anti-depressant in itself. Hope all goes well for you Philip

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> I had been on Zoloft to treat depression for a long time, many years. > However, it interfered with my sleep.  I couldn’t sleep, actually.  So > I told my doctor I was going to gradually reduce the dosage & stop > taking it to see what happened.  Well, I have been very depressed > lately & yesterday I had a panic attack at work.  Today I went back to > the doctor & asked if there were any other drugs I could take that > wouldn’t interfere with my sleep as much & they gave me Celexa.  Where > can I find information about this drug?  Has anyone here taken it & > did it make you wide awake in the middle of the night?  Thanks.

I was on Celexa, and it made me drowsy, so I took it at night because I have insomnia. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<snip> >wouldn’t interfere with my sleep as much & they gave me Celexa.  Where >can I find information about this drug?  Has anyone here taken it & >did it make you wide awake in the middle of the night?  Thanks. >Kim Miller

Hi Kim, I’ve been on Celexa for about 2 years now and find that it’s an excellent anti-depressent.  I have no trouble sleeping on it, though it does give me really vivid dreams that sometimes wake me up 3 or 4 times in a night, but I have no trouble getting back to sleep. Cheers, Peter.

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Thanks everyone.  I am not doing so good right now & it is nice to find a supportive group like this.

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Yes, Zoloft seemed to help me for a long time except for the sleeping problem.  Thanks for the info.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It appears from your post,  that Zoloft helped you for > many years except for your one problem with insomnia.. > The  idea of  trying Celexa does not seem like a bad > idea.   But no way to tell ahead of time where this > will all end up. > For your situation as described in your post,  where > you were able to take  Zoloft for many years the idea > of trying Celexa as suggested by the Doctor could turn > out OK due to the reduced side effects of the drug. But > no way to know.  If it doesn’t work, you might want to > consider going back to your "old faithful" Zoloft, and > then solve the insomnia problem some other way. > Good luck in your efforts.

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I meant to say I got a prescription for it.  My sister is on it too & so far, she has no trouble sleeping but has tremors.  I don’t know how long she’s been on it, she said not too long.  My doctor listens to me too & if a drug is not helping me, I will speak up.  If a doctor doesn’t listen to me the first time, they will the second time or I’ll find one who will. >BTW  Meant to ask what you meant when you said the >doctor "gave you" Celexa. Did that mean a "free" >sample?. Or did it mean a prescription.? . Was not >aware that  Celexa has free samples so your information >could be of help on that point. >Have been wondering how come it is not prescribed more. >Whether that could be because Celexa is not a US drug, >or because it is not advertised here like the others on >television,   or whether on not the free sample >situation  might be a factor.

Kim Miller Bow-Wow: http://members.tripod.com/allaboutdogs/ Christmas Dreams: http://members.tripod.com/joyfulchristmas/ Surf Minnesota: http://www.surfminnesota.net/ Personal Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/ ICQ: 48547727

