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if i had not been exposed to anti-psych in university , I would have disregarded it as conspiracy theory. when i went to a psych and described very serious social anxiety, he quickly suggested schiz and said i’d be hallucinating in a few years. I knew that i was not schiz because i had no weird thoughts or delusions. I knew it was shyness and lack of confidence. No matter how hard i tried to explain my family background and why i did not fit in socially, he just ignored me. He was not interested in my background at all. I was simply amazed by this. At one point, he said he could not force me to take treatment. I know if this had been the fifties I could have been lobotomized. There is no way psych have a right to force people to take these drugs because there is no evidence that they help. I am all for forcing jehovah witnesses to take blood transfusions or take insulin or whatever because these treatments work. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->anti-psychiatry is not scientology related. you have to disavow >scientology to be a member. anti-psychiatry is taught in university by >practicing psychiatrists. the research is bogus re the drugs. there is >no real evidence the drugs help. biological psychiatry is a joke as we >have no idea how the brain works and there is no evidence of a >chemical imbalance for any mental disorder. it is naive to think that >the brain is regulated by one chemical and somehow 60 per cent of the >population has this brain disease or chemical imbalance. psychiatry is >charletism. > Interesting how we can learn something new all the time. I was > unaware that there was such a thing as an official "anti > psychiatry" that is actually taught in the universities. Thanks > for the information. It was only recently that some articles > filled us in as to what a C/S/X er is. And even more recently > that we tried to figure out what the A of E (axis of evil) was. > And now, it is nice to know what "anti psychiatry" is. > It is a good idea. to have such as thing taught in the > Universities. I was beginning to think the Universities were > some sort of school from the dark ages, rather than something > that might be thought of as anything remotely resembling "higher > learning". When it came to mental health type of items. Whether > that be psychiatry, or whether it be MDs acting like they know > something, when they not only give away the psychotropic pills > to people who do not suspect that they do not know what they are > doing. > I can relate to what the editor of the web page wrote when he > said " It did not take long to see what was happening." . > Though the details were different, it did not take me very long > to see that there was something wrong with the system, and on > such a massive scale that it took the internet to help me see > that I was not alone in observing that. > In spite of that, I do not seem to as of yet be completely "anti > psychiatry". > More like someone that thinks the C/S/X ers are the ones that > are on the right track. And it took one heck of a lot of doing > for the Lioness etc, to help me see that even they are part of > the A of E , to the extent of being a part of the demand side of > the A of E pull . As compared to the drug companies, puppet > doctors, shrills, NAMI etc being part of the supply side of the A > of E.. Still thinking about that. > Here are a few things that I can come up with that might be > something "good" about psychiatry. Which might help at least > partially balance what I see as quite a bit of harm. Possibly > you or others could help see a way to explain how come my > perceptions of the "good part " of psychiatry might not be right > should they not be.. > Something good? > o Quite a few people in anxiety – panic gp really seem to like > the SSRIs. Almost as if the drugs might actually do something > good for some of them at least?. > o At least some people in the depression gp have spoken up for > the SSRIs over the last year or so?. > o It does seem like if someone does get into big difficulty, > o When it comes to bi polar or schizophrenia, there seem to be > quite a few people who speak up for psychiatry and / or the > drugs. It seems to me that many of the people with those > symptoms are actually better off because of the doctors rather > than harmed by the doctors? > —- > But some of the worst things: > The entire idea that people with those symptoms (bi polar or > schizophrenic) must be forced drugged per the forced drug law > pushing people (NAMI – TAC etc), seems to me to have the tragic > potential. Of making people take drugs that can keep them from > getting well.. > The forced drugging laws are propagandized to stir up mobs of > lawmakers to pass forced drugging laws against the mentally ill, > With their emphasis on one or two murders , or the lack of > insight, the so called must be incompetent if one