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i was only taking an antidepressent it was cipramil. i cant get a mood stablizer untill april./may. and i hope tommrow goes well…. in the ER… *hug hopefully they’ll fix you up good and proper or at least give you some real strong antibiotics. and thats cool you know neighbours now ) How long have you been living where you are? — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks for asking angel.  Actually, about the same or worse. > Guess tommorow I hit the emergency walk in. > Now you take care of yourself. Am I right, that you are only > taking an antidepressant? Was it celexa? Did this make you > manic? (my memory is off right now, past bed time) Make > sure you get a mood stabilizer if you can. > Huggs, > Mark > how are you feeling now mark? > any better > i havent seen you around > so i hope everythings mokay and your getting rest and stuff > And anna… .i hope your doing okay to you seam nice. although i dont > think we’ve spoken yet? *hughughughgughug for you to!!! > ~memememe > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > > > > if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > > > > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious > danger > to > > > > some people……. > > > > c ya > > > > anna > > > Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to > > > the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal > > > out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would > > > cook a much better meal at home. > > i know its incredible… my house is full of flour, yeast, all different > > grains, masa, dry beans, the whole schmiel i mean i can make a pizza, i > > can make mexican food, i have my house stocked with  emergency food > > supplies….. but i can never keep enough crackers around, that is all i > > get keep down during the daytime, crackers and maybe cheeses or > something.. > > and yet if i get sick enough……. i still must order out and get a > > pizza, and the two free sodas that come with it. that also helps the > > nausea. i get an anchovy pizza with two rootbeers. that brings me back > > to reality — by the time ive finished it all im fairly coherent again, > > enough to get some meds into me. > > i really just dont think people realize the extreme danger that their > > <<<shivver>>> > > >     m.  o.  t.   f. > > — > > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> x-no-archive: yes > I swear by chile peppers for upper- and lower-resperatory infections.

im glad you got them to go away. sinus infections suck. !! when my little girl was around 3-4 she used to get them and they would last all winter…. she couldnt hardly think cause her head was so stuffed up…… eventually i came on something called a neti-pot… (sp?) im pretty sure thats what its called. anyway its a yogic practice where you take a tiny little pot of dilute saline solution (salt and water) and squeeze it up through your sinuses rinsing them out. well i couldnt give my little girl chile peppers and i hated having her on antibiotics constantly so i did get one of those little bulb-syrringes from the drugstore, and filled it with warm saline solution, and told her to blow out while i squeezed it lightly up into her nostrils. she was ‘blowing out’ so it didnt really cause her discomfort. she was very good about letting me do it. when you are good at it your not supposed to ‘blow out’ anymore. anyway, that light saline rinsing was what finally capped her sinus infections. did a world of good…… she has not had one since. the imperative thing is encouraging drainage and clearing of the infection. its so easy for it to become stuck in those tiny passageways. anything that will love you ixt, long time no see just wanted to throw that out…… — "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> it was my plesure anna > im here to help, and be helped… not to make people feel uncomftable…. so > if i say any more ‘triggery’ words let me know okay and ill drop them from > my vocab ) > take care huh > *hugz

thanks angel. triggers are a b-tch }} you too ok???? > let us know….. anna – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ~me > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > it looks much ‘prettier’ graphically…  but that certainly isnt always > what ya want…..>> > anyway im sure you are much more a beautiful angel than psychotic these > days! i bet its usually others telling you are psychotic, thats the way > it was with me ) > i like you sig still……. > anna > > — > > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > > not" > > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > — > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

– "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> i was only taking an antidepressent > it was cipramil. > i cant get a mood stablizer untill april./may.

What has been your experience with citalopram (Cipramil/Celexa)? I have been taking it 20mg bid, along with a bunch of other stuff, including 2 mood stabilisers, with moderate success. Darren. BPAD II, ultradian; ADHD-primarily inattentive

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i only took the cipramil twice. im waiting to see a pdoc to get proper medication i dont know if it was the cipramil that sent me manic, or if it was comming by itself. my mood changes so quickly…. how long have you been taking that mix? — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> i was only taking an antidepressent > it was cipramil. > i cant get a mood stablizer untill april./may. > What has been your experience with citalopram (Cipramil/Celexa)? > I have been taking it 20mg bid, along with a bunch of other stuff, including > 2 mood stabilisers, with moderate success. > Darren. > BPAD II, ultradian; ADHD-primarily inattentive

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> i was kinda thinking even though i like the name, i should drop the p bit… > considering where i am and all…

it looks much ‘prettier’ graphically…  but that certainly isnt always what ya want…..>> anyway im sure you are much more a beautiful angel than psychotic these days! i bet its usually others telling you are psychotic, thats the way it was with me ) i like you sig still……. anna > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

– "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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Thanks for asking angel.  Actually, about the same or worse. Guess tommorow I hit the emergency walk in. Now you take care of yourself. Am I right, that you are only taking an antidepressant? Was it celexa? Did this make you manic? (my memory is off right now, past bed time) Make sure you get a mood stabilizer if you can. Huggs, Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> how are you feeling now mark? > any better > i havent seen you around > so i hope everythings mokay and your getting rest and stuff > And anna… .i hope your doing okay to you seam nice. although i dont > think we’ve spoken yet? *hughughughgughug for you to!!! > ~memememe > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > > > if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > > > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger > to > > > some people……. > > > c ya > > > anna > > Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to > > the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal > > out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would > > cook a much better meal at home. > i know its incredible… my house is full of flour, yeast, all different > grains, masa, dry beans, the whole schmiel i mean i can make a pizza, i > can make mexican food, i have my house stocked with  emergency food > supplies….. but i can never keep enough crackers around, that is all i > get keep down during the daytime, crackers and maybe cheeses or > something.. > and yet if i get sick enough……. i still must order out and get a > pizza, and the two free sodas that come with it. that also helps the > nausea. i get an anchovy pizza with two rootbeers. that brings me back > to reality — by the time ive finished it all im fairly coherent again, > enough to get some meds into me. > i really just dont think people realize the extreme danger that > <<<shivver>>> > >     m.  o.  t.   f. > — > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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it was my plesure anna im here to help, and be helped… not to make people feel uncomftable…. so if i say any more ‘triggery’ words let me know okay and ill drop them from my vocab ) take care huh *hugz ~me — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > it looks much ‘prettier’ graphically…  but that certainly isnt always > what ya want…..>> > anyway im sure you are much more a beautiful angel than psychotic these > days! i bet its usually others telling you are psychotic, thats the way > it was with me ) > i like you sig still……. > anna > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > — > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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i was kinda thinking even though i like the name, i should drop the p bit… considering where i am and all… — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And anna… .i hope your doing okay to you seam nice. although i dont > think we’ve spoken yet? *hughughughgughug for you to!!! > hihihih.. )))  ive read your stuff.. you seem nice too ))} > actually, like i said i do graphic design! >>  or thats what im trained > in…..  and your ‘*’s in your header sparkle my eyes.. so sometimes i > couldnt read your messages cause of the ‘*’s… > thats kinda silly reason not to read something )  also you see ive > been psychotic so long myself, and the word psychotic angel beautiful as > it is kind of hurts my mind a little…..so i rather not read it.. but i > can get past that easy ) > hope to get to know you much better! > > peace > annan > ~memememe > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > > > > if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > > > > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger > to > > > > some people……. > > > > c ya > > > > anna > > > Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to > > > the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal > > > out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would > > > cook a much better meal at home. > > i know its incredible… my house is full of flour, yeast, all different > > grains, masa, dry beans, the whole schmiel i mean i can make a pizza, i > > can make mexican food, i have my house stocked with  emergency food > > supplies….. but i can never keep enough crackers around, that is all i > > get keep down during the daytime, crackers and maybe cheeses or > something.. > > and yet if i get sick enough……. i still must order out and get a > > pizza, and the two free sodas that come with it. that also helps the > > nausea. i get an anchovy pizza with two rootbeers. that brings me back > > to reality — by the time ive finished it all im fairly coherent again, > > enough to get some meds into me. > > i really just dont think people realize the extreme danger that their > > <<<shivver>>> > > >     m.  o.  t.   f. > > — > > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace" > — > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> hey, > is there anyway you can get to a dr or something? Or dont you want to go?

