SSRIs

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Ummmm EXACTLY what are you saying? L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! >POT IS MUCH HARDER ON YOUR LUNGS!

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scuse me? LOL I did not say that.  You nasty you – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Apathy and amotivational syndrome is a symptom of the long term effects >topamax

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LMAO!(at my own joke)   I know. I did that on purpose. He he, I did it again under Vern’s post up top. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t even have any weed and very seldom do. But I am aware of propaganda campaigns and fear. Also, I hate cigarettes and can think of little else as disgusting. So all that played into this too. Kinda reminds me of back in the 5th grade when I first started trying to dispell snake myths. People believe all kinds of wierd shit. I hesitate to add marijuana to the health food category, but it also has fear-driven hype about it. Common sense tell you that smoking anything isn’t good. I just think cigarettes are worse. Mark

> Apathy and amotivational syndrome is a symptom of the long term effects of > pot use.  Just to point that you used the word > Thumper

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! > > POT IS MUCH HARDER ON YOUR LUNGS! > I have now shifted my position on this controversial issue. > , > , > , > Mark

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Apathy and amotivational syndrome is a symptom of the long term effects of pot use.  Just to point that you used the word Thumper – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! > POT IS MUCH HARDER ON YOUR LUNGS! > I have now shifted my position on this controversial issue. > , > , > , > Mark

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By the way, I don’t take any ‘moral’ stand on this issue whatsoever. In fact, it should be easy for you to see that I don’t consider this any other than a psychobiological issue.  No politics, no judgement, no nothing.  I have my opinoin and my stance, but I don’t care what you do other than I’d prefer that nobody ever in this group ever hurt themselves.  :-) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > >It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! > > POT IS MUCH HARDER ON YOUR LUNGS! > I have now shifted my position on this controversial issue. > , > , > , >    The refuge of scoundrels?  Mark, you are a Zagnut candy bar, >    and if belly laughs are therapy, you keep us well medicated. >    Vern > Mark

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> > Actually the facts are that the hundred or so cannabinoids in the plant > are > carcinogenic as hell–not added–but au-natural.  Just the facts. > I don’t trust the "facts" of bias clinicians trying to make the results fit > the > predetermined opinions. They have researched marijuana for 25 years trying > to "prove" what it does. I haven’t seen any definitive headlines yet, > because > they have proven absolutely nothing.

So you take newspaper headlines as gospel. LMAO.  By the way, clinicians are not the ones doing the research.  Basic researchers are. They don’t really give a shit what they find. They are looking. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->   UCSF is > working diligently to pull a few of them out that are not, and are doing a > hell > of a lot of work just to do that.  Next phase is purification.  Next phase > is to > see what they might be able to do.  Next phase is "can it kill > mice"—and/or > "what does it do to mice"…..etc etc etc… > One thing I know for sure. I can smoke a cigarette, get sick and puke. > I can smoke a joint, feel fine, no problems. I don’t need a scientist to > tell me > what makes me feel like puking.

Sure you don’t. You can DO whatever you want. I am not disputing that whatsoever. > BTW, it triggers the same exact areas in the brain as any addictive > substance. > Just like nicotine. > Cigarettes are chemically additive. The body goes through serious > withdrawal. > They were found to be more additive than cocaine.(barely) Marijuana is not > an additive substance within that context.

Not all addictive substances have similar withdrawl syndromes, either.  If you knew more about what addiction actually was, rather than using ‘its not addictive so let me do what i want i am acting of my own free will with no influence from my drug’, you would at least try to see where I’m coming from. > Yes people get emotionally hooked > on many things. The same areas of the brain are also stimulated by > chocolate.

Emotional areas of the brain are not what I was talking about. I am discussing the very primal areas of the brain that are involved in addiction pathways–the same involved in food/sex/ and other primal issues. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> If someone cannot control themselves to abstain from non-addictive > substances, > then they should examine their self-discipline for weakness, IMHO. > Markie Mark

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>It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! > POT IS MUCH HARDER ON YOUR LUNGS!