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Yes, my doctor had a 7 day package. I guess the pharmaceutical company is on a hot marketing campaign for Celexa.  I am certain that it works well for other people.  My sleep wasn’t disturbed and I am listening to what Zoloft is doing to sleep patterns for others. I haven’t started the Effexor yet. Planning on doing that next Thursday.  Just needed to chill a little more after the Celexa experience. I am so pleased that this doctor listens to me. I would bolt and hide in this deep, dark hole for a while.  Not a pleasant thought, but I insist on having some control over what happens to my brain! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Yes, Zoloft seemed to help me for a long time except for the sleeping >problem.  Thanks for the info. >There has been quite a bit of discussion lately on >Celexa and I felt that one of the things being missed >in this and  other threads,  was the superior side >effects of Celexa. >Though Celexa does have side effects and those side >effects can still be sufficient to be bad news for some >people.   >Sort of  3 situations. >Situation 1 >You like the SSRIs, they help you, get along with >things like Zoloft, and are likely to get along with >something like Celexa "too". >For you the tradeoff is if you stay on Zoloft, you have >a "sure winner:"    However,  you have already decided >that you would like to be off of Zoloft and would like >to try something else. Maybe already off it  in part. >And  have a doctor working with you ,  recommending >Celexa. >There is a  reasonable chance of having Celexa at least >working for the depression , and maybe better for you >due to lower side effects as compared to your Zoloft. >But the entire thing is like a gamble.  Might get >something better, might screw it up. >The important thing is that it should be  "your >decision" based on whatever information you can find >including what the doctor recommends.   >We  can all hope  your new try at  "Celexa" works for >you. >—– >Situation 2 >Another  thread  about Celex , where Marilyn has a >number of really awful side effects.  Both on a prior >attempt at Zoloft, and on a recent excursion into >Celexa.  In that situation she is fortunate to have a >doctor that "listens" to her    In the situation 2 >thread , she and her doctor are about to try Effexor >We can all hope that in her case "getting rid’ of the >Celexa works for her. >Situation 3 >A situation where dictator doctors try to get people to >use Celexa (or Paxil or Zoloft or other SSRIs) , for >"life" .   In spite of some very bad side effects.  And >bad enough to disrupt some  functionally of living. >And bad enough for "some"  people to want to some extra >relapse risk.     >It is too bad, because the "dictator" type of   doctors >end up in a situation of  de facto declaration of >"war",  on their own  patients.  And thereby end up >depriving them of even the medial care they might have >obtained ,  if they did not take the  "order" the >patient to do this or that  approach. >—- >So seems like it is: >Full speed ahead for you on Celexa,  and your possible >new magic bullet. With the doctors help.   And full >speed ahead on "getting rid" of Celexa for Marilyn. >And on to hopes of Effexor as her possible magic >bullet. . With her  doctor’s help.  And for  those few >(hopefully very few), situation 3 people,  it is full >speed ahead getting rid of Celexa – or equivalents. >In some case with the doctor’s help. In some others >without the doctor’s help. >BTW  Meant to ask what you meant when you said the >doctor "gave you" Celexa. Did that mean a "free" >sample?. Or did it mean a prescription.? . Was not >aware that  Celexa has free samples so your information >could be of help on that point. >Have been wondering how come it is not prescribed more. >Whether that could be because Celexa is not a US drug, >or because it is not advertised here like the others on >television,   or whether on not the free sample >situation  might be a factor. >>It appears from your post,  that Zoloft helped you for >>many years except for your one problem with insomnia.. >>The  idea of  trying Celexa does not seem like a bad >>idea.   But no way to tell ahead of time where this >>will all end up. >>For your situation as described in your post,  where >>you were able to take  Zoloft for many years the idea >>of trying Celexa as suggested by the Doctor could turn >>out OK due to the reduced side effects of the drug. But >>no way to know.  If it doesn’t work, you might want to >>consider going back to your "old faithful" Zoloft, and >>then solve the insomnia problem some other way. >>Good luck in your efforts.

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Well, I think I tried to be friendly to everyone here, including Eric, and his supporter against me, Linda.  And, I also tried to give information on depression and to start a series of lessons on depression and antidperessant.  Maybe I’m just in a pissy mood today, but I just feel I’ve had it. The unwarranted abuse and criticism I receive here is too much – I don’t deserve it, and it hurts my feelings.  So, I’ve decided that I’m important than you are, and certainly more important than shits like Eric.  Why should I give a fuck what he thinks about depression, or medication.  Why should I let these net chats gets more intense than the vacuous, empty prattle that they are; appearing on the screen one moment and disappearing the next. So, there must a better place. Good bye. Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Well, I think I tried to be friendly to everyone > >here, including Eric, and his supporter against me, > >Linda.  And, I also tried to give information > >on depression and to start a series of lessons > >on depression and antidperessant.  Maybe I’m just > >in a pissy mood today, but I just feel I’ve had it. > >The unwarranted abuse and criticism I receive here > >is too much – I don’t deserve it, and it hurts my > >feelings.  So, I’ve decided that I’m important > >than you are, and certainly more important than > >shits like Eric.  Why should I give a fuck what he > >thinks about depression, or medication.  Why should > >I let these net chats gets more intense than the > >vacuous, empty prattle that they are; appearing on > >the screen one moment and disappearing the next. > >So, there must a better place. > >Good bye. > >Squiggles > Squiggles what I dont understand is that I formally apologized to you > recently, > yet soon afterwards you began attacking me and being observedly > smartassing me. > I dont understand that.  You have left this NG maybe twenty times since > youve > been here. Obviously you must hold grudges bad as I had apologized to you. > Eric > I support Eric…and I support Squiggles…I really like both of you…and I > dont support ERIC against you,  squiggles!  I support Eric. from you…cause > you really do tease Eric a lot, which occasionally gets to him, and is bound > to what with Steve so contemptously harassing Eric…I just think sometime > if you get to Eric..with your teasing…you get some of what he feels about > Steves harassing him displaced..etc etc.. > If Steve would stop contemptously harassing Eric…your teasing Eric too > wouldnt end up so badly so often.. > sigh..  Iff only we were all perfect,  we wouldnt be here! > All Psychiatrists should first be trained as Neurologists. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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Squiggles.  I like hearing from you but if you want to take a little "rest" from all of us, you are welcome.  It does get a little tiresome sometimes, what goes on around here (and all the other newsgroups I subscribe to, too.) I wish you the best and hope to see you again soon. (IMHO, no, not humble, just IMO, you contribute a lot to us.) — Val in Boise