Yeah,  really didn’t want to go if i can help it. I have a strong immune system which usually kicks in to cure me. > hrm…. oh yeah, thats what i forgot to say. You know how someone sugested > the steam thing? Or like steam up the bathroom and just sit there? If you do > that, becarefull you dont pass out. I used to love steeming up the bathroom > before i had a shower, (i have no clue why..) and i almost passed out on a > fair few occasions. > but the head over a bowl with a towel as seen on tv seams to do some good in > clearing airways and stuff. *i think*

Yes, Jim suggested that, and actually i have done it a little. > anyway you can get some food deliverd? Or got anyone that can bring you > stuff?

No and no. :^(    I’m 20 miles from the closest hick town, and I  never ask anyone for a favor. I don’t do "people".(in rl anyways) Thank you for your concern. It probably is making me get well faster. hugs, Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> -me > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > Hi sweetie, >   I just woke up from a long midday sleep. No change yet. > Hadn’t had any chicken soup. Remember, I’m alone in the forest, > and really too sick to cook much. But I’ve just started a hearty > dinner, and, its time to feed tigerboy. I swear, in a few minutes > i’m going to make a honey/lemonjuice tea, and keep drinking > the same for the next few days. > Thanks for asking. I hope you mouth is feeling better. > huggs, > Mark

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> if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger to > some people……. > c ya > anna

Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would cook a much better meal at home.     m.  o.  t.   f.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Shoot Mark, some good ole fashioned Campbells chicken noodle is better > than nothing, I prefer some Lipton noodle (not that insta-stuff, get the > stuff with two packets in the box, don’t get the chicken-noodle, it has > nasty dehydrated pieces of chicken in it, just the noodle in chicken > broth), myself, I don’t think it has as much sodium. > Peace, > Gina > "Feats don’t fail me now" > -Barrere, George, Martin > Thanks Gina. I finally had a couple of pieces of cube steak and some > mashed potatoes with gravy. Stick to ya ribs stuff. > I was just thinking, my steak was flat and oval. Why do they call it > cube steak? It wasn’t shaped in square blocks. ;^o

Thanks for the chuckle Mark.  Wish I could get the cube steak you probably had up here.  These people wouldn’t know a piece of chicken fried steak if it bit them in the arse.  I’m sad to say that the best I get is at Denny’s.  And that’s really sad. > Mark

– Peace, Gina "Feats don’t fail me now"                 -Barrere, George, Martin

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informed me of this: <Thanks for the chuckle Mark.  Wish I could get the cube steak you <probably had up here.  These people wouldn’t know a piece of chicken <fried steak if it bit them in the arse.  I’m sad to say that the best I <get is at Denny’s.  And that’s really sad. Irony speaking here. The best chicken fried steak that you can find around here is at "Bob’s County Kitchen". Hopper

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> > if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger to > some people……. > c ya > anna > Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to > the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal > out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would > cook a much better meal at home.

i know its incredible… my house is full of flour, yeast, all different grains, masa, dry beans, the whole schmiel i mean i can make a pizza, i can make mexican food, i have my house stocked with  emergency food supplies….. but i can never keep enough crackers around, that is all i get keep down during the daytime, crackers and maybe cheeses or something.. and yet if i get sick enough……. i still must order out and get a pizza, and the two free sodas that come with it. that also helps the nausea. i get an anchovy pizza with two rootbeers. that brings me back to reality — by the time ive finished it all im fairly coherent again, enough to get some meds into me. i really just dont think people realize the extreme danger that <<<shivver>>> >     m.  o.  t.   f.

– "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> And anna… .i hope your doing okay to you seam nice. although i dont > think we’ve spoken yet? *hughughughgughug for you to!!!

hihihih.. )))  ive read your stuff.. you seem nice too ))} actually, like i said i do graphic design! >>  or thats what im trained in…..  and your ‘*’s in your header sparkle my eyes.. so sometimes i couldnt read your messages cause of the ‘*’s…   thats kinda silly reason not to read something )  also you see ive been psychotic so long myself, and the word psychotic angel beautiful as it is kind of hurts my mind a little…..so i rather not read it.. but i can get past that easy ) hope to get to know you much better! > peace annan – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ~memememe > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > > > if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > > > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger > to > > > some people……. > > > c ya > > > anna > > Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to > > the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal > > out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would > > cook a much better meal at home. > i know its incredible… my house is full of flour, yeast, all different > grains, masa, dry beans, the whole schmiel i mean i can make a pizza, i > can make mexican food, i have my house stocked with  emergency food > supplies….. but i can never keep enough crackers around, that is all i > get keep down during the daytime, crackers and maybe cheeses or > something.. > and yet if i get sick enough……. i still must order out and get a > pizza, and the two free sodas that come with it. that also helps the > nausea. i get an anchovy pizza with two rootbeers. that brings me back > to reality — by the time ive finished it all im fairly coherent again, > enough to get some meds into me. > i really just dont think people realize the extreme danger that > <<<shivver>>> > >     m.  o.  t.   f. > — > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

– "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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how are you feeling now mark? any better i havent seen you around so i hope everythings mokay and your getting rest and stuff And anna… .i hope your doing okay to you seam nice. although i dont think we’ve spoken yet? *hughughughgughug for you to!!! ~memememe — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that > > revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger to > > some people……. > > c ya > > anna > Yeah, that’s what I was doing yesterday when i drove myself to > the nearest diner/greasy spoon.  I went ahead and paid for a meal > out, just to get the strength to get thru the day. Normally i would > cook a much better meal at home. > i know its incredible… my house is full of flour, yeast, all different > grains, masa, dry beans, the whole schmiel i mean i can make a pizza, i > can make mexican food, i have my house stocked with  emergency food > supplies….. but i can never keep enough crackers around, that is all i > get keep down during the daytime, crackers and maybe cheeses or something.. > and yet if i get sick enough……. i still must order out and get a > pizza, and the two free sodas that come with it. that also helps the > nausea. i get an anchovy pizza with two rootbeers. that brings me back > to reality — by the time ive finished it all im fairly coherent again, > enough to get some meds into me. > i really just dont think people realize the extreme danger that > <<<shivver>>> >     m.  o.  t.   f. > — > "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" > "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> Shoot Mark, some good ole fashioned Campbells chicken noodle is better > than nothing, I prefer some Lipton noodle (not that insta-stuff, get the > stuff with two packets in the box, don’t get the chicken-noodle, it has > nasty dehydrated pieces of chicken in it, just the noodle in chicken > broth), myself, I don’t think it has as much sodium. > Peace, > Gina > "Feats don’t fail me now" > -Barrere, George, Martin