I have now shifted my position on this controversial issue. , , , Mark

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   The refuge of scoundrels?  Mark, you are a Zagnut candy bar,    and if belly laughs are therapy, you keep us well medicated.    Vern – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Mark

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > starry night> informed me of this: > :crack "ho’s" > :dressed as girlscouts? > You are a nutty as a fruitcake, but easier to swallow. You could tell > in a minute that they were crack ho’s by the black rings under their > eyes. Now Mark, come on, you know that this would not fool anyone. > Crack Ho’s…….of all the ideas…….if I had time I would show you > really. Go to the back of the plane or peanut please. > Crack Ho’s…..I swear > Hopper

Well there was this one girl selling cookies, and was being driven door-to- door in an old stretch cadillac. Her "father" was wearing a white fur coat and had a big feather in his yellow hat. When I told her I was short on cash, she stuck her palm in my face and said, "Tell it to the hand!" I just not sure of anything anymore. I  miss John Wayne. Mark

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I’m fine. I was just ticked off, just like any other human might be at something that pushes thier buttons….. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >   Ummmmmmm……. >      True!  But are you feeling ok,  Thumper? > people who say, like in another group > will ssris and Exstacy interact?….i’m worried about it. > fucking idiotic fucking asshole dopefuckhead.  no shit you should > worry about it.  you’re lucking you fucking havent croacked you you > stupid shit bastart moron who lays deep in the shit of denial and > wants reinforcement and assurance that fucking with his brain is OK as > long as it feels fun.  what a stupid drip. > oh but the clincher is the irresponsible bitch who posts something > like oh i think there is a amount of time that passes in which if you > take the ssri after the X you can prevent the crash blah blah blah and > something else similarly helpful,  missing the whole fucking point. I > think this person claims to be a clinician?  what a fucking idiotic > irresponsible ‘lay em down on the tracks’ moron. people who ask stupid > questions like ‘can i take xtacy and my psych meds’ are just looking > for excuses to keep doing what they know is not good for them, for > whatever reason—-and fucking bitch idiot bitches like that brainless > bitch help reinforce thier vacuous pimples for brains. > Thumper > ******* > Without projection there can be no anger, > but it is also true that without extension > there can be no love.   ACIM

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> Actually the facts are that the hundred or so cannabinoids in the plant are > carcinogenic as hell–not added–but au-natural.  Just the facts.

I don’t trust the "facts" of bias clinicians trying to make the results fit the predetermined opinions. They have researched marijuana for 25 years trying to "prove" what it does. I haven’t seen any definitive headlines yet, because they have proven absolutely nothing.   UCSF is > working diligently to pull a few of them out that are not, and are doing a hell > of a lot of work just to do that.  Next phase is purification.  Next phase is to > see what they might be able to do.  Next phase is "can it kill mice"—and/or > "what does it do to mice"…..etc etc etc…

One thing I know for sure. I can smoke a cigarette, get sick and puke. I can smoke a joint, feel fine, no problems. I don’t need a scientist to tell me what makes me feel like puking. > BTW, it triggers the same exact areas in the brain as any addictive substance. > Just like nicotine.

Cigarettes are chemically additive. The body goes through serious withdrawal. They were found to be more additive than cocaine.(barely) Marijuana is not an additive substance within that context. Yes people get emotionally hooked on many things. The same areas of the brain are also stimulated by chocolate. If someone cannot control themselves to abstain from non-addictive substances, then they should examine their self-discipline for weakness, IMHO. Markie Mark

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starry night> informed me of this: :crack "ho’s" :dressed as girlscouts? You are a nutty as a fruitcake, but easier to swallow. You could tell in a minute that they were crack ho’s by the black rings under their eyes. Now Mark, come on, you know that this would not fool anyone. Crack Ho’s…….of all the ideas…….if I had time I would show you really. Go to the back of the plane or peanut please. Crack Ho’s…..I swear Hopper

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  Ummmmmmm…….      True!  But are you feeling ok,  Thumper?