does not want > drugs go way beyond even just bi polar or schizophrenic > symptom people. . But can extend to anything that some doctor > thinks might "needed ": or "deteriorate" if drugs are not > forced on them. Which for most doctors is almost anything and > everything.. > I have been impressed by some of the C/S/X posts such as the ones > from "s" or "gemini" etc. . Such as how in Countries without > mental health systems, people can recover from something as > serious as schizophrenic symptoms,. Even better than in > countries that have a mental health system. Or just the amazing > example of how someone that has been on the SSRIs plus other > pills etc for a decade. is finally able to get fully better > only by getting off the drugs . The drugs the doctors gave her > all that time without even thinking about it. > And of course the John Nash example is good. How he got himself > better without drugs in spite of the propaganda from those that > try to make it look like the so called "modern drugs" did it. > When he hasn’t even had a drug in over 30 years. . > Most likely they will not force drug the 10 s of millions some > might like. to see happen. > But even it were just a few of the people who are made sick by > the drugs, were forced to take them, that could have the > dimensions of an "atrocity" in my book. And it most likely > would not be just a few, but significant numbers. Especially if > one were to try to count the people who might be more easily > coerced into taking the pills they don’t want because of the > backing of the new laws. > And going beyond the horror of forced drugging, there is so much > emphasis on the drugs, that it can be difficult to get > alternative treatments. Especially from the hospitals. Even > though most will offer things like CBT, it can be difficult to > get that without having the drugs shoved down the throat as part > of it.. It is too bad a person can not get hospital help without > being locked up. And without being drugged so extensively as to > need to be locked up , just to keep from getting lost should > they be able to somehow manage to make it out. > So, it does seem that there is lots to be "anti psychiatry" > about. But I still have trouble going that far due to at least > some "good" which I also seem to be able to see. > Regardless of whether we might be anti psychiatry, or not anti > psychiatry, I can see a lot of good coming out of the web page > site referenced in this thread. Would like to see it continue > and expand. With or without the pills, information about > alternative treatments can be helpful. And with of without the > pills, information as to which doctors push drugs and which don’t > can be useful. But especially useful for C/S/.X ers that would > like to stay off the drugs if they can, but have trouble finding > a doctor that does not push the drugs. >> >What do u think of this website? >> Not sure what to make of it? Here are some of my "first >> impressions". May need to revise some of these impressions after >> more study.. >> The site has some valuable information that I have not seen >> anywhere else such as the list of doctors by the area of the >> country, and a description as to what their drug philosophy is. >> That is something a number of people need. And if the list could >> be added to, it could end up being terrific. >> One item to consider: > snip >> In addition to the list of doctors which I found interesting, I >> also found the letter from the editor interesting. And would >> like to quote some of the items in the letter from the editor. >> Which I seem to like quite a bit because it depicts some >> situations which hopefully do not happen too often, but do >> happen. And hopefully people could be made more aware of them. >> Be sure to see the entire page for the entire article. >> http://prozactruth.com/conclusion.htm >> " Prozac Truth Letter From the Editor " >> " Letter From the Editor >> " I am not a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. I >> am a researcher who began looking into an area that I felt was >> being abusive to children. It did not take long to see what was >> happening." >> " Do I have to be a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or Psychologist >> to come to correct conclusions regarding SSRI’s and their effects
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>anti-psychiatry is not scientology related. you have to disavow >scientology to be a member. anti-psychiatry is taught in university by >practicing psychiatrists. the research is bogus re the drugs. there is >no real evidence the drugs help. biological psychiatry is a joke as we >have no idea how the brain works and there is no evidence of a >chemical imbalance for any mental disorder. it is naive to think that >the brain is regulated by one chemical and somehow 60 per cent of the >population has this brain disease or chemical imbalance. psychiatry is >charletism.