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well, I think I tried to be friendly to everyone > here, including Eric, and his supporter against me, > Linda.  And, I also tried to give information > on depression and to start a series of lessons > on depression and antidperessant.  Maybe I’m just > in a pissy mood today, but I just feel I’ve had it. > The unwarranted abuse and criticism I receive here > is too much – I don’t deserve it, and it hurts my > feelings.  So, I’ve decided that I’m important > than you are, and certainly more important than > shits like Eric.  Why should I give a fuck what he > thinks about depression, or medication.  Why should > I let these net chats gets more intense than the > vacuous, empty prattle that they are; appearing on > the screen one moment and disappearing the next. > So, there must a better place. > Good bye. > Squiggles

To yourself you must be the most important person always.  Preserve yourself at all costs.  Just keep in mind going overboard looks like Eric.

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> I support Eric…and I support Squiggles…I really like both of you…and I > dont support ERIC against you,  squiggles!  I support Eric. from you…cause > you really do tease Eric a lot, which occasionally gets to him, and is bound > to what with Steve so contemptously harassing Eric…I just think sometime > if you get to Eric..with your teasing…you get some of what he feels about > Steves harassing him displaced..etc etc.. > If Steve would stop contemptously harassing Eric…your teasing Eric too > wouldnt end up so badly so often..

Is it harassment to call him, in the tone he employs on folks he disagrees with, when he wants to continue spewing his hate, or his disinformation? Everyone has their own definition…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> sigh..  Iff only we were all perfect,  we wouldnt be here!

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> Squiggles.  I like hearing from you but if you want to take a little "rest" > from all of us, you are welcome.  It does get a little tiresome sometimes, > what goes on around here (and all the other newsgroups I subscribe to, too.) > I wish you the best and hope to see you again soon. > (IMHO, no, not humble, just IMO, you contribute a lot to us.) > — > Val in Boise

I appreciate your message Val.  Difficult as it may be to believe I appreciate information from all sources here.  The style of some is abrasive, and presently I have some problems at home (one of my relatives is diagnosed with something) and I am dieting as well — so it may be harder for me to keep my cool.  And as you say a rest from here is perhaps the best thing. Thank you for your kind message. Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well, I think I tried to be friendly to everyone > here, including Eric, and his supporter against me, > Linda.  And, I also tried to give information > on depression and to start a series of lessons > on depression and antidperessant.  Maybe I’m just > in a pissy mood today, but I just feel I’ve had it. > The unwarranted abuse and criticism I receive here > is too much – I don’t deserve it, and it hurts my > feelings.  So, I’ve decided that I’m important > than you are, and certainly more important than > shits like Eric.  Why should I give a fuck what he > thinks about depression, or medication.  Why should > I let these net chats gets more intense than the > vacuous, empty prattle that they are; appearing on > the screen one moment and disappearing the next. > So, there must a better place. > Good bye. > Squiggles > To yourself you must be the most important person always.  Preserve > yourself at all costs.  Just keep in mind going overboard looks like Eric.