Thanks Gina. I finally had a couple of pieces of cube steak and some mashed potatoes with gravy. Stick to ya ribs stuff. I was just thinking, my steak was flat and oval. Why do they call it cube steak? It wasn’t shaped in square blocks. ;^o Mark

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> hey, > is there anyway you can get to a dr or something? Or dont you want to go? > hrm…. oh yeah, thats what i forgot to say. You know how someone sugested > the steam thing? Or like steam up the bathroom and just sit there? If you do > that, becarefull you dont pass out. I used to love steeming up the bathroom > before i had a shower, (i have no clue why..) and i almost passed out on a > fair few occasions.

this is so funny. when i do stuff like that i do have to sit on the ground or something.. prop myself somewhere to make sure if i lose it somehow i wont hurt anything……. sometimes im trapped in my apt and i live in the middle of town. some days im too sick to eat; then im too sick to take my pills…… then im off my meds and get afraid to leave the house…… and im literally stuck there off my meds with nothing to eat and no way really to get anything….! if i have the money i have to order a pizza. its the only thing that revives me enough to get back on track.. i think its a serious danger to some people……. > but the head over a bowl with a towel as seen on tv seams to do some good in > clearing airways and stuff. *i think*

your bodys trying to expel mucus which is very thick if you are dehydrated.. adding more liquid to your body either by drinking or steam thins it and makes it easier to expel when ya cough…… c ya anna "blessed am i to dwell in this beautiful temple" "allow me to accept these gifts with grace"

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> hey, > is there anyway you can get to a dr or something? Or dont you want to go? > hrm…. oh yeah, thats what i forgot to say. You know how someone sugested > the steam thing? Or like steam up the bathroom and just sit there? If you do > that, becarefull you dont pass out. I used to love steeming up the bathroom > before i had a shower, (i have no clue why..) and i almost passed out on a > fair few occasions. > but the head over a bowl with a towel as seen on tv seams to do some good in > clearing airways and stuff. *i think*

This helped me immensely when I was about 11.  I woke up literally unable to breathe, I was so clogged up.  (Turns out I had mono)  I woke up my parents and the first thing they did was run very hot water into the bathroom sink, and put me over it with a towel over my head.  I was able to breathe in very short time. > anyway you can get some food deliverd? Or got anyone that can bring you > stuff?

Shoot Mark, some good ole fashioned Campbells chicken noodle is better than nothing, I prefer some Lipton noodle (not that insta-stuff, get the stuff with two packets in the box, don’t get the chicken-noodle, it has nasty dehydrated pieces of chicken in it, just the noodle in chicken broth), myself, I don’t think it has as much sodium. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> -me > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess > Hi sweetie, >   I just woke up from a long midday sleep. No change yet. > Hadn’t had any chicken soup. Remember, I’m alone in the forest, > and really too sick to cook much. But I’ve just started a hearty > dinner, and, its time to feed tigerboy. I swear, in a few minutes > i’m going to make a honey/lemonjuice tea, and keep drinking > the same for the next few days. > Thanks for asking. I hope you mouth is feeling better. > huggs, > Mark

– Peace, Gina "Feats don’t fail me now"                 -Barrere, George, Martin

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how are you feeling today? hope your feeling a bit better how’s all the shicken soup going? *hug -me — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

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Hi sweetie,   I just woke up from a long midday sleep. No change yet. Hadn’t had any chicken soup. Remember, I’m alone in the forest, and really too sick to cook much. But I’ve just started a hearty dinner, and, its time to feed tigerboy. I swear, in a few minutes i’m going to make a honey/lemonjuice tea, and keep drinking the same for the next few days. Thanks for asking. I hope you mouth is feeling better. huggs, Mark – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> how are you feeling today? > hope your feeling a bit better > how’s all the shicken soup going? > *hug > -me > — > "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im > not" > http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess

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hey, is there anyway you can get to a dr or something? Or dont you want to go? hrm…. oh yeah, thats what i forgot to say. You know how someone sugested the steam thing? Or like steam up the bathroom and just sit there? If you do that, becarefull you dont pass out. I used to love steeming up the bathroom before i had a shower, (i have no clue why..) and i almost passed out on a fair few occasions. but the head over a bowl with a towel as seen on tv seams to do some good in clearing airways and stuff. *i think* anyway you can get some food deliverd? Or got anyone that can bring you stuff? -me — "I would rather be hated for something I am, Then loved for something im not" http://iam.bmezine.com/?countess – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi sweetie, >   I just woke up from a long midday sleep. No change yet. > Hadn’t had any chicken soup. Remember, I’m alone in the forest, > and really too sick to cook much. But I’ve just started a hearty > dinner, and, its time to feed tigerboy. I swear, in a few minutes > i’m going to make a honey/lemonjuice tea, and keep drinking > the same for the next few days. > Thanks for asking. I hope you mouth is feeling better. > huggs, > Mark

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I was recently put of Risperdal along with Celexa.  No problem, except that I wake up very tired.  I’m going to ask to be taken off of Risperdal, however,  It’s relaxing, but doesn’t help get me to sleep and I’ve been losing alot of that.

OK..I ask again…is/can anybody tell me about a *good* a.d. to take with Risperdal. I am very, very much on the fine edge in cycling, and without an a.d. or stabalizer like Risperdal, will go either way. Risperdal alone = depression. Effexor or most other SSRI/TCA’s = Aggitated depression. Need SOMETHING better then benzos..as the dose I require, the docs won’t prescribe. (Benzophobics.) I am looking for first hand experiences..please!!!!!! Thank you, James — The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office. Robert Frost (1874-1963) One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one’s work is terribly important. Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

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Hmm…. I was put on Risperdal (anti-psychotic) with Celexa (SSRI – antidepressant)  I found that the Celexa made me manic and the risperdal made me relax – but I still found I was manic….  I got off the risperdal and am not taking lithium as my mood stabilizer – and so far am pretty satistfied. Take it easy! BJ

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I was recently put of Risperdal along with Celexa.  No problem, except that > I wake up very tired.  I’m going to ask to be taken off of Risperdal, > however,  It’s relaxing, but doesn’t help get me to sleep and I’ve been > losing alot of that. > OK..I ask again…is/can anybody tell me about a *good* a.d. to take with > Risperdal. I am very, very much on the fine edge in cycling, and without an > a.d. or stabalizer like Risperdal, will go either way. Risperdal alone = > depression. Effexor or most other SSRI/TCA’s = Aggitated depression. Need > SOMETHING better then benzos..as the dose I require, the docs won’t > prescribe. (Benzophobics.) > I am looking for first hand experiences..please!!!!!! > Thank you, > James > — > The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts > working the moment you get up in the > morning, and does not stop until you get > into the office. > Robert Frost (1874-1963) > One of the symptoms of an approaching > nervous breakdown is the belief that > one’s work is terribly important. > Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)

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OK..I ask again…is/can anybody tell me about a *good* a.d. to take with Risperdal. I am very, very much on the fine edge in cycling, and without an a.d. or stabalizer like Risperdal, will go either way. Risperdal alone = depression. Effexor or most other SSRI/TCA’s = Aggitated depression. Need SOMETHING better then benzos..as the dose I require, the docs won’t prescribe. (Benzophobics.) I am looking for first hand experiences..please!!!!!! Thank you, James — The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office. Robert Frost (1874-1963)   One of the symptoms of an approaching nervous breakdown is the belief that one’s work is terribly important. Bertrand Russell (1872-1970)  

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Take Remeron (mirtazapine).  It will calm you down like any benzo. I started Remeron at 60 mg right away and had no side-effects. Here are the benefits of Remeron:

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I have had RSD 11 yrs.  For those of you looking for treatment options or drs  or for that matter to find an RSD support group, try www.rsdhope.org www.rsd.org www.rsdhelp.com  (if I’m wrong, its  org ) www.rsdcoalition.org Surgery or sympathectomy tend to excerbate RSD and cause it to spread (I’m a good example  I now have it full body) Sympathectormy may sometimes alleviate the pain for a few months, but the burning tends to comeback and spread. The only way I was able to gain any control of the relentless burning was thru clonidine, SSRIs, and an intrathecal pump.  Life is not good, but it is better. Feel free to email me if I can be of help.

