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The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the fact that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions and errors in his publications. The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of scientology I have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see as a social evil. It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to discredit critics of this shabby agenda.

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>The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/

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>The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/

Of course not … The point its a flat lie to say that the The Fink fingered sites have nessarily anything to do with scientology simply because Max Finx says so.. This one at least explicitly shuns them. Dr Fink is controversially extreme in the electroshocking of children.. nothing to do with meds at all…  what has this to do with meds? The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the fact that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions and errors in his publications. The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of scientology I have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see as a social evil. It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to discredit critics of this shabby agenda. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> W.W.K.D. > (What would Kirk do?) > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. > >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >Of course not … >The point its a flat lie to say that the The Fink fingered sites have >nessarily >anything to do with scientology simply because Max Finx says so.. >This one at least explicitly shuns them. >Dr Fink is controversially extreme in the electroshocking of children.. >nothing to do with meds at all… > what has this to do with meds? >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they are >not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s Commission >on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry >but which we want no affiliation with. >What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the fact >that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the >ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions >and errors in his publications. >The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of scientology I >have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, >well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see as >a social evil. >It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to >discredit critics of this shabby agenda.

You need to visit a ward and see people hurting, I know you say you have but, you need to go again and _look_  and see the future these people endure because of the ravages of there _disease_. Psychiatry is not evil, the thought is totally ludicrous, look at Gem she’s loosing it cause she won’t take the meds. I am a whole person today because I take my meds as prescribed. Like it or not psychiatry is just not going to go away no matter how many anti-psychiatry people converge on the web. Walk a mile in my boots, then condemn psychiatry Bob. W.W.K.D. (What would Kirk do?) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >> >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >Of course not … >The point its a flat lie to say that the The Fink fingered sites have >nessarily >anything to do with scientology simply because Max Finx says so.. >This one at least explicitly shuns them. >Dr Fink is controversially extreme in the electroshocking of children.. >nothing to do with meds at all… > what has this to do with meds? >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they are >not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s Commission >on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry >but which we want no affiliation with. >What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the fact >that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the >ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions >and errors in his publications. >The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of scientology I >have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, >well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see as >a social evil. >It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to >discredit critics of this shabby agenda. > You need to visit a ward and see people hurting, I know you say you > have but, you need to go again and _look_  and see the future these > people endure because of the ravages of there _disease_. > Psychiatry is not evil, the thought is totally ludicrous, look at Gem > she’s loosing it cause she won’t take the meds. > I am a whole person today because I take my meds as prescribed. Like > it or not psychiatry is just not going to go away no matter how many > anti-psychiatry people converge on the web. > Walk a mile in my boots, then condemn psychiatry Bob.

As eric indirectly points out, robert, its neurology which is the science that helped you function, not psychiatry.  I do not in any way encourage you to lose what the drugs got for you.  I simply think that all things being equal, if you can. in the future, you should get off them.  Neither Bob nor I would like to see you back  in the hospital. (BTW, I am NOT authorized in any form to speak for Bob.) The concern for people who take psych drugs long term is that there is damage being done to you, to your mind and your body.  We have a lot of evidence that the drug firms just like ford, firestone, and many other large multi national firms cover up evidence of flaws in their products, and in the aftermath of Reagan the federal govt. has lost so much of their ability to exercise oversight, it is just not anything that gives me any reason to trust the drug firms. All that said once again, I hope your remission continues well, Robert.

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>As eric indirectly points out, robert, its neurology which is the science >that >helped you function, not psychiatry.

Hey asshole, do you think you can spell our names with Capital letters? I know Id appreciate if you would spell my name with a capital E and not a little e Steve. I think Robert is the same I bet. Also, while its very true that mental illness really should be absorbed into Neurology formally, currently this is not the case and currently mental illness is treated by psychiatrists and GP docs. So currently you must face reality Steve and deal with psychiatry.  I do not in any way encourage you to >lose >what the drugs got for you.  I simply think that all things being equal, if >you >can. in the future, you should get off them.  Neither Bob nor I would like to >see >you back  in the hospital. (BTW, I am NOT authorized in any form to speak for >Bob.)

You are telling someone who is a manic depressive that they need to get off their meds Steve? Do you have any idea how serious manic depression can get Steve? Do you realize that manic depression is a genetic lifetime disease…you never are truly "cured" of manic depression, you just manage it. Therapy is ineffective for manic depression Steve and medications are the core treatment for manic depression. Most manic depressives need to stay on a mood stabilizer for their entire life Steve. It has a tendency to come back when they go off the drugs. >The concern for people who take psych drugs long term is that there is damage >being done to you, to your mind and your body.  We have a lot of evidence >that >the drug firms just like ford, firestone, and many other large multi national >firms cover up evidence of flaws in their products, and in the aftermath of >Reagan the federal govt. has lost so much of their ability to exercise >oversight, >it is just not anything that gives me any reason to trust the drug firms.