Roger Squiggles

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>>Is it harassment to call him, in the tone he employs on folks he >disagrees with, when he wants to continue spewing his hate, or his >disinformation? > You cant come here for the specific purpose of harassing me Steve just because > you disagree with my beliefs. By the very nature of this NG, medications used > for depression are the topic here. Stop coming here to tell me to "get off > drugs" and harassing me cause I am considering ECT. It will only get you

In a previous post you already claimed to have reported me to the which you report to be of doubtful credibility, or you lied, which also casts doubt on your credibility. You are quite entitled to call what I do harassment, if it will help you in some way, Eric. I call it rigorous discussion of your ideas, a discussion which your ill conceived views are not equal to.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Well, I think I tried to be friendly to everyone > >here, including Eric, and his supporter against me, > >Linda.  And, I also tried to give information > >on depression and to start a series of lessons > >on depression and antidperessant.  Maybe I’m just > >in a pissy mood today, but I just feel I’ve had it. > >The unwarranted abuse and criticism I receive here > >is too much – I don’t deserve it, and it hurts my > >feelings.  So, I’ve decided that I’m important > >than you are, and certainly more important than > >shits like Eric.  Why should I give a fuck what he > >thinks about depression, or medication.  Why should > >I let these net chats gets more intense than the > >vacuous, empty prattle that they are; appearing on > >the screen one moment and disappearing the next. > >So, there must a better place. > >Good bye. > >Squiggles > Squiggles what I dont understand is that I formally apologized to you >  recently, > yet soon afterwards you began attacking me and being observedly >  smartassing me. > I dont understand that.  You have left this NG maybe twenty times since >  youve > been here. Obviously you must hold grudges bad as I had apologized to you. > Eric > I support Eric…and I support Squiggles…I really like both of you…and I > dont support ERIC against you,  squiggles!  I support Eric. from you…cause > you really do tease Eric a lot, which occasionally gets to him, and is bound > to what with Steve so contemptously harassing Eric…I just think sometime > if you get to Eric..with your teasing…you get some of what he feels about > Steves harassing him displaced..etc etc.. > If Steve would stop contemptously harassing Eric…your teasing Eric too > wouldnt end up so badly so often.. > sigh..  Iff only we were all perfect,  we wouldnt be here! > All Psychiatrists should first be trained as Neurologists. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

I’m  new here and don’t know if I will stay with this group. But I have received some good responses from folks. It would be helpful to know just what has ticked off people so  much to cause such rancor that lasts this long and continuously. I can’t under stand what incites people for so long. I know when I have felt particularly upset by a posting, usually the rest of my life is in disarray too, causing me to exert that much more concern regarding what other’s think on the darn net. Then I realize that I will never most likely never meet these people and while they may be irksome to me, I refuse to let their behaviour keep me irritable, anxious, and bitter and preventing me from perhaps learning some info that might get me off this dumb list in the first place. Thanks. You are so goodlooking !

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> Im going to report you Steve. I havent done it yet but Im going to complain