Interesting how we can learn something new all the time. I was unaware that there was such a thing as an official "anti psychiatry" that is actually taught in the universities. Thanks for the information. It was only recently that some articles filled us in as to what a C/S/X er is. And even more recently that we tried to figure out what the A of E (axis of evil) was. And now, it is nice to know what "anti psychiatry" is. It is a good idea. to have such as thing taught in the Universities. I was beginning to think the Universities were some sort of school from the dark ages, rather than something that might be thought of as anything remotely resembling "higher learning". When it came to mental health type of items. Whether that be psychiatry, or whether it be MDs acting like they know something, when they not only give away the psychotropic pills to people who do not suspect that they do not know what they are doing. I can relate to what the editor of the web page wrote when he said " It did not take long to see what was happening." . Though the details were different, it did not take me very long to see that there was something wrong with the system, and on such a massive scale that it took the internet to help me see that I was not alone in observing that. In spite of that, I do not seem to as of yet be completely "anti psychiatry". More like someone that thinks the C/S/X ers are the ones that are on the right track. And it took one heck of a lot of doing for the Lioness etc, to help me see that even they are part of the A of E , to the extent of being a part of the demand side of the A of E pull . As compared to the drug companies, puppet doctors, shrills, NAMI etc being part of the supply side of the A of E.. Still thinking about that. Here are a few things that I can come up with that might be something "good" about psychiatry. Which might help at least partially balance what I see as quite a bit of harm. Possibly you or others could help see a way to explain how come my perceptions of the "good part " of psychiatry might not be right should they not be.. Something good? o Quite a few people in anxiety – panic gp really seem to like the SSRIs. Almost as if the drugs might actually do something good for some of them at least?. o At least some people in the depression gp have spoken up for the SSRIs over the last year or so?. o It does seem like if someone does get into big difficulty, o When it comes to bi polar or schizophrenia, there seem to be quite a few people who speak up for psychiatry and / or the drugs. It seems to me that many of the people with those symptoms are actually better off because of the doctors rather than harmed by the doctors? —- But some of the worst things: The entire idea that people with those symptoms (bi polar or schizophrenic) must be forced drugged per the forced drug law pushing people (NAMI – TAC etc), seems to me to have the tragic potential. Of making people take drugs that can keep them from getting well.. The forced drugging laws are propagandized to stir up mobs of lawmakers to pass forced drugging laws against the mentally ill, With their emphasis on one or two murders , or the lack of insight, the so called must be incompetent if one does not want drugs go way beyond even just bi polar or schizophrenic symptom people. . But can extend to anything that some doctor thinks might "needed ": or "deteriorate" if drugs are not forced on them. Which for most doctors is almost anything and everything.. I have been impressed by some of the C/S/X posts such as the ones from "s" or "gemini" etc. . Such as how in Countries without mental health systems, people can recover from something as serious as schizophrenic symptoms,. Even better than in countries that have a mental health system. Or just the amazing example of how someone that has been on the SSRIs plus other pills etc for a decade. is finally able to get fully better only by getting off the drugs . The drugs the doctors gave her all that time without even thinking about it. And of course the John Nash example is good. How he got himself better without drugs in spite of the propaganda from those that try to make it look like the so called "modern drugs" did it. When he hasn’t even had a drug in over 30 years. . Most likely they will not force drug the 10 s of millions some might like. to see happen. But even it were just a few of the people who are made sick by the drugs, were forced to take them, that could have the dimensions of an "atrocity" in my book. And it most likely would not be just a few, but significant numbers. Especially if one were to try to count the people who might be more easily coerced into taking the pills they don’t want because of the backing of the new laws. And going beyond the horror of forced drugging, there is so much emphasis on the drugs, that it can be difficult to get alternative treatments. Especially from the hospitals. Even though most will offer things like CBT, it can be difficult to get that without having the drugs shoved down the throat as part of it.. It is too bad a person can not get hospital help without being locked up. And without being drugged so extensively as to need to be locked up , just to keep from getting lost should they be able to somehow manage to make it out. So, it does seem that there is lots to be "anti psychiatry" about. But I still have trouble going that far due to at least some "good" which I also seem to be able to see. Regardless of whether we might be anti psychiatry, or not anti psychiatry, I can see a lot of good coming out of the web page site referenced in this thread. Would like to see it continue and expand. With or without the pills, information about alternative treatments can be helpful. And with of without the pills, information as to which doctors push drugs and which don’t can be useful. But especially useful for C/S/.X ers that would like to stay off the drugs if they can, but have trouble finding a doctor that does not push the drugs. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >What do u think of this website? > Not sure what to make of it? Here are some of my "first > impressions". May need to revise some of these impressions after > more study.. > The site has some valuable information that I have not seen > anywhere else such as the list of doctors by the area of the > country, and a description as to what their drug philosophy is. > That is something a number of people need. And if the list could > be added to, it could end up being terrific. > One item to consider:
snip – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In addition to the list of doctors which I found interesting, I > also found the letter from the editor interesting. And would > like to quote some of the items in the letter from the editor. > Which I seem to like quite a bit because it depicts some > situations which hopefully do not happen too often, but do > happen. And hopefully people could be made more aware of them. > Be sure to see the entire page for the entire article. > http://prozactruth.com/conclusion.htm > " Prozac Truth Letter From the Editor " > " Letter From the Editor > " I am not a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. I > am a researcher who began looking into an area that I felt was > being abusive to children. It did not take long to see what was > happening." > " Do I have to be a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or Psychologist > to come to correct conclusions regarding SSRI’s and their effects > on people and society? I do not think so."