Oh yeah Steve? Are you talking about the older drugs like Tricyclics, MAOIs and typical anti-psychotics like Haldol and Thorazone? Or are you talking about the modern class meds such as SSRIs, depakote, Topomax and atypical anti-psychotics? Because the modern class meds are extremely safe and there is no reason why a person cant remain on them safely longterm. I think what you are *really* doing Steve is merely stating your own personal opinion about drugs…how you personally feel about the psych drugs. And guess what Steve? Nobody on ASDM gives a flying fuck what you think. >All that said once again, I hope your remission continues well, Robert.

Smart ass, patronizing attitude you have there Steve. Id like to see you talk this way to people offline in real life. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >> >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >Of course not … >The point its a flat lie to say that the The Fink fingered sites have >nessarily >anything to do with scientology simply because Max Finx says so.. >This one at least explicitly shuns them. >Dr Fink is controversially extreme in the electroshocking of children.. >nothing to do with meds at all… > what has this to do with meds? >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they are >not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s Commission >on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry >but which we want no affiliation with. >What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the fact >that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the >ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions >and errors in his publications. >The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of scientology I >have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, >well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see as >a social evil. >It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to >discredit critics of this shabby agenda. > You need to visit a ward and see people hurting, I know you say you > have but, you need to go again and _look_  and see the future these > people endure because of the ravages of there _disease_.

I dont need to .. such people visit me every night over here some people are even ejected if their syntomology is too severe ..especially if alcohol or concommitent socalled "drug abuse" is involved.. Remember the bipolar girl whose father killed her when she was thrown out of hospital for smoking marijuana To critise Max Fink for slander has nothing to do with medications. > Psychiatry is not evil, the thought is totally ludicrous,

Im not aware of ever suggesting that psychiatry was evil… If anything I look on it con siderably more favourably than Eric ..for example The social stratification of psychiatric treatments is vicious,divisive and self-defeating .. that people have no treatment or have to make do with old style "dirty drugs" as Eric calls them.. or electroshock purely based on the size of their wallet is disgraceful.. Evil is a term I feel best left to theologians. look at Gem > she’s loosing it cause she won’t take the meds.

I amno more qualified to judge that than you.. Its a matter between Linda and her pdoc.. why are you so concerned with her rather than consolidating your own recovery? Its totally out of order to suggest people need therapies of your choosing because they disagree with you. This applies equally to you saying Linda needs chemotherapy or Steve suggesting Eric needs psychotherapy ..or Eric suggesting Steve needs ETC. > I am a whole person today because I take my meds as prescribed.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with Dr Finks slander of his opponents or his electroshocking of children. Like > it or not psychiatry is just not going to go away no matter how many > anti-psychiatry people converge on the web.

Neither Institutional Psychiatry nor its critics are ever going to "go away" I think that is healthy and the price you pay for living in a democracy. > Walk a mile in my boots, then condemn psychiatry Bob.

as ghastly as a psychotic break can be … you are not unique in having had one Robert.. as we speak people are having them without any support whatsoever. I suggest that you consider you are having a conditioned reflex to the name of the website slandered by Dr Fink. Either that or it seems positively trollish behaviour. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> W.W.K.D. > (What would Kirk do?) > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As eric indirectly points out, robert, its neurology which is the science >that >helped you function, not psychiatry. > Hey asshole, do you think you can spell our names with Capital letters? I know > Id appreciate if you would spell my name with a capital E and not a little e > Steve. I think Robert is the same I bet. Also, while its very true that mental > illness really should be absorbed into Neurology formally, currently this is > not the case and currently mental illness is treated by psychiatrists and GP > docs. So currently you must face reality Steve and deal with psychiatry. >  I do not in any way encourage you to >lose >what the drugs got for you.  I simply think that all things being equal, if >you >can. in the future, you should get off them.  Neither Bob nor I would like to >see >you back  in the hospital. (BTW, I am NOT authorized in any form to speak for >Bob.) > You are telling someone who is a manic depressive that they need to get off > their meds Steve? Do you have any idea how serious manic depression can get > Steve? Do you realize that manic depression is a genetic lifetime disease…you > never are truly "cured" of manic depression, you just manage it. Therapy is > ineffective for manic depression Steve and medications are the core treatment > for manic depression. > Most manic depressives need to stay on a mood stabilizer for their entire life > Steve. It has a tendency to come back when they go off the drugs. >The concern for people who take psych drugs long term is that there is damage >being done to you, to your mind and your body.  We have a lot of evidence >that >the drug firms just like ford, firestone, and many other large multi national >firms cover up evidence of flaws in their products, and in the aftermath of >Reagan the federal govt. has lost so much of their ability to exercise >oversight, >it is just not anything that gives me any reason to trust the drug firms. > Oh yeah Steve? Are you talking about the older drugs like Tricyclics, MAOIs and > typical anti-psychotics like Haldol and Thorazone? Or are you talking about the > modern class meds such as SSRIs, depakote, Topomax and atypical > anti-psychotics? Because the modern class meds are extremely safe and there is > no reason why a person cant remain on them safely longterm. > I think what you are *really* doing Steve is merely stating your own personal > opinion about drugs…how you personally feel about the psych drugs. And guess > what Steve? Nobody on ASDM gives a flying fuck what you think. >All that said once again, I hope your remission continues well, Robert. > Smart ass, patronizing attitude you have there Steve. Id like to see you talk > this way to people offline in real life. > Eric