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I apologize for not knowing how to respond to an individual.  Am a newbie so please bear with me. It appears that no one wants to say those words.  You know, uh-oh, shouldn’t have cut this nerve or we messed up. Lots of suppressed anger.  Gosh, 11 years?  I don’t know if I can stand it.  Would you kindly spell out your abbreviations for me?  My brain just does  not work as good as it used to. Thanks so much and I will certainly look at the sites you forwarded to me.  

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SSRIs are selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors  a  type of antidepressant which has been shown to help with chronic neuropathic paini   such as effexor, luvox,paxil

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Hi…. I posted these sites too…from what I remember, they are really the best on the internet. >www.rsd.org

This should read: http://www.rsdsa.org.  Without the "sa" in rsdsa, you won’t get to the correct site.  www.rsd.org is for a french renovation type site. Hope this helps…. Robin – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I have had RSD 11 yrs.  For those of you looking for treatment options >or drs  or for that matter to find an RSD support group, try >www.rsdhope.org >www.rsd.org >www.rsdhelp.com  (if I’m wrong, its  org ) >www.rsdcoalition.org >Surgery or sympathectomy tend to excerbate RSD and cause it to spread >(I’m a good example  I now have it full body) >Sympathectormy may sometimes alleviate the pain for a few months, but >the burning tends to comeback and spread. >The only way I was able to gain any control of the relentless burning >was thru clonidine, SSRIs, and an intrathecal pump.  Life is not good, >but it is better. >Feel free to email me if I can be of help.

I am in no way a physician or any other type of medical professional.  I am just speaking from personal experience or information gained during my treatment or research ;o). Remove NOSPAM from the above email address to contact me.

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Gottcha.  On those too.  I know that the benzodiazapines make me behave down right mental.  Even my mother was crying when I would talk to her on the phone because she said I sounded like I was drunk or on something all the time.  Ah, 26 pills a day.  Get a clue docs. I also wanted to thank you for turning me onto Angel.  I feel like I am truly not unique!  I really appreciate everything. Red

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listings of support groups for rsd may be found at www.rsdcoalition.com www.rsdhope.org www.rsdsa.org for those of you looking for a dr. who specializes in treating rsd , try contacting the support groups nearest you for suggestions

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I was diagnosed 3 yrs ago with RSD (SMP/SIP).  I have been homebound for 2-1/2 years.  I am trying to find support groups to attend and most importantly — alternative pain control.  I currently take medications such as methadone (just started as a replacement for oxycotin), neurontin, soma, flexeril, desipramine, ambien, depakote, and a couple more I can’t think of right now.  I feel like a guinea pig.  I have also had a thoracic sympathectomy.  I would most certainly have to die to feel better.  I also have myofacial pain syndrome secondary to 6 surgeries.  As of 4 days ago, I lost the use of 3 more fingers. I need to know if there is anything else left to try or doI decide to accept this horrible disability and just try to get through each day. Will try anything; afterall, what have I to lose?

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Jana,      I have severe rsd all over , but am only 18 months in. Every where on my body is affected. After 17 months of steady increases in narcotic meds, we have found that 48mg of dialaudid, 480 mg oxycontin and 6 squirts of oxy-fast finally has produced a good enough remission to allow me to sit with no pain. Because it works so well, my doc is putting in a med- pump to supply the dilaudid continuously. I also have both kneecaps rubbing on my femurs which is what triggered the rsd. After all the reading and asking I have done, it is obvious that the pain has to be stopped, even at the risk of all those meds. The addition of the dilaudid was what finally tipped the scales. For comparison I weigh 200 lbs. Peace,    Richard Sullivan              I am not a doctor nor have I ever read a magazine in their office. I speak only from my personal experience with RSD

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James, I would hope everyone here saw the value of talk and drug therapy!  I still think Noah is a poor misguided soul who has to stick his/her nose in everyone elses biz…Of course Scientologists "hate" Frued. They dislike everything that isn’t L Ronian and they’re happy to let you know your own coyly pretending to have found inner peace (just to piss off everyone else). Unlike Q. Evilbastard I’m all for religious intolerence.  I just wish I could be there for their final realization that there is no heaven nor hell as they check out.  I’m in a MEAN mood tonight!!!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I think there might be a fairly simple reasoning behind the Noah’s Dove > post.  I suspect these people to be Freudian analysts, or some other such > branch of psychology/psychiatry.  They most likely see (whether they are > conscious of it or not) psychopharmacology to mean the imminent death > of their branch of the field, and thus the end of their careers. > – Neil – > Umm…I JUST wanted to clear something up..because I think that people > think that there is this war between talk therapy and drug therapy. In > fact…quite the opposite. Most scientologists HATE Freud…and ANY type > of accomplished, social scientific therapy. Don’t forget..Freud was > quite the psychopharmacologist himself..dishing out "cocaine" as an > antidepressant. In fact, the APA advocates BOTH medication AND talk > therapy..both have shown to have positive value. What we DON’T need is > the "cult of scientologists" who offer nothing but criticism, "pull > yourself up by the bootstraps"…and a bunch of hot air. I hope we can > please keep this in mind:-) > James MacLachlan > — > "These signs, this space > Takes a path you didn’t choose > Stay strong, keep faith > There’s a change that’s coming through > Hold on, my love > It feels like Heaven’s coming down…" > The Tea Party, > "Heaven Coming Down"

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>      My sentiments exactly.  The IRS was on the Church of Scientology’s > case, but money changed hands under the table with politicians and

Sounds like another case of one religion telling another how they’re allowed to function if you ask me. Were it up to me, all religions would be made illegal since they do nothing but suck the public purse dry for no apparent gain anyway. — –Qliphoth Evilbastard * Listowner, Esoteric-Emotions (http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/esoteric-emotions) "It is clear to me now that the Republic no longer functions." (Queen Amidala)

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I will dismiss the LDS part with no farther argument. <grin> If you know where that comes from, you will see my little joke. Ralph