snip Leaving this in because it is a great example. I noticed an article some months back about a person that wanted to know if they could get the nursing home to put Haldol into their relative, to keep him from not wanting to go to the nursing home in the first place. The answer to that post fortunately was not recommended.. Also we might recall just a couple months ago the 76 yr old lady who was in the hospital for physical things, but did not want to talk to the psychiatrist when they tried to get her examined. And got herself 10 mg of Haldol which put her into a coma. . As the forced laws go into effect, it could become more easy to pump Haldol into people, and just sort of put them into a semi coma, without even having to bother pushing them into the hospital – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> " The cases mentioned above are not rare. Actually, the abuse is > much greater. I was helping an individual get her father out of a > Psychiatric Hospital in 1999 and what I ran into was horrific." > " The man is about 80 years old and was living in a nursing home. > He complained for weeks that his skin was itching everywhere. The > nurses at the home thought he was insane. He was committed for a > 48 hour observation. He called his daughter right away asking for > help. The first evening at the Psychiatric Hospital he was given > Haldol. The
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anti-psychiatry is not scientology related. you have to disavow scientology to be a member. anti-psychiatry is taught in university by practicing psychiatrists. the research is bogus re the drugs. there is no real evidence the drugs help. biological psychiatry is a joke as we have no idea how the brain works and there is no evidence of a chemical imbalance for any mental disorder. it is naive to think that the brain is regulated by one chemical and somehow 60 per cent of the population has this brain disease or chemical imbalance. psychiatry is charletism. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->What do u think of this website? > Not sure what to make of it? Here are some of my "first > impressions". May need to revise some of these impressions after > more study.. > The site has some valuable information that I have not seen > anywhere else such as the list of doctors by the area of the > country, and a description as to what their drug philosophy is. > That is something a number of people need. And if the list could > be added to, it could end up being terrific. > One item to consider: > Although we have discussed many times how this or that might be a > "scientologist" etc, almost every time it is not. But rather a > propaganda attempt to try to divert attention from any article > that might not be favorable to drugs. Fortunately this tactic > has mostly disappeared over the last year. The impression I get > in reading this site is that it "might be" a scientologist site. > That comes from a combination of adding in religious type > messages and reference to a scientology site etc. Do not see any > problem with either, but it does raise the question and might > turn some people away from some good information. > Another item to consider: > The information on vitamins appears to be almost like an > advertisement etc. Should that be a major purpose of the site, > it would be good if that was owned up to up front. If it is not > one of the major purposes, then it could help if the vitamin page > were developed in a fashion as to provide useful and unbiased > information on that. Once there are "sales " involved, then > objectivity is not as well guaranteed. > In addition to the list of doctors which I found interesting, I > also found the letter from the editor interesting. And would > like to quote some of the items in the letter from the editor. > Which I seem to like quite a bit because it depicts some > situations which hopefully do not happen too often, but do > happen. And hopefully people could be made more aware of them. > Be sure to see the entire page for the entire article. > http://prozactruth.com/conclusion.htm > " Prozac Truth Letter From the Editor " > " Letter From the Editor > " I am not a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. I > am a researcher who began looking into an area that I felt was > being abusive to children. It did not take long to see what was > happening." > " Do I have to be a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or Psychologist > to come to correct conclusions regarding SSRI’s and their effects > on people and society? I do not think so." > snip > " This Web Site and the data that is included, is in no way > meant to belittle or imply that depression or other symptoms do > not exist. The treatment of symptoms is the issue. The same holds > true for Attention Deficit Disorder." > " These medications are being given to individuals > indiscriminately. Women are being