Nobody is telling anybody to get off meds.. I followed the links you posted and found to my suprise the sites listed by Dr Fink as scientology linked in fact have an aversion to scientology.. All the smoke and mirrors and red herring in th world do not alter that fact which ie the subject of this thread. Have you anything to say about this sites slandering by Dr Fink??? This is what is says on the site that you and Dr Fink impugn as scientologist? No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they are not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry but which we want no affiliation with. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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>As eric indirectly points out, robert, its neurology which is the science that >helped you function, not psychiatry.  I do not in any way encourage you to lose >what the drugs got for you.  I simply think that all things being equal, if you >can. in the future, you should get off them.  Neither Bob nor I would like to see >you back  in the hospital. (BTW, I am NOT authorized in any form to speak for >Bob.)

 It _is_ possible that my mania was introduced by the use of older style anti-depressents used to induce sleep. Bipolar people are not supposed to take anti-depressents without augmentation of a mood stabilizer. Upon discontinuation of the older ad’s the mania didn’t subside though, so who can say for sure. (No Gem you had nothing to do with this).  I had been med free since December though, life was rocky at times but I was o.k., until this last episode. After going through the psychosis though, you would have to pry the AP from my dead hands to make me stop using it. What I worry about with all this med, anti-med talk is the basic fact that were fucking with peoples lives, without _any_ scientific background. >The concern for people who take psych drugs long term is that there is damage >being done to you, to your mind and your body.  We have a lot of evidence that >the drug firms just like ford, firestone, and many other large multi national >firms cover up evidence of flaws in their products, and in the aftermath of >Reagan the federal govt. has lost so much of their ability to exercise oversight, >it is just not anything that gives me any reason to trust the drug firms.

Well, it is a possibility that the companies are corrupt, but I see it more as knowledge being gained bit, by painful bit. After all if a cure were discovered in pill form that company would be very rich indeed. >All that said once again, I hope your remission continues well, Robert.

Thanks I feel pretty good. W.W.K.D. (What would Kirk do?) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >> >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from >that. > >> >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ > >Of course not … > >The point its a flat lie to say that the The Fink fingered sites have > >nessarily > >anything to do with scientology simply because Max Finx says so.. > >This one at least explicitly shuns them. > >Dr Fink is controversially extreme in the electroshocking of children.. > >nothing to do with meds at all… > > what has this to do with meds? > >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. > >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ > >No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they >are > >not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s >Commission > >on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry > >but which we want no affiliation with. > >What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the >fact > >that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the > >ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions > >and errors in his publications. > >The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of >scientology I > >have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, > >well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see >as > >a social evil. > >It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to > >discredit critics of this shabby agenda. > You need to visit a ward and see people hurting, I know you say you > have but, you need to go again and _look_  and see the future these > people endure because of the ravages of there _disease_. >I dont need to .. >such people visit me every night >over here some people are even ejected if their syntomology is too severe >..especially if alcohol or concommitent socalled "drug abuse" is involved.. >Remember the bipolar girl whose father killed her when she was thrown out of >hospital for >smoking marijuana >To critise Max Fink for slander has nothing to do with medications. > Psychiatry is not evil, the thought is totally ludicrous, >Im not aware of ever suggesting that psychiatry was evil… >If anything I look on it con siderably more favourably than Eric ..for >example >The social stratification of psychiatric treatments is vicious,divisive and >self-defeating .. >that people have no treatment or have to make do with old style "dirty >drugs" as Eric calls them.. >or electroshock purely based on the size >of their wallet is disgraceful.. >Evil is a term I feel best left to theologians. >look at Gem > she’s loosing it cause she won’t take the meds. >I amno more qualified to judge that than you.. >Its a matter between Linda and her pdoc.. >why are you so concerned with her rather than consolidating your own >recovery? >Its totally out of order to suggest people need therapies of your choosing >because they disagree with you. >This applies equally to you saying Linda needs chemotherapy or Steve >suggesting Eric needs psychotherapy ..or Eric suggesting Steve needs ETC. > I am a whole person today because I take my meds as prescribed. >This has nothing whatsoever to do with Dr Finks slander of his opponents or >his electroshocking of children. >Like > it or not psychiatry is just not going to go away no matter how many > anti-psychiatry people converge on the web. >Neither Institutional Psychiatry nor its critics are ever going to "go away" >I think that is healthy and the price you pay for living in a democracy. > Walk a mile in my boots, then condemn psychiatry Bob. >as ghastly as a psychotic break can be … >you are not unique in having had one Robert.. as we speak people are having >them without any support whatsoever. >I suggest that you consider you are having a conditioned reflex to the name >of the website >slandered by Dr Fink. >Either that or it seems positively trollish behaviour.