on the Sacred Constitution of the United States of America. It is alright for him to tell Squiggles to f*** off, but Steve has no right to free speech (neither do I, I suspect …). How interesting … is it a North Carolina thing, Eric? How does free speech die so easily in America, when you are bombing the piss out of a country to protect the freedom of the world? What hypocricy. Aren’t you the one who was totally outraged when the topic of reporting people to their isp’s came up before? You were totally freaked when Frenchie was kicked off of AT&T because of violations of the Canadian Criminal Code … but that wasn’t America … was it? Now, the tables are turned … and it is suddenly alright? Sure … it is only free speech. No big deal. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I told you to stop coming here for the specific purpose of harassing me, which > is exactly what you do. Im tired of it. There are many other individuals on > this and similar depression supports boards who have strong views about > psychiatry meds and you do not harass them. I do not care for your opinion > Steve and I do not enjoy getting constantly harassed by someone who is > obviously very brainwashed and has some rather unusual…and highly ineffective > ideas concerning severe mental illness. > I have repeatedly told you to leave me alone and that I have no interest in > talking to you about this, as you are a hardened individual and in my personal > opinion, brainwashed. I have ignored you overall for the past five to six weeks > and you continue harassing me in a very specific way. > I do not specifically seek out people on Usenet to harass as you do Steve. > Eric > All Psychiatrists should first be trained as Neurologists. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me into going into that fucking place. Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know what they are doing. I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to work or something, I dont know. But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. Goodbye, Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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I hope you feel better Eric, don’t give up the fight. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life >is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP >problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, >revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and >depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. >Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the >hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me >into going into that fucking place. >Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. >Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont >feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really >dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do >so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug >metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what >a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know >what they are doing. >I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to >work or something, I dont know. >But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. >Goodbye, >Eric >Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression >MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) >http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life > is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP > problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, > revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and > depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. > Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the > hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me > into going into that fucking place. > Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. > Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont > feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really > dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do > so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug > metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what > a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know > what they are doing. > I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to > work or something, I dont know. > But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. > Goodbye,

I see you decided to quit ASD-Med, now the NG been destroyed by those trolling here… if you quit,  email me if you want to talk about anything or just want to argue about SSRI’s for old times sake… I’ll email you with an alternative email account I use in conjunction with my other ISP’s, where you can also reach should  larryh’s non stop efforts to get my AOL account yanked ever succeed!    LOL.. Well and Warm Wishes always, linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eric > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life > is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP > problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, > revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and > depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. > Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the > hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me > into going into that fucking place. > Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. > Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont > feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really > dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do > so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug > metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what > a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know > what they are doing. > I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to > work or something, I dont know. > But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. > Goodbye,

Ok, Eric.  You went to the temple of psychiatry and you got worse, you got on one ssri and you felt worse, you started changing your meds and you feel worse, and now you are thinking of getting zapped?  You are not an idiot, please reconsider the ECT.  Try working a bit, waking up at 6 am getting showered and on the road, driving through rush hour (if you have one down there) to work , dealing with your boss and co workers and the clients for 9-10 hours, driving home and getting ready to do it again 5 days a week.  It’s not fun, but it sure beats wasting away! I truly wish you all the best of luck in your recovery.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life > is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP > problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, > revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and > depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it. > Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the > hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me > into going into that fucking place. > Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. > Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont > feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy. I may give ECT a shot, I really > dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do > so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug > metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what > a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know > what they are doing. > I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to > work or something, I dont know. > But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. > Goodbye, >Ok, Eric.  You went to the temple of psychiatry and you got worse, you got on one >ssri and you felt worse, you started changing your meds and you feel worse, and now >you are thinking of getting zapped?  You are not an idiot, please reconsider the >ECT.  Try working a bit, waking up at 6 am getting showered and on the road, >driving through rush hour (if you have one down there) to work , dealing with your >boss and co workers and the clients for 9-10 hours, driving home and getting ready >to do it again 5 days a week.  It’s not fun, but it sure beats wasting away! >I truly wish you all the best of luck in your recovery.

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> I hope you feel better Eric, don’t give up the fight. >Well group, I have decided to leave the NG. Im not feeling well lately…life >is a struggle for me as I now tolerate meds very differently with my BP >problem. I recently started low dose Seroquel and its making me feel worse, >revving me up more, numbing me  up and making me feel worse, more irritable and >depressed. I dontknowif I will continue it.

Sorry you feel so low Eric.. Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them feel worse because eventually they will feel better? >Ive been more and more disillusioned with this NG since I got out of the >hospital back in the winter. That was a big mistake letting my Pdoc talk me >into going into that fucking place.

Certainly seems like it.. >Ive had it. I will probably be back in the future if I ever feel better again. >Im really in a bad way…I really dont know what Im gonna do longterm. I dont >feel aggressive at all and feel like a pussy.

that doesnt have to be a bad thing,, I may give ECT a shot, Think hard and long about that one Eric… I really >dont know what Im gonna do. I dont think I can combine meds like others can do >so easily…dont know why but my last Pdoc  said I probably have some drug >metabolism probs in my liver. I dont know if he is right or not as I take what >a lotof psychiatrists say with a grain of salt. As many of them do not know >what they are doing.