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> people who say, like in another group > will ssris and Exstacy interact?….i’m worried about it. > fucking idiotic fucking asshole dopefuckhead.  no shit you should > worry about it.  you’re lucking you fucking havent croacked you you > stupid shit bastart moron who lays deep in the shit of denial and > wants reinforcement and assurance that fucking with his brain is OK as > long as it feels fun.  what a stupid drip. > oh but the clincher is the irresponsible bitch who posts something > like oh i think there is a amount of time that passes in which if you > take the ssri after the X you can prevent the crash blah blah blah and > something else similarly helpful,  missing the whole fucking point. I > think this person claims to be a clinician?  what a fucking idiotic > irresponsible ‘lay em down on the tracks’ moron. people who ask stupid > questions like ‘can i take xtacy and my psych meds’ are just looking > for excuses to keep doing what they know is not good for them, for > whatever reason—-and fucking bitch idiot bitches like that brainless > bitch help reinforce thier vacuous pimples for brains. > Thumper > ******* > Without projection there can be no anger, > but it is also true that without extension > there can be no love.   ACIM

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> > I know what you mean. Expecially in the face of people like us who > are trying to make our legal meds work and have to constantly make > adjustments to them, just so we stay alive. Then some numbskulls are > trying to incorporate a designer drug into the mix, and asking you to take > time to help them do it.

> Yeah I guess legal meds are obviously morally superior. Is it just me…

It *is* just you. Don’t expect me to be your new arguing partner now that Karubin bores you. Your condescending statement has me thinking the word  "plonk". I will answer your inflammatory retort just this once. If it continues, you will be ignored permanently.    I don’t make "moral" judgements with medicine. This doesn’t have anything to do with morality. Illegal ones haven’t gone thru the testing process and scrutinization of the FDA and the AMA. Illegals ones have shown to cause death in the street. Illegal drugs mixed with prescribed ones create an unknown factor, and alter the recovery dynamics. Legal drugs have measured doses and application times and amounts.There is no information available to predict interactions. Lastly, if a person chooses to take illegal drugs, they shouldn’t expect my help. If you don’t know what a drug does to you, you shouldn’t take it. > everyone stubborn and close-minded to put it nicely.

I am neither stubborn or close minded, and you did not put it nicely. Just because you didn’t say fuck or shit doesn’t mean you weren’t rude. Mark

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I agree, this chick and and her incessant arguing with Karubin has gotten really old…she does have a very condescending tone about her, one that I don’t care to read. -judy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > I know what you mean. Expecially in the face of people like us who > > are trying to make our legal meds work and have to constantly make > > adjustments to them, just so we stay alive. Then some numbskulls are > > trying to incorporate a designer drug into the mix, and asking you to > take > > time to help them do it. > Yeah I guess legal meds are obviously morally superior. Is it just me… > It *is* just you. Don’t expect me to be your new arguing partner now that > Karubin bores you. Your condescending statement has me thinking the > word  "plonk". I will answer your inflammatory retort just this once. If > it continues, you will be ignored permanently. >    I don’t make "moral" judgements with medicine. This doesn’t have anything > to do with morality. Illegal ones haven’t gone thru the testing > process and scrutinization of the FDA and the AMA. Illegals ones have shown > to cause death in the street. Illegal drugs mixed with prescribed ones > create an unknown factor, and alter the recovery dynamics. Legal > drugs have measured doses and application times and amounts.There is no > information available to predict interactions. Lastly, if a person chooses > to take illegal drugs, they shouldn’t expect my help. If you don’t > know what a drug does to you, you shouldn’t take it. > everyone stubborn and close-minded to put it nicely. > I am neither stubborn or close minded, and you did not put it nicely. > Just because you didn’t say fuck or shit doesn’t mean you weren’t > rude. > Mark

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Unlike the good old days when pot was pot.   L – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not sure marijuana falls into this category.  Of course the real >problem is that you can’t be sure what you’re getting isn’t laced with >PCP or something.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Illegals ones have shown >to cause death in the street. > I’m not sure marijuana falls into this category.  Of course the real > problem is that you can’t be sure what you’re getting isn’t laced with > PCP or something. > Just my 2 cents. > No, I’m not a pothead, but I play one on TV. > — > Zaghadka