uninitiated coming here seeking help and refusing medicines based on is. W.W.K.D. (What would Kirk do?) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> >> >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from >that. >> >> >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >> >Of course not … >> >The point its a flat lie to say that the The Fink fingered sites have >> >nessarily >> >anything to do with scientology simply because Max Finx says so.. >> >This one at least explicitly shuns them. >> >Dr Fink is controversially extreme in the electroshocking of children.. >> >nothing to do with meds at all… >> > what has this to do with meds? >> >The sites smeared by Dr Max Fink as scientology linked are far from that. >> >Here is a request on the web page of www.antipsychiatry.org/ >> >No Scientologists, please: Volunteers will be asked for assurance they >are >> >not affiliated with the "Church" of Scientology or its Citizen’s >Commission >> >on Human Rights (CCHR), which have publicized the harm done by psychiatry >> >but which we want no affiliation with. >> >What they do have in common is nothing to do with Scientology but the >fact >> >that they expose Dr Finks financial links with the >> >ECT Industry and the glaring contradictions >> >and errors in his publications. >> >The people exposing and fighting what they see as the evils of >scientology I >> >have found to be ,after weeks of research and conversations, >> >well meaning and decent men and women of goodwill fighting what they see >as >> >a social evil. >> >It is indecent that their efforts should be used as scare tactics to >> >discredit critics of this shabby agenda. >> You need to visit a ward and see people hurting, I know you say you >> have but, you need to go again and _look_  and see the future these >> people endure because of the ravages of there _disease_. >I dont need to .. >such people visit me every night >over here some people are even ejected if their syntomology is too severe >..especially if alcohol or concommitent socalled "drug abuse" is involved.. >Remember the bipolar girl whose father killed her when she was thrown out of >hospital for >smoking marijuana >To critise Max Fink for slander has nothing to do with medications. >> Psychiatry is not evil, the thought is totally ludicrous, >Im not aware of ever suggesting that psychiatry was evil… >If anything I look on it con siderably more favourably than Eric ..for >example >The social stratification of psychiatric treatments is vicious,divisive and >self-defeating .. >that people have no treatment or have to make do with old style "dirty >drugs" as Eric calls them.. >or electroshock purely based on the size >of their wallet is disgraceful.. >Evil is a term I feel best left to theologians. >look at Gem >> she’s loosing it cause she won’t take the meds. >I amno more qualified to judge that than you.. >Its a matter between Linda and her pdoc.. >why are you so concerned with her rather than consolidating your own >recovery? >Its totally out of order to suggest people need therapies of your choosing >because they disagree with you. >This applies equally to you saying Linda needs chemotherapy or Steve >suggesting Eric needs psychotherapy ..or Eric suggesting Steve needs ETC. >> I am a whole person today because I take my meds as prescribed. >This has nothing whatsoever to do with Dr Finks slander of his opponents or >his electroshocking of children. >Like >> it or not psychiatry is just not going to go away no matter how many >> anti-psychiatry people converge on the web. >Neither Institutional Psychiatry nor its critics are ever going to "go away" >I think that is healthy and the price you pay for living in a democracy. >> Walk a mile in my boots, then condemn psychiatry Bob. >as ghastly as a psychotic break can be … >you are not unique in having had one Robert.. as we speak people are having >them without any support whatsoever. >I suggest that you consider you are having a conditioned reflex to the name >of the website >slandered by Dr Fink. >Either that or it seems positively trollish behaviour. > uninitiated coming here seeking help and refusing medicines based on > is.