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hate to point out the obvious, guys…Noahs Dove…you know, like Noahs > dove.  Probably not Scientologist, unless the Noah part is a ruse.  I think > he/she may have alot of the sentiments of the COS but my guess is Latter Day > Saints…well, perhaps an offshoot of. >     I have no love for the  Church of Scientology  but I have to say the > fervor of the Germans distaste and the depth of their resolve to put COS out > of business there is frightening.  I think Germans in general should stay > out of the business of persecuting minority religions, don’t you?(!) >      My sentiments exactly.  The IRS was on the Church of Scientology’s > case, but money changed hands under the table with politicians and > the IRS got pulled off.  There also were several national security > agencies > checking them out; there being the potential for the Church to develop > information usable to blackmail DOD employees with access to > classified information. >     Last I heard, the chief prosecutor of the German state of Bavaria was > working on proving Scientology to be a cult and a fraud and then ride them > out of town on a rail.  The most telling thing is that in an interview > back > in > the ’30s, Lron said that It would be marvelous to invent a religion and > use > it to make money. > – Neil – > >Noahs Dove, your gonna go to hell when you die. Why? Cause you are > >trying to make sick people even more miserable. If I had anything to do > >with it, your "Church of Scientology" would be outlawed and run out of > >this country.  It is no "religion" it is a cult. Cults are not real > >religions. Church of Scientology is a money making business/mind > >control/control freak organisation, not a real religion. Anybody who > >subscribes to the Scientology mindset or joins it is very weakminded. > >Withholding medical treatment for mentally ill people is sinful and > >anybody who advocates that is probably going to go to hell. Maybe we > >should send Delta Force to break you out of that Scientology compound > >and rescue you so you can be saved and deprogrammed. You have a lot of > >gaul coming on this NG, talking about the evils of psychiatric drugs > >when so many on here have serious problems and need aggressive > >treatments. Go away and quit wasting our time. That is an order > >goddammit. > >Life is a bitch, then you die…it’s true > >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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     My sentiments exactly.  The IRS was on the Church of Scientology’s case, but money changed hands under the table with politicians and the IRS got pulled off.  There also were several national security agencies checking them out; there being the potential for the Church to develop information usable to blackmail DOD employees with access to classified information.     Last I heard, the chief prosecutor of the German state of Bavaria was working on proving Scientology to be a cult and a fraud and then ride them out of town on a rail.  The most telling thing is that in an interview back in the ’30s, Lron said that It would be marvelous to invent a religion and use it to make money. – Neil – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Noahs Dove, your gonna go to hell when you die. Why? Cause you are >trying to make sick people even more miserable. If I had anything to do >with it, your "Church of Scientology" would be outlawed and run out of >this country.  It is no "religion" it is a cult. Cults are not real >religions. Church of Scientology is a money making business/mind >control/control freak organisation, not a real religion. Anybody who >subscribes to the Scientology mindset or joins it is very weakminded. >Withholding medical treatment for mentally ill people is sinful and >anybody who advocates that is probably going to go to hell. Maybe we >should send Delta Force to break you out of that Scientology compound >and rescue you so you can be saved and deprogrammed. You have a lot of >gaul coming on this NG, talking about the evils of psychiatric drugs >when so many on here have serious problems and need aggressive >treatments. Go away and quit wasting our time. That is an order >goddammit. >Life is a bitch, then you die…it’s true >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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> I think there might be a fairly simple reasoning behind the Noah’s Dove > post.  I suspect these people to be Freudian analysts, or some other such > branch of psychology/psychiatry.  They most likely see (whether they are > conscious of it or not) psychopharmacology to mean the imminent death > of their branch of the field, and thus the end of their careers. > – Neil –

Umm…I JUST wanted to clear something up..because I think that people think that there is this war between talk therapy and drug therapy. In fact…quite the opposite. Most scientologists HATE Freud…and ANY type of accomplished, social scientific therapy. Don’t forget..Freud was quite the psychopharmacologist himself..dishing out "cocaine" as an antidepressant. In fact, the APA advocates BOTH medication AND talk therapy..both have shown to have positive value. What we DON’T need is the "cult of scientologists" who offer nothing but criticism, "pull yourself up by the bootstraps"…and a bunch of hot air. I hope we can please keep this in mind:-) James MacLachlan — "These signs, this space Takes a path you didn’t choose Stay strong, keep faith There’s a change that’s coming through Hold on, my love It feels like Heaven’s coming down…" The Tea Party, "Heaven Coming Down"

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I hate to point out the obvious, guys…Noahs Dove…you know, like Noahs dove.  Probably not Scientologist, unless the Noah part is a ruse.  I think he/she may have alot of the sentiments of the COS but my guess is Latter Day Saints…well, perhaps an offshoot of.     I have no love for the  Church of Scientology  but I have to say the fervor of the Germans distaste and the depth of their resolve to put COS out of business there is frightening.  I think Germans in general should stay out of the business of persecuting minority religions, don’t you?(!) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->      My sentiments exactly.  The IRS was on the Church of Scientology’s > case, but money changed hands under the table with politicians and > the IRS got pulled off.  There also were several national security agencies > checking them out; there being the potential for the Church to develop > information usable to blackmail DOD employees with access to > classified information. >     Last I heard, the chief prosecutor of the German state of Bavaria was > working on proving Scientology to be a cult and a fraud and then ride them > out of town on a rail.  The most telling thing is that in an interview back > in > the ’30s, Lron said that It would be marvelous to invent a religion and use > it to make money. > – Neil – >Noahs Dove, your gonna go to hell when you die. Why? Cause you are >trying to make sick people even more miserable. If I had anything to do >with it, your "Church of Scientology" would be outlawed and run out of >this country.  It is no "religion" it is a cult. Cults are not real >religions. Church of Scientology is a money making business/mind >control/control freak organisation, not a real religion. Anybody who >subscribes to the Scientology mindset or joins it is very weakminded. >Withholding medical treatment for mentally ill people is sinful and >anybody who advocates that is probably going to go to hell. Maybe we >should send Delta Force to break you out of that Scientology compound >and rescue you so you can be saved and deprogrammed. You have a lot of >gaul coming on this NG, talking about the evils of psychiatric drugs >when so many on here have serious problems and need aggressive >treatments. Go away and quit wasting our time. That is an order >goddammit. >Life is a bitch, then you die…it’s true >Share what you know. Learn what you don’t.