Zag, If you read my earlier post in this thread, you will see that I excluded Marijuana, and I explained why. Laced with PCP??  ROTFLMAO!  That catch-phrase continues to be repeated by grandmother’s and bible thumpers. Hell, people that sell weed just cut it down and sell it. They are too busy worrying about the law and making a profit to try and add something to it. And who in the hell can find Angel Dust anymore? (flashback to the 70’s) Get real. Don’t take "prerolled" from strangers. Look at what you buy, smell it, and you will be fine. Besides….. How do you know that your cornflakes aren’t genetically altered cattle grade corn? That is really happening. How do you know if your ground beef wasn’t dropped in a puddle of excrement on the butcher floor first? That happens too. How about expired eggs, recycled and pawned off as grade A fresh? Bottled water full of microbes? rat hair in hotdogs? roach particles in cereal? low octane gas sold as premium? crack "ho’s" dressed as girlscouts?(kidding) You get my drift. Thanks for your opinion Zag. I feel like I got my full 2 cents worth. Mark

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>Unlike the good old days when pot was pot. >L

It *still is* ! > It still slows you down over time, and it is MUCH harder on your lungs > then cigarettes..  Even though it does not kill you..

It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! Cigarettes have over a hundred carcenogens added to them. They are MUCH, MUCH worse! Please update your opinion to reflect the facts. Studies of Jamican culture have proven this. Also the government rumor that marijuana is 10 times more powerful than it used to be is pure unadulterated Bullshit. The buds are potent, the leaves are less so. In the old days, people weren’t aware and mixed up leaves, buds, and stems. Now days, anything less than pure buds is considered a bad deal. Some strains are better than others, but not enough to justify the obvious fear tactic of the d.e.a.  Are you aware that most people are motivated by fear, and not ambition? Fear is a biproduct of ignorance. I could go on for days, so I will give it a rest now. thanks, Mark

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> It *still is* ! > It still slows you down over time, and it is MUCH harder on your lungs > then cigarettes..  Even though it does not kill you.. > It is NOT much harder on you than cigarettes! Cigarettes have over a > hundred carcenogens added to them. They are MUCH, MUCH worse! > Please update your opinion to reflect the facts.

Actually the facts are that the hundred or so cannabinoids in the plant are carcinogenic as hell–not added–but au-natural.  Just the facts.  UCSF is working diligently to pull a few of them out that are not, and are doing a hell of a lot of work just to do that.  Next phase is purification.  Next phase is to see what they might be able to do.  Next phase is "can it kill mice"—and/or "what does it do to mice"…..etc etc etc…. BTW, it triggers the same exact areas in the brain as any addictive substance. Just like nicotine. Thumper

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I will have a response tonight when I am not at work…thank you for your very eloquently answered post. -judy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Okay, not to start a fight here, but many people ask about med > interactions > when taking pot into the system as well, and i haven’t seen either of you > (mark or thumper) jump them for that question, but when someone asks about > X, you have a completely different opinion?  Just wanting to know your > justification for this… > thanks, > -judy > That one’s easy Judy. Marijuana can’t kill you. You won’t overdose > on it. And after more than 20 years of smoking it, I have come to realize > how benign it is. I know for a fact exactly what healthy effects I can > depend on, those being, increased appetite, deep sleep, enormous > creativity, and a heightened psychic awareness. My antidepressant still > does what it is supposed to do in conjunction with marijuana. I don’t > nosedive into an unexpected crash. My neurotin still keeps me on the > even keel which I expect it to. There isn’t this *unknown* factor as to > what is going to happen to me, and since it obviously has been good for > me in the past, I  use it as needed. >      I don’t have to advocate it for others. All I know is that it works for > me, and that’s all that matters. So if I see someone else saying it is > beneficial to them, I’m certainly not going to object. I don’t consider it > a drug in the same sense that I consider cocaine, crank, ecstacy, and > heroin to be. People can abuse anything, and weed isn’t exempt. >    There are a lot of lies and hype spread by politico’s about marijuana, > and they use any opportunity to support their position. Yesterday a guy > was ordered to pay 5 thousand dollars in a court of law, because a girl > accidently took a tiny bite of a cookie with weed in it. The girl was fine > until someone told her. She then proceeded to have a full-scale panic > attack with vomiting and hyperventilation. She went to an emergency room, > had a cat-scan done, and needed  tranquilizers. The bite was > the size of a dime, and she would have felt nothing. >    See what the power of suggestion can do, when teamed up with > misinformation? >  On the other hand, the other drugs are known to be very, very dangerous, > and it isn’t just the opinion of bible-thumping busy-bodies. > People *have* died. People *are* addicted. Lives *are* being ruined. > The cost of illicit drugs on society is astronomical. >    The only thing bad I have found about marijuana is it’s illegality, and > it is just that problem which I seek to overturn. >   Thanks for asking the obvious Judy dear. > hugs, > Mark