No-ones going to lose help by knowing that Dr Fink is a liar. medicines arent mentioned. If thats your concern…  I suggest you adress people who are viciously attacking newposters concerned about med effects…and brain damage  calling them liars frauds and scientologists without a scrap of evidence to support it. Telling them to "go away" I have a shrewd suspicion you saw red when you saw the name "antipsychiatry"  from Erics list of links. That just happens to be the one that explicitly bars scientologists  contrary to the slanders and smears. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> W.W.K.D. > (What would Kirk do?) > —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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>No-ones going to lose help by knowing that Dr Fink is a liar. >medicines arent mentioned. >If thats your concern… > I suggest you adress people who are viciously attacking newposters >concerned about med effects…and brain damage > calling them liars frauds and scientologists >without a scrap of evidence to support it. >Telling them to "go away" >I have a shrewd suspicion you saw red when you saw the name "antipsychiatry" > from Erics list of links. >That just happens to be the one that explicitly bars scientologists > contrary to the slanders and smears.

There’s an old Soviet trick called disinformation. Frankly though that sounds paranoid and I really don’t give a damn about _any_ propaganda site, pro or con. Psychiatry (or neurology, for Steve) saved my ass case closed. W.W.K.D. (What would Kirk do?) —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As eric indirectly points out, robert, its neurology which is the science >that >helped you function, not psychiatry. > Hey asshole, do you think you can spell our names with Capital letters? I know > Id appreciate if you would spell my name with a capital E and not a little e > Steve. I think Robert is the same I bet. Also, while its very true that mental > illness really should be absorbed into Neurology formally, currently this is > not the case and currently mental illness is treated by psychiatrists and GP > docs. So currently you must face reality Steve and deal with psychiatry. >  I do not in any way encourage you to >lose >what the drugs got for you.  I simply think that all things being equal, if >you >can. in the future, you should get off them.  Neither Bob nor I would like to >see >you back  in the hospital. (BTW, I am NOT authorized in any form to speak for >Bob.) > You are telling someone who is a manic depressive that they need to get off > their meds Steve?

Please reread the statement, lost boy.  Perhaps you might understand it in 10 or 12 attempts. > Do you have any idea how serious manic depression can get > Steve? Do you realize that manic depression is a genetic lifetime disease…you > never are truly "cured" of manic depression, you just manage it.

There are various theories about this, thank you for sharing your august theory, lost boy. > Therapy is > ineffective for manic depression Steve and medications are the core treatment > for manic depression. > Most manic depressives need to stay on a mood stabilizer for their entire life > Steve. It has a tendency to come back when they go off the drugs.

Wait wait wait, whats with that word, lost, lost boy? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The concern for people who take psych drugs long term is that there is damage >being done to you, to your mind and your body.  We have a lot of evidence >that >the drug firms just like ford, firestone, and many other large multi national >firms cover up evidence of flaws in their products, and in the aftermath of >Reagan the federal govt. has lost so much of their ability to exercise >oversight, >it is just not anything that gives me any reason to trust the drug firms. > Oh yeah Steve? Are you talking about the older drugs like Tricyclics, MAOIs and > typical anti-psychotics like Haldol and Thorazone? Or are you talking about the > modern class meds such as SSRIs, depakote, Topomax and atypical > anti-psychotics? Because the modern class meds are extremely safe and there is > no reason why a person cant remain on them safely longterm.

I am glad you trust the drug firms so much, lost boy.  I would suggest, eric that you read the PDR on depakote some time.  In North Carolina do they have bumper stickers which say Ignorant and proud of it?  I bet they would be big sellers! > I think what you are *really* doing Steve is merely stating your own personal > opinion about drugs…how you personally feel about the psych drugs. And guess > what Steve? Nobody on ASDM gives a flying fuck what you think.

Then why you continuing psychotic rages, eric?  Have you told your jewish female masters degree social worker of these feelings? >All that said once again, I hope your remission continues well, Robert. > Smart ass, patronizing attitude you have there Steve. Id like to see you talk > this way to people offline in real life.

Would you rather I displayed a lack of contact with reality and an inability to express a thought without the use of invective, lost boy? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > X-No-archive: yes > In North Carolina do they have bumper > stickers which say Ignorant and proud of it?  I bet they would be big > sellers! > No longer content to limit his insults to Eric, he moves on to the State > of North Carolina. > Maybe we can special-order one of those bumper stickers for you, Steve. > Or would you prefer a t-shirt? > Denise > "Bother," said Pooh as the brakes went out.

Whatever gifts you chose to bestow upon me, Des.  I guess you know best.

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