When Squiggles suggested that you abused her and drove her out of the group.. >I will be around in case anyone wants to Email me. I might try to go back to >work or something, I dont know.

Sounds good if youre up to it.. not knowing isnt always a bad place to be.. Its exausting always trying to be right.. >But anyway, Im splitting cause I feel like shit. >Goodbye,

Take care Eric.. Ill miss sparring with you.. you are always frank and not afraid to tell youre truth Wouldnt Dr Bob let you back in if you promised not to talk about the things you believe in? Good luck in whatever you decide.. regards, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Eric >Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression >MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) >http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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<< I hope you feel better Eric, don’t give up the fight. >> Thanks Rob, I will probably be back when and if I ever feel decent again. The SSRIs give  me just barely enough antidepressant effect to kind of stay afloat, adding the Seroquel to it revs me up real bad. It is hard to explain. I just am not feeling too hot lately and just feel like I want to be alone. My normal personality is kind of on the aggressive side and lately Ive just been not feeling too aggressive. When I feel the antidepressant effect pretty good I feel good and strong and confident and focused and aggressive. Like I said I will probably be back…I dont know when though only when Im feeling decent. Fighting both blood pressure and adding psych meds to it has really complicated everything for me and Im having a bitch of a time. Until then…take care. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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>Sorry you feel so low Eric.. >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them >feel worse because eventually they will feel better?

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>linda

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>Sorry you feel so low Eric.. >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? > Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to > put that.

Nothing "sneaky" at all… Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go away when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that … maybe thats whats happening with Eric … that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so far.. …. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? regards, Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Sorry you feel so low Eric.. > >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them > >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? > Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to > put that. >Nothing "sneaky" at all… >Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go away >when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. >If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that >… maybe thats whats happening with Eric >… that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so far.. >…. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. >I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. >his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? >regards, >Bob

Bob that was a blanket statement on your part, meds keep me sane, blanket statement on my part. Like it or not meds are a fact of life for the mentally ill, look at Gem. Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >Sorry you feel so low Eric.. >> >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making them >> >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? >> Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to >> put that. >Nothing "sneaky" at all… >Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go away >when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. >If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that >… maybe thats whats happening with Eric >… that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so far.. >…. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. >I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. >his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? >regards, >Bob > Bob that was a blanket statement on your part, meds keep me sane, > blanket statement on my part. Like it or not meds are a fact of life > for the mentally ill, look at Gem.

It was *not* a blanket statement it was my adios and good wishes to Eric.. This is his thread.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Remove the **** from my address for email replies…. > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >Sorry you feel so low Eric.. > >> >Dont you always tell people that they should ignore the drugs making >them > >> >feel worse because eventually they will feel better? > >> Bob, I would be fucked without those drugs, that was a sneaky way to > >> put that. > >Nothing "sneaky" at all… > >Eric has said many times that the ill effects of starting a drug can go >away > >when the body adapts to it..with the end result of feeling better.. > >If you werent looking for things that arent there youd see that > >… maybe thats whats happening with Eric > >… that Im suggesting he could persevere with his drug as hes gone so >far.. > >…. that Im putting his welfare above my own beliefs.. > >I wasnt aware you were taking the same drugs as Eric .. > >his problem is depression ..I thought you started on drugs for Mania? > >regards, > >Bob > Bob that was a blanket statement on your part, meds keep me sane, > blanket statement on my part. Like it or not meds are a fact of life > for the mentally ill, look at Gem. >It was *not* a blanket statement it was my adios and good wishes to Eric.. >This is his thread..

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>linda > I fucking new it.

Yeah, like that was a tough one to figure out. Took a Ph.D … in Potty traing. A shame she won’t leave — like she said she would — over and over and over again — especially since she is so CURED. Just a dog to its vomit. Peter —

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Now that I am coming off effexor xr and it will take some time I think…..now its time to think of what med to change to….quickly my hang-ups…..worrier….anxiety….very high pressure job…..a mind that never stops thinking…..endless self analysis…always taken though responsibility for things that are out of my control….these are just to start with.. once I was on top of the world……now I look up…..