prescribed Prozac (Sarafem) to > treat PMS without even being told it is Prozac. Parents are being > forced to allow their children to be medicated or the state will > put them in foster care. Who would think that in the United > States of America, we would be told "put your child on Ritalin or > we will take the child away from you." This is not only happening > in the poverty areas, it is happening more often in suburbia. " > Comment: > We have seen a few of these right here on the internet. It has > been pointed out a number of times that in addition to forcing > people to have their children drugged by threats of taking them > away, there are situations where the threat is made if the parent > does not take the drugs. About as strong a coercion as one might > find. > " The cases mentioned above are not rare. Actually, the abuse is > much greater. I was helping an individual get her father out of a > Psychiatric Hospital in 1999 and what I ran into was horrific." > " The man is about 80 years old and was living in a nursing home. > He complained for weeks that his skin was itching everywhere. The > nurses at the home thought he was insane. He was committed for a > 48 hour observation. He called his daughter right away asking for > help. The first evening at the Psychiatric Hospital he was given > Haldol. The next day I was talking to him on the telephone when > the nurse approached him and forced him to receive a shot of > Haldol once again. The man was not angry or resistive in any way. > He explained everything that was happening to him at that moment. > The Haldol took effect instantly. His speech began to slur and > this man was so insane he told me, "I am getting sleepy now. I > guess I will go lay down and take advantage of this and catch up > on my sleep." Does that sound like the response of an insane man > to you? " > " It took 4 people at the hearing to get him out of the > hospital. The Psychiatrist were still insisting he was a threat > to himself and to others. By the time the hearing was over, the > Psychiatrist gave up their fight and began backpedaling very > quickly. We did have to sign a statement that we would not file a > law suit against the hospital or the individual Psychiatrist in > order to get him out quickly." > " What was the final outcome? We had him see a competent > Medical Doctor and it was determined, he was allergic to the > carpet fibers in his bedroom. The nursing home had just changed > all of the carpeting a few days before his complaints started. > This died December 2001. I was able to see him live the few > remaining years in comfort, enjoying the things in life he had > cherished for many years. " > snip > Comment: > We should note that many people who do not even have mental > symptoms are going to end up in nursing homes sometimes before > they die. The ability of nursing homes to try to drug people is > a concern , especially as the forced drugging laws continue to > get passed. > In one set of laws that are being proposed, the nursing home has > standing to obtain outpatient forced drugging commitment. With > that kind of a law behind them, it would make it a lot easier for > them to Haldolize people, just by being able to make threats of > involuntary commitment if they do not take the drugs. The easier > it gets to force drug or commit (or both) people, the more > vigilance will be needed to watch out for the type of thing > mentioned here in the letter to the editor. > snip > " If drugs are not the answer, what is? Greater minds than mine > have been searching for these answers for thousands of years. " > " What has worked for some people?" > Religion > Meditation > Family > A change of diet > Their own self-determinism > Time > Natural Alternatives > snip > " What to believe? If we can be our own worst enemy then we > can also be our own best friend. Start believing in yourself. If > you are currently using psychiatric medication and you want to > quit, research and do more research. Write down what plan you > will use to get yourself off the medication. It will be up to you > to make this happen. " > snip > "Sincerely, > Jim Harper" > More comments: > I think it is a good thing to provided information about > alternatives etc. That type of information seems to get > suppressed , or at least not mentioned when seeing doctors etc. > Though the stance against the drugs is much more severe than my > own opinions might be, there should some value to a variety of > sites. > Some of which might be of the Dr Breggin variety . Which could > include not only the against drugs flavor as Dr Breggin provides > but also the alternative treatments which are provided here . > (Dr Brggin is not a scientolgist btw for any that might not > know). > And those that could favor alternatives treatments but are not > against the drugs as many of the sites are such as the > mindfreedom organization which mostly about being