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> Okay, not to start a fight here, but many people ask about med interactions > when taking pot into the system as well, and i haven’t seen either of you > (mark or thumper) jump them for that question, but when someone asks about > X, you have a completely different opinion?  Just wanting to know your > justification for this… > thanks, > -judy

That one’s easy Judy. Marijuana can’t kill you. You won’t overdose on it. And after more than 20 years of smoking it, I have come to realize how benign it is. I know for a fact exactly what healthy effects I can depend on, those being, increased appetite, deep sleep, enormous creativity, and a heightened psychic awareness. My antidepressant still does what it is supposed to do in conjunction with marijuana. I don’t nosedive into an unexpected crash. My neurotin still keeps me on the even keel which I expect it to. There isn’t this *unknown* factor as to what is going to happen to me, and since it obviously has been good for me in the past, I  use it as needed.      I don’t have to advocate it for others. All I know is that it works for me, and that’s all that matters. So if I see someone else saying it is beneficial to them, I’m certainly not going to object. I don’t consider it a drug in the same sense that I consider cocaine, crank, ecstacy, and heroin to be. People can abuse anything, and weed isn’t exempt.    There are a lot of lies and hype spread by politico’s about marijuana, and they use any opportunity to support their position. Yesterday a guy was ordered to pay 5 thousand dollars in a court of law, because a girl accidently took a tiny bite of a cookie with weed in it. The girl was fine until someone told her. She then proceeded to have a full-scale panic attack with vomiting and hyperventilation. She went to an emergency room, had a cat-scan done, and needed  tranquilizers. The bite was the size of a dime, and she would have felt nothing.    See what the power of suggestion can do, when teamed up with misinformation?  On the other hand, the other drugs are known to be very, very dangerous, and it isn’t just the opinion of bible-thumping busy-bodies. People *have* died. People *are* addicted. Lives *are* being ruined. The cost of illicit drugs on society is astronomical.    The only thing bad I have found about marijuana is it’s illegality, and it is just that problem which I seek to overturn.   Thanks for asking the obvious Judy dear. hugs, Mark

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Okay, not to start a fight here, but many people ask about med interactions when taking pot into the system as well, and i haven’t seen either of you (mark or thumper) jump them for that question, but when someone asks about X, you have a completely different opinion?  Just wanting to know your justification for this… thanks, -judy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know what you mean. Expecially in the face of people like us who > are trying to make our legal meds work and have to constantly make > adjustments to them, just so we stay alive. Then some numbskulls are > trying to incorporate a designer drug into the mix, and asking you to take > time to help them do it. >    You sound a little dysphoric Thumper. Maybe you should run yourself > a hot tub bath and soak a little this evening. That relaxes me. Anyway, > take care. > Mark > people who say, like in another group > will ssris and Exstacy interact?….i’m worried about it. > fucking idiotic fucking asshole dopefuckhead.  no shit you should > worry about it.  you’re lucking you fucking havent croacked you you > stupid shit bastart moron who lays deep in the shit of denial and > wants reinforcement and assurance that fucking with his brain is OK as > long as it feels fun.  what a stupid drip. > oh but the clincher is the irresponsible bitch who posts something > like oh i think there is a amount of time that passes in which if you > take the ssri after the X you can prevent the crash blah blah blah and > something else similarly helpful,  missing the whole fucking point. I > think this person claims to be a clinician?  what a fucking idiotic > irresponsible ‘lay em down on the tracks’ moron. people who ask stupid > questions like ‘can i take xtacy and my psych meds’ are just looking > for excuses to keep doing what they know is not good for them, for > whatever reason—-and fucking bitch idiot bitches like that brainless > bitch help reinforce thier vacuous pimples for brains. > Thumper > ******* > Without projection there can be no anger, > but it is also true that without extension > there can be no love.   ACIM