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> Now that I am coming off effexor xr and it will take some time I > think…..now its time to think of what med to change to….quickly my > hang-ups…..worrier….anxiety….very high pressure job…..a mind that > never stops thinking…..endless self analysis…always taken though > responsibility for things that are out of my control….these are just to > start with.. > once I was on top of the world……now I look up…..

And a bird craps on your head, right?  LOL  Couldn’t resist.  Is it just human nature to experience what you’ve described above?  Or, is it all part of depression?  I’m kicking Wellbutrin.  I have nowhere to go now.  I’m so tired of the side effects, I’m just like an old, wet, rung out, worn out dish rag.  I’ve used Effexor XR 2 years ago and a number of others.  Have you tried Wellbutrin, Paxil or any others? Cheers, Carrie

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I’m curious as to why we go off meds…..do they cease to stop the depression?    I just stopped effexor and went straight to Remeron…..I’ve never been advised of weaning off one to begin another, although my research into these things would suggest that I do wean off. The Remeron made me totally undepressed for two days, but the past two days I’m on edge…..much the same way I felt with Effexor and Celexa. I am going to post a new thread re xanax. Jeanne

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now that I am coming off effexor xr and it will take some time I > think…..now its time to think of what med to change to….quickly my > hang-ups…..worrier….anxiety….very high pressure job…..a mind that > never stops thinking…..endless self analysis…always taken though > responsibility for things that are out of my control….these are just to > start with.. > once I was on top of the world……now I look up….. > And a bird craps on your head, right?  LOL  Couldn’t resist.  Is it just > human nature to experience what you’ve described above?  Or, is it all part > of depression?  I’m kicking Wellbutrin.  I have nowhere to go now.  I’m so > tired of the side effects, I’m just like an old, wet, rung out, worn out > dish rag.  I’ve used Effexor XR 2 years ago and a number of others.  Have > you tried Wellbutrin, Paxil or any others? > Cheers, Carrie

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i have just gone back on meds, and started with the ZOLOFT sample pack of i am also VERY TIRED of this "on again, off again" — read and post daily! rosie http://www.geocities.com/barrettetc/rosie.html

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I came over to this group today (have been at alt.support. depression.recovery for awhile) because I’m facing the possibility of accepting some anti-depressant prescription later this week.  I’ve been in something I’ve called an "anxiety crisis" since last Sept., more recently getting some of the anxiety under control, and being told, by therapist, that I’m now experiencing depression.  I keep telling myself that I "should" be able to overcome this problem… through therapy, altered self-talk, disphragmatic breathing, and other techniques. Strong resistance to going on medication (though I did accept and try some Xanax during part of this time period, but didn’t notice any success with it).  I think my docotor is ready to prescribe Paxil or something like that. I resist partly due to concerns about money (which helped trigger this "anxiety crisis"), and partly because I don’t want to have to rely on chemistry to affect my moods.  One option might be to accept prescription for some milder (?)[and cheaper?] medications.  Someone suggested Elavil?, and one of the drugs you’ve been discussing here.  Effexor, I think? I’m interested in some informed opinions.  My own depression doesn’t seem so severe as some of the people I encounter here. My mornings are usually "bad", waking up at five a.m., and not being able to get back to sleep.  But many days I manage to make myself DO things, and sometimes wind up later in the day with feeling O.K. (mostly, when I’m NOT "O.K.", I think I’m in "fight or flight" response.  Then.. due to some new thought, or a different activity?, etc.?, I can suddenly find myself feeling "relief".  It’s like the tension which has been strangling me is suddenly gone… and I can be relaxed for awhile.  I’m trying to learn some techniques… so that I can create that relaxation to some extent on demand.  Currently I feel like a victim of my moods.  I’d like to have some power over them. Do some of the drugs have this effect?  Could medication give me some control?  If so… what might you recommend? thanks for any suggestions… dennis

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Actually it was very funny cuz my bird actually did do that! lol Yes all things I listed below could be just describing life but its life that has put the screws to me….see when you usually sit across the table(I am a social worker) and work out other people’s troubles you don’t always see it that way….every day I wake I never know what emotion or person I will be today. Since I have to where the painted face all day at work it makes it hard to do it at home. After my time as a work aholic for many years I now know that my time is deserved to my family. I just wish I could give then stability in my personality. Admitting that I needed help was the hardest thing I have ever done. See I know I have not been "right" ever since childhood. No blame to anyone Unfortunately there are no family dr’s around my area so I am stuck with the walk in clinic. The last dr recommended that I drop effexor xr and try Paxil. I am not sure what to think?????