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I think there might be a fairly simple reasoning behind the Noah’s Dove post.  I suspect these people to be Freudian analysts, or some other such branch of psychology/psychiatry.  They most likely see (whether they are conscious of it or not) psychopharmacology to mean the imminent death of their branch of the field, and thus the end of their careers. – Neil – – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >The most salient irony in your posting derives from its header: your >handle. >But the rest certainly is ironic, too.  That a professional would >disseminate (much less draw in the first place) such simplistic and >meaningless conclusions is odd. >I’m not trying to imply that SSRIs couldn’t serve as an adjunctive >trigger to violent behavior–they can.  Almost EVERY AD on the market– >including the very first ones–can do that by triggering manic >reactions.  And mania, in a person already obsessed with violence and >revenge, could lead to what it did in this case. >But to suggest that this abberance is forthcoming in all who take SSRIs >is wrong in many ways. >JJM > http://www.drugawareness.org/ >    Columbine: Eric Harris was under the influence of the Prozac >clone, > LUVOX, at the time of the Littleton shooting. > A Morbid Welcome to my World. > Learning from this tragedy is the greatest gift we can give to those >who > lost their lives in each of these tragedies. > by Dr. Ann Tracy >    Littleton Colorado blew the door wide open to reveal to the world >the > pain and suffering I have witnessed on a daily basis since these >newer > serotonergic antidepressants (Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, Luvox, Celexa, > Effexor, Serzone, etc.) hit the market. Eric Harris and Dylan >Klebold, > along with 12 classmates and a teacher lost their lives April 20 in > another preventable tragedy. This incident, like so many others >before > it, could save more lives than were lost IF this time we learn from >this > tragic and heart breaking incident. > If we don’t learn this time there will be another and another and > another Littleton, Colorado, Springfield, Oregon, Boise, Idaho, etc. > Learning from this tragedy is the greatest gift we can give to those >who > lost their lives in each of these tragedies. As Eric Harris was found >to > be under the influence of Luvox at the time of the tragedy, this must >be > a wake up call to the most extreme dangers of America’s most popular > medications – the new serotonergic antidepressants – Prozac, Zoloft, > Paxil, Luvox, Celexa, Effexor and Serzone. > Listed in the manufacturer’s warning as "frequent" adverse reactions >to > Luvox are "manic reaction" and "psychotic reaction." Of course >psychotic > reaction means the drug can induce what laymen would call insanity. > Mania is another slightly different and potentially very dangerous >form > of psychosis or insanity. the danger affects to both the patient and > those around him. Symptoms of mania include delusions of grandeur >(such > as planning to fly a plane into New York City and crash it into the > city), intense irritability and rages (as was witnessed in Eric >Harris’ > web site), criminal behavior including aggressive, violent, and >hostile > behaviors (all too obvious in this case),cravings for alcohol or >drugs > (Eric was reportedly drinking Jack Daniels.), drastic personality > changes swinging from one end of the spectrum to the other, extremely > deceitful, manipulative and controlling of all those around them, > although easily distracted they are very determined in acting upon >their > delusional thoughts, and very convincing to those around them of >their > perception of reality – perhaps because they, themselves, are so > convinced of the reality of their delusions, etc. > Periods of mania with delusional thoughts can persist for months and > years. It is living in a dream world or a fantasy world. And when the > brain has been programmed with violent video games, it would not be >at > all uncommon for those fantasies to become one’s "reality" in a manic > reaction. This is not a conscious state and is the method by which >these > drugs are so effective in merging fantasy with reality. > When you add to the alarming disclosure about the frequency of mania >and > psychosis with Luvox, the fact that "cough" is also listed as a > "frequent" adverse reaction to this medication the explosive >potential > is magnified greatly. The reason for the danger in this combination >of > cough and Luvox use lies in the interaction between popular cough > medications containing dextromethophan and the serotonergic > antidepressants. The mixing of these two can greatly increase the > possibility of a toxic reaction known as serotonin syndrome leading >to > PCP (Angel Dust) reactions. Would anyone have been surprised at Eric > Harris’ behavior if they knew he had been using PCP? Of course not! >The > tragedy lies in our ignorance of the drug interactions and the > negligence of the manufacturer to inform patients of this danger and >the > negligence of doctors and pharmacists in warning young patients and > their families of the dangerous potential psychotic reactions to >Luvox > or any of the other Prozac clones. > We witnessed the same type of drug-induced murderous rampage in the > Connecticut Lottery shooting just one year ago. Matthew Beck (see >below) > who worked at the lottery went to work where he shot and killed four > fellow workers in a Luvox induced psychotic rage before taking his >own > life. > How many deaths do we need to witness before we say, "Enough is >enough?" > In investigating 30 cases that have taken place over the last four >years > of something extremely rare before but becoming much more common – >women > committing murder and then attempting suicide – we also find an >alarming > link to these medications. Out of these 30 cases of mothers killing > their children or their husbands and then themselves, 22 were on > serotonergic medications at the time of the murder. This is an > alarmingly high figure! We had all better educate ourselves rapidly. > Before these drugs hit the market just over ten years ago these >things > were rare, now they are happening everywhere and the drugs are >lurking > behind the scenes in nearly every case. Society should demand an >answer > because we are the ones paying the ultimate price with our lives and >the > lives of our children while the drug companies rake in their millions >in > profits daily. > Waldner & Vickery Press Release: >    SSRI drugs like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft and Luvox–which was >apparently > prescribed for Eric Harris–can trigger violent behavior in some >people. > …we are extremely troubled by the hasty statements from the >American > Psychiatric Association indicating that "despite a decade of >research, > there is little valid evidence to prove a causal relationship between > the use of antidepressant medications and destructive behavior".What > "decade of research"? The fact is the large drug companies have > assiduously avoided any serious research into this lethal side >effect. > Note From Dr. Tracy: >    Matthew Beck, Accused of Killing Four in the Hartford Lottery >Shootings > also on Luvox. > A silent and seething employee went on a bloody rampage at >Connecticut > Lottery Corp. headquarters Friday, March 7, 1998, killing four senior > lottery officials before committing suicide. > Beck was taking at least two medications that physicians say are > commonly prescribed for anxiety, depression and obsessive-compulsive > disorders. Luvox is an anti-depressant used to treat an > obsessive-compulsive disorder, and Lorazepam is an anti-anxiety drug > similar to Valium. >– > Opinions: >    Eric Harris was taking Luvox (a Prozac-like drug) at the time of >the > Littleton murders. > by Peter R. Breggin, M.D > On April 29 the Washington Post confirmed that Eric Harris, the >leader > in the Littleton tragedy, was taking the psychiatric drug Luvox at >the > time of the murders. On April 30 the same newspaper published a story > quoting expert claims that Luvox is safe and has no association with > causing violence. In fact, Luvox and closely related drugs commonly > produce manic psychoses, aggression, and other behavioral >abnormalities > in children and young people. > Was the Littleton Shooting a Drug-Induced Mania? > While doctors interviewed by The Washington Post and CNN claim >there’s > no link between Luvox and aggressive behavior, the medical literature > gives a different picture. Luvox is the trade name for fluvoxamine, > which research shows can induce mania. > Doping our kids: Prescription drugs at root of violence, says expert > By David M. Bresnahan;

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> Lots of rest might be achieved by Zyprexa, which >here in the AMC it is also given to psychotic patients who haven’t >slept for days sometimes even a week to induce good sleep, to be replaced >later with another Antipsychotic (probably because of the high price).

Thanks again, I’ll check into the Zyprexa.  It’s so frustrating getting the right combo.  In the mean time, she just is suffering so much from the depression, axiety, lack of sleep and with the depakote the tremor is a big bother.

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>Depakote in combination with Benzo’s like Diazepam (Valium) is a definite >No-No! It may precipitate psychotic episodes, which may include agitation >and extreme insomnia. Risperidal might work for extreme sleeping disorders >but Zyprexa (Olanzapine) will do the job even better. Paxil also may act- >ually worsen sleep disorders and agitation.

Thanks for the info.  I’ll have to bring this up with the Doc.  Are there any Benzo’s they do prescribe with Depakote?  I thought Paxil is a sedating antidepressant and would help with sleep and panic disorder.  At this point, she just needs a LOT of rest.  If this combo is causing all these psychotic episodes, I’ll definitely have to ask her doctor about a possible change.

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op Mon, 11 Jan 1999, Bill schreef: >Depakote in combination with Benzo’s like Diazepam (Valium) is a definite >No-No! It may precipitate psychotic episodes, which may include agitation >and extreme insomnia. Risperidal might work for extreme sleeping disorders >but Zyprexa (Olanzapine) will do the job even better. Paxil also may act- >ually worsen sleep disorders and agitation. > Thanks for the info.  I’ll have to bring this up with the Doc.  Are > there any Benzo’s they do prescribe with Depakote?  I thought Paxil is

Well, it’s still done, but it’s definitely not advisable. It might be that some of the new BZD-like drugs that are in testing phase now prove to lack this side effect in combination with Depakote, as they are not stronger bound to their receptor in the presence of GABA and don’t have potentiating effect on alcohol and lack the attribute of creating tolerance. I do not believe any of these substances is on the market anywhere, yet, though. (I am talking about Substances like Zoldipem and Aldipem) Aldipem was on the market, but has been withdrawn from the market for its toxicity. So we still have to wait for better medications to come… > a sedating antidepressant and would help with sleep and panic > disorder.  At this point, she just needs a LOT of rest.  If this combo > is causing all these psychotic episodes, I’ll definitely have to ask > her doctor about a possible change.