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Yeah I guess legal meds are obviously morally superior. Is it just me or is everyone stubborn and close-minded to put it nicely. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I know what you mean. Expecially in the face of people like us who > are trying to make our legal meds work and have to constantly make > adjustments to them, just so we stay alive. Then some numbskulls are > trying to incorporate a designer drug into the mix, and asking you to take > time to help them do it. >    You sound a little dysphoric Thumper. Maybe you should run yourself > a hot tub bath and soak a little this evening. That relaxes me. Anyway, > take care. > Mark > people who say, like in another group > will ssris and Exstacy interact?….i’m worried about it. > fucking idiotic fucking asshole dopefuckhead.  no shit you should > worry about it.  you’re lucking you fucking havent croacked you you > stupid shit bastart moron who lays deep in the shit of denial and > wants reinforcement and assurance that fucking with his brain is OK as > long as it feels fun.  what a stupid drip. > oh but the clincher is the irresponsible bitch who posts something > like oh i think there is a amount of time that passes in which if you > take the ssri after the X you can prevent the crash blah blah blah and > something else similarly helpful,  missing the whole fucking point. I > think this person claims to be a clinician?  what a fucking idiotic > irresponsible ‘lay em down on the tracks’ moron. people who ask stupid > questions like ‘can i take xtacy and my psych meds’ are just looking > for excuses to keep doing what they know is not good for them, for > whatever reason—-and fucking bitch idiot bitches like that brainless > bitch help reinforce thier vacuous pimples for brains. > Thumper > ******* > Without projection there can be no anger, > but it is also true that without extension > there can be no love.   ACIM

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:will ssris and Exstacy interact?….i’m worried about it. Mark is right..Chill if ya can. I feel better. Just got back from the job and nothing exploded. Doesn’t work right yet, but it’s a lot closer. I’m still on the clock too! Lucky me. I get to pay down some credit cards with the extra cash. Hope you fell better. I just went through a "angry" spell too. I think our periods are in sync now roomy.

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I know what you mean. Expecially in the face of people like us who are trying to make our legal meds work and have to constantly make adjustments to them, just so we stay alive. Then some numbskulls are trying to incorporate a designer drug into the mix, and asking you to take time to help them do it.    You sound a little dysphoric Thumper. Maybe you should run yourself a hot tub bath and soak a little this evening. That relaxes me. Anyway, take care. Mark

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> people who say, like in another group > will ssris and Exstacy interact?….i’m worried about it. > fucking idiotic fucking asshole dopefuckhead.  no shit you should > worry about it.  you’re lucking you fucking havent croacked you you > stupid shit bastart moron who lays deep in the shit of denial and > wants reinforcement and assurance that fucking with his brain is OK as > long as it feels fun.  what a stupid drip. > oh but the clincher is the irresponsible bitch who posts something > like oh i think there is a amount of time that passes in which if you > take the ssri after the X you can prevent the crash blah blah blah and > something else similarly helpful,  missing the whole fucking point. I > think this person claims to be a clinician?  what a fucking idiotic > irresponsible ‘lay em down on the tracks’ moron. people who ask stupid > questions like ‘can i take xtacy and my psych meds’ are just looking > for excuses to keep doing what they know is not good for them, for > whatever reason—-and fucking bitch idiot bitches like that brainless > bitch help reinforce thier vacuous pimples for brains. > Thumper > ******* > Without projection there can be no anger, > but it is also true that without extension > there can be no love.   ACIM

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