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Now that I am coming off effexor xr and it will take some time I > think…..now its time to think of what med to change to….quickly my > hang-ups…..worrier….anxiety….very high pressure job…..a mind that > never stops thinking…..endless self analysis…always taken though > responsibility for things that are out of my control….these are just to > start with.. > once I was on top of the world……now I look up….. > And a bird craps on your head, right?  LOL  Couldn’t resist.  Is it just > human nature to experience what you’ve described above?  Or, is it all part > of depression?  I’m kicking Wellbutrin.  I have nowhere to go now.  I’m so > tired of the side effects, I’m just like an old, wet, rung out, worn out > dish rag.  I’ve used Effexor XR 2 years ago and a number of others.  Have > you tried Wellbutrin, Paxil or any others? > Cheers, Carrie

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(snip). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yes you dont sound that bad…this NG tends to attract people with more severe > mental illness problems, including a lot with whats known as "treatment > resistant" depression. >My mornings are usually "bad", waking up at five a.m., >and not > being able to get back to sleep.  But many days I manage to > make myself DO things, and sometimes wind up later in the day > with feeling O.K. (mostly, when I’m NOT "O.K.", I think I’m > in "fight or flight" response.  Then.. due to some new thought, > or a different activity?, etc.?, I can suddenly find myself > feeling "relief".  It’s like the tension which has been strangling > me is suddenly gone… and I can be relaxed for awhile.  I’m > trying to learn some techniques… so that I can create that > relaxation to some extent on demand.  Currently I feel like a > victim of my moods.  I’d like to have some power over them. > Do some of the drugs have this effect?  Could medication give me > some control?  If so… what might you recommend? > thanks for any suggestions… dennis > You sound like youd be a perfect candidate for drugs Dennis. Your attitudes > against meds are silly. The meds can help you. The modern class meds in > particular are very safe to take, they really are very safe. The older psych > meds tended to have a lot more side effects and people many times didnt like > taking them. But the modern ones like SSRIs,  Effexor, Buspar, etc. are > actually quite effective and very safe in most cases. > Eric > Eric – THANKS for your thoughts on this.  I’m seeing a doctor

tomorrow.. and will probably go on meds (much better informed than last time I checked on it). Dennis  (tried to email you directly… no luck) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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Does anyone know of / have any experience with drugs that suppress REM sleep? I know I fall into the category of those depressed who benefit from sleep deprivation. Sleeping less usually guarantees a happier, more centered and energetic mood the next day for me. I understand from the last time I poked around in medline that it’s the reduction in REM sleep that is thought to be therapeutic, and not necessarily sleep as a whole. I’ve gone through various SSRI’s (now on sertraline) and they didn’t have a noticeable difference on my mood. If anything they made me more lethargic. I’ve tried changing my sleeping patterns but the problem is that when waking up at the hour I want to it just seems insurmountable to get out of bed. I end up laying there and then waking up 4 hours later, feeling drained. Things that screw with sleeping patterns (i.e. alcohol) typically have a positive benefit on my mood the day after. Sleeping more usually leaves me feeling worse. If anyone can offer any help, insight or experience, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

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I’m taking 40mgs daily of Paxil, which made me very sleepy, so I started to take Mirapex, a Parkinson’s drug that is only being used recently to treat depression. I started on .25 mgs daily, went up to .5, then .75, then 1. The more I took, the more it lessened the effect of Paxil, but the more energy I had. When I hit .75 and 1 mgs a day, I was sleeping about 4 hours a night and was less tired, but my anxiety came back. I also had nightmares. I took Wellbutrin SR for a week, and I was sleeping 6 hours a night and had more energy. KC

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