Paroxetine (Paxil) like all SSRI’s is regarded as a slightly stimulating Antidepressant. But it can help very well with panic disorder, the most effective ADs for panic disorder still would be MAOIs or the more modern (less side effects) Reversible Inhibitors of MAO-A (RIMAs like Moclobemide), yet they might be slightly less efficient in treating Panic Disorder, too, this is not well established, though. It’s very likely, that if she’s experiencing psychotic episodes, this combo is causing it. Lots of rest might be achieved by Zyprexa, which here in the AMC it is also given to psychotic patients who haven’t slept for days sometimes even a week to induce good sleep, to be replaced later with another Antipsychotic (probably because of the high price). GreetinX        X        X       Bas

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Ay! >My friend was currently admitted to the hospital for a potential >overdose (possible suicide).  She was released in 3 days and put on >Depakote, Risperdal, Paxil, Elavil, Ambien.  She also had some >Valium’s which was prescribed to her before.

Depakote in combination with Benzo’s like Diazepam (Valium) is a definite No-No! It may precipitate psychotic episodes, which may include agitation and extreme insomnia. Risperidal might work for extreme sleeping disorders but Zyprexa (Olanzapine) will do the job even better. Paxil also may act- ually worsen sleep disorders and agitation. >Her symptoms prior to admission to the hospital was irritability and >extreme insomnia.  She could never sleep even though she tried. >Recently I found out from her that she’s had suicidal thoughts a lot >and admitted she tried to overdose herself that day she was taken to >the hospital.

Bummer! These might be benzo withdrawal symptoms! >She was taking Depakote before the hospitalization.  She never had >depression so severe where she thought about suicide.   Could it be >the Depakote she’s been taking for 3 months?  Or is it the Valium 10 >mgs she’s been taking (she is definitely addicted to Valium and took >100 tabs in 2 weeks!)  Could that be adding to her severe depression? >I know the Doc didn’t prescribe taking 5-6 Valium 10 mg per day!

Ah, this might clear up the image. As I said before, Depakote (Valproic Acid) associated with BDZs may precipitate psychotic episodes. Further- more benzo’s, especially in high doses, will initially cause euphoria, anxiolytic effect, and sedative/hypnotic effects (drowsiness). Large doses especially will produce dependence and tolerance even to the point where taking more will not stop the withdrawal symptoms. Prominent symptoms of withdrawal include excess sensitivity to light and sound, insomnia, tachycardia, mild systolic hypertension, tremor, sweating, abdominal distress, headaches, dysphory, depersonalization, intense sense of fear, agitation and lethargy. Especially note dysphoria, insomnia and agitation in this row of withdrawl symptoms, because these are exactly the symptoms you are describing as her main problems. So BDZ addiction might well be her biggest problem, adding more meds will definitely not do the trick, she’ll need to be weaned of on valium. The most important thing is she herself recognizes the Benzo’s actually ARE the problem. >Can Benzodiazpine abuse cause severe depression?  If they try to wean

BDZ addiction can cause severe depression, just like Alcohol abuse can! >her off the Valium, will that not make her more agitated and less >likely to sleep?  She’s already taking so many meds.  The Depakote, >paxil, risperdal, elavil and ambien should be helping her sleep but it >doesn’t always do the trick. Then she starts adding all those Valiums.

Initially the symptoms will come worse weaning of of BDZs is highly un- pleasant. But if nothing is done, the next attempt might just succeed… Just stopping at once with such high dose of Valium might cause delirium and convulsions, so stopping cold turkey is probably not a good idea. Valium is definitely not worth being addicted to! Being hospitalized during the weaning of process is probably the best idea, but she might be able to do it herself. Again, most important thing is she’ll start to realize her BDZ-addiction IS the problem and not the answer! If she realizes this she might be strong enough to wean of the Valium all by herself, but it will not be easy… GreetinX & Lotsa good luck for your friend! She’ll need it!        X        X       Bas!                     DE  DIGITALE  STAD

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My friend was currently admitted to the hospital for a potential overdose (possible suicide).  She was released in 3 days and put on Depakote, Risperdal, Paxil, Elavil, Ambien.  She also had some Valium’s which was prescribed to her before. Her symptoms prior to admission to the hospital was irritability and extreme insomnia.  She could never sleep even though she tried. Recently I found out from her that she’s had suicidal thoughts a lot and admitted she tried to overdose herself that day she was taken to the hospital. She was taking Depakote before the hospitalization.  She never had depression so severe where she thought about suicide.   Could it be the Depakote she’s been taking for 3 months?  Or is it the Valium 10 mgs she’s been taking (she is definitely addicted to Valium and took 100 tabs in 2 weeks!)  Could that be adding to her severe depression? I know the Doc didn’t prescribe taking 5-6 Valium 10 mg per day! Can Benzodiazpine abuse cause severe depression?  If they try to wean her off the Valium, will that not make her more agitated and less likely to sleep?  She’s already taking so many meds.  The Depakote, paxil, risperdal, elavil and ambien should be helping her sleep but it doesn’t always do the trick. Then she starts adding all those Valiums.

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snipped… >If they try to wean  her off the Valium, will that not make her more

agitated and less  likely to sleep?  She’s already taking so many meds. The Depakote, paxil, risperdal, elavil and ambien should be helping her sleep but it doesn’t always do the trick. Then she starts adding all those Valiums. Hi Bill, Valium can cause fatigue, ataxia, respiratory depression, paradoxical anxiety and somnolence. If she is abusing the drug abrupt cessation will result in withdrawal symptoms. She needs to taper off of Valium and be in a detox facility for at least 3 days. Do her doctors know she is abusing the Valium?? This is important information. Best of luck finding her the approriate help she needs. Peace, — —– … Something Deep!

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>Do her doctors know she is abusing the Valium?? This is important >information.

No.  I’d like to say something but I don’t want to get her admitted to the hospital again.  She wouldn’t be able to make it this time.  I wonder if we can work something out with the doc and have her take less at home but monitor her.

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op 11 Jan 1999, Vlcnik67 schreef: > What is an AD?  I have decreased sexual desire too, butsince they put me on > Prozac, it seems to be lifting.   Veronica

Prozac is an AD (AntiDepressant). Decreased sexual desire is also a problem of depression and AP (AntiPsychotic) treatment. AP treatment especially decrease sexual desire in men, because of rising Prolactin levels. I’ve had the same experience with ADs, for me the Paroxetine (=Paxil) made me hypomanic in the first stage, and this definitely increased my sexual drive then. While Zyprexa totally annihalated it. GreetinX & Lotsa luck        X        X       Bas

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snipped… > PS The contents of this post are a direct result of the cabin fever I > have been suffering from, so please do not take me

Brother Dan,   IMHO you are randy right now! But heh, that’s ok Luv ya, — —– … Something Deep!

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What is an AD?  I have decreased sexual desire too, butsince they put me on Prozac, it seems to be lifting.   Veronica

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> Prozac turned me into a nympho!!! > Carol > I only get the buzz of arousal when that rare person comes > (no pun, you guys) along that I want to rip their clothes off!

Hi Catherine and Carol! I just wanted to reach out to you…….to step forward and  let you know that I would be more than delighted to help you guys Carol……I had to stop taking Prozac and susequently was left with a boatload of the stuff. I would happy to give them to you…..in person. Let me know! Catherine…….Why wait for that "rare person"., no sense in depriving yourself of some  fun…….I have a lot of free time. Advise accordingly! Thanks in advance for your prompt response! cheers, dan emmett PS The contents of this post are a direct result of the cabin fever I have been suffering from, so please do not take me

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Sometimes I become so sexually obsessed . Like when i’m with a woman , I have to make love to her a certain way..Tease her, and feel her up really slowly… And my hormones are like flooded…….

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Considering this is a brain disorder with a chemical imbalance…any combination of symptoms can occur.  Hypomania doesn’t have to have all the symptoms or meet any criteria…it is just the way the brain mix is at the time.  I suspect you are in hypomania without the other symptoms.  I was hypomanic for months with a sex drive that was constant…but not all the other symptoms were.  I went manic quite a few times also. —   O  ooo   Cindy          O – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Just wondering a few things regarding sexual desire/drive…however you care >to label it. I am really starting to worry baout myself. I am not manic, nor >depressed…just kinda stuck in the middle and dipping every couple of >days…but my sex drive is insatiable. Is this normal? A symptom of a swing >to come. Someone please help…I feel akward enough as it is answering >this!!!

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> Sometimes I become so sexually obsessed . Like when i’m with a woman , I > have to make love to her a certain way..Tease her, and feel her up > really slowly… And my hormones are like flooded…….

Really??? — —– … Something Deep!

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op 9 Jan 1999, Spizbo schreef: > Well my sexual drive jumpped off a cliff and died as soon as I became stable on >  my meds.  Before that.  Well I had quite a big one.  But now it is gone.  So > sad for my poor husband. > Zoe > Zoe for Prez. . .2000!!!

What meds are you taking ? I am curious… Do you know what med’s causing this big big problem ? GreetinX        X        X       Bas

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >                   DE  DIGITALE  STAD > Op 9 Jan 1999, Spizbo schreef: > Well my sexual drive jumpped off a cliff and died as >soon as I became stable on >  my meds.  Before that.  Well I had quite a big one.   >But now it is gone.  So sad for my poor husband. > What meds are you taking ? I am curious… >Do you know what med’s causing this big big problem ? > GreetinX >        X >        X >       Bas

LOL Bas:) Seriously, among other things mine jumped off the same gd cliff! I believe it is the Effexor which I will be off of in 2 days. If I don’t laugh I will cry. It is a real pronblem for alot of people on ADs. Peace, — —– … Something Deep!

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>Just wondering a few things regarding sexual desire/drive…however you care >to label it. I am really starting to worry baout myself. I am not manic, nor >depressed…just kinda stuck in the middle and dipping every couple of >days…but my sex drive is insatiable. Is this normal? A symptom of a swing >to come. Someone please help…I feel akward enough as it is answering >this!!!

….Well I have a problem in this area too.  There are periods of time where it seems I can never get enough.  This has caused great friction and fighting with my wife.  Since I started taking my meds it seems as though my drive may be "normal" for the time being.  I’m interested to see if my drive continues to drop or at least levels off to a point where I can function like a "normal human". Everyone is scared to answer this? he he

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Well my sexual drive jumpped off a cliff and died as soon as I became stable on  my meds.  Before that.  Well I had quite a big one.  But now it is gone.  So sad for my poor husband. Zoe Zoe for Prez. . .2000!!!

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> Just wondering a few things regarding sexual desire/drive…however you care > to label it. I am really starting to worry baout myself. I am not manic, nor > depressed…just kinda stuck in the middle and dipping every couple of > days…but my sex drive is insatiable. Is this normal? A symptom of a swing > to come. Someone please help…I feel akward enough as it is answering > this!!!

  I don’t really know. I’ve always had a pretty high sex drive (at least since puberty <g>), unless I was severly depressed – then ain’t nothing happening But (God am I actually going to write this?), a lot of times though as I begin to climb into hypomania (I usually rise through hypomania into mania instead of boom being there) I begin to crave what I consider to be my only fetish. It has become one of my tests for (hypo)mania. I don’t always "get the urge" when I’m (hypo)manic, but I almost never get it when I’m not. Don’t really know if this helps or if it’s even the same thing, but FWIW… Tigger bouncy, trouncy, flouncy, pouncy, fun, fun, fun, fun, FUN!!!

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Hi khryctee,     You stated in your post~~~but my sex drive is insatiable. Is this normal?~~~     I believe it is a normal part of mania, but not a normsl part of life.  It feels real good while it is happening but like all manic symptoms it passes or spirals us into despair.     The thrilll of it all, the ego boosting the release, I loved it.  It is the one thing about mania that I would keep.  Too bad its an all inclusive package    Take care I hope I helped but I doubt it “`Treacha ..always, Treacha ..as the twig bends…so the tree grows…

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                    DE  DIGITALE  STAD Op Mon, 29 Jun 1998, Small Phoenix schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am great now, I’m surprised at how many stress I can take while >still feeling Ok on my new medication (Seroxat = Paroxetine). I think >it’s working great for me, my mood swings have decreased in intensity by >something like ninety percent or so. > Seroxat is an antidepressant not a mood stabiliser. Watch out for > manic moments!!! > Best wishes > Jay H > UPDATED Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm > I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. > Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.

I know, the manic moments that I at times exhibit are shorter than before I had the medication, and yet, the decreased self-control that I exhibit while manic seem to be increased. I don’t feel bad when doin’ crazy shit while bein’ hypomanic, haven’t exhibited complete mania since the meds for more than one time (was some three to six hours, bein’ completely drunk). Also I haven’t exhibited psychotic symptoms anymore, I’m clear in the head. My life definitely got better since the meds; I function relatively good – better than anywhere before in my short life. I am especially glad that I can concentrate on school, social contacts, relationships, etc. I’m not psychotic anymore, but I also wasn’t psychotic taking 10 mg Zyprexa every day, yet, I couldn’t concentrate, and was very amotivated and depressed. Seroxat Rules For Me ! Happy Travelings Jay H !  X  X  X Bas

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>I am great now, I’m surprised at how many stress I can take while >still feeling Ok on my new medication (Seroxat = Paroxetine). I think >it’s working great for me, my mood swings have decreased in intensity by >something like ninety percent or so.

Seroxat is an antidepressant not a mood stabiliser. Watch out for manic moments!!! Best wishes Jay H UPDATED Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.

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Ok, a few days ago I wrote something ’bout my manic friend, 1 or 2 days later he got completely psychotic (meaning that no question I fired at him got returned by an understandable answer – totally incoherent) and messed up my room, my pet-rats; one in the trash can, had to fish him out of a container (it was my most dear rat – Flip, he came when I called him, making sounds like an old perculator, he always makes that sound, the rithm of the soun tells me how he feels, he felt great in the garbage, but he was very glad to see me). My keys were gone and all kind of crazy shit happened. I was psychotic before, in my manic as well as in my depressed periods, but never like this. I hope my friend will be Ok, he’s taking Semap now (that’s Orap depot) and I hope he will continue taking it. I was previously diagnosed with Schizoaffective disorder, but I believe my friend has more Schizo-like things when psychotic. I hope he’ll be allright. I am great now, I’m surprised at how many stress I can take while still feeling Ok on my new medication (Seroxat = Paroxetine). I think it’s working great for me, my mood swings have decreased in intensity by something like ninety percent or so. Happy Travelings On The Desert Of High Hopes & Love A Thousand Kisses ! Bas                     DE  DIGITALE  STAD

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