against forced > drugging. Dr Burns could fit this category since although he has > spent a lot of time developing self managed CBT etc in his books, > he also is quite willing to use drugs. > And there are sites which are at the far extreme which not only > favor the drugs, but want to get laws passed to try to cram them > down anyone that any doctors seems to think "needs" some drugs. > There should be room for all of the different type of sites on > the internet including this site. Even if it is much harder or > the drugs and the doctors than even some of the most I’m from > Missouri, or doubting Thomas that post to the net. > And I would like it quite a bit if the doctor’s list was > expanded. Be sure to keep the drug philosophy part. And would > be great if some sort of "pushiness" factor could be included so > that some who do not like pushy doctors could avoid them. I > doubt that all the pushy doctors will admit to that. So the > phrase might be more along the lines of whether or not the doctor > sees his/her role as an advisor, or as some sort of a try to make > the patient do
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What do u think of this website?
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has there ever actually been a death that was directly linked to one of the ADs mentioned on this site?
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> has there ever actually been a death that was directly linked to one of the > ADs mentioned on this site?
only murders and suicides.
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> What do u think of this website?
Something has happened to it – it is not the same anymore; — "Your manuscript is both good and original, but the part that is good is not original and the part that is original is not good." – Samuel Johnson
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>> has there ever actually been a death that was directly linked to one > of the ADs mentioned on this site? > only murders and suicides.
That could be attributed solely (or almost solely) to an AD?
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>What do u think of this website?
Not sure what to make of it? Here are some of my "first impressions". May need to revise some of these impressions after more study.. The site has some valuable information that I have not seen anywhere else such as the list of doctors by the area of the country, and a description as to what their drug philosophy is. That is something a number of people need. And if the list could be added to, it could end up being terrific. One item to consider: Although we have discussed many times how this or that might be a "scientologist" etc, almost every time it is not. But rather a propaganda attempt to try to divert attention from any article that might not be favorable to drugs. Fortunately this tactic has mostly disappeared over the last year. The impression I get in reading this site is that it "might be" a scientologist site. That comes from a combination of adding in religious type messages and reference to a scientology site etc. Do not see any problem with either, but it does raise the question and might turn some people away from some good information. Another item to consider: The information on vitamins appears to be almost like an advertisement etc. Should that be a major purpose of the site, it would be good if that was owned up to up front. If it is not one of the major purposes, then it could help if the vitamin page were developed in a fashion as to provide useful and unbiased information on that. Once there are "sales " involved, then objectivity is not as well guaranteed. In addition to the list of doctors which I found interesting, I also found the letter from the editor interesting. And would like to quote some of the items in the letter from the editor. Which I seem to like quite a bit because it depicts some situations which hopefully do not happen too often, but do happen. And hopefully people could be made more aware of them. Be sure to see the entire page for the entire article. http://prozactruth.com/conclusion.htm " Prozac Truth Letter From the Editor " " Letter From the Editor " I am not a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or a Psychologist. I am a researcher who began looking into an area that I felt was being abusive to children. It did not take long to see what was happening." " Do I have to be a Medical Doctor, Psychiatrist or Psychologist to come to correct conclusions regarding SSRI’s and their effects on people and society? I do not think so." snip " This Web Site and the data that is included, is in no way meant to belittle or imply that depression or other symptoms do not exist. The treatment of symptoms is the issue. The same holds true for Attention Deficit Disorder." " These medications are being given to individuals indiscriminately. Women are being prescribed Prozac (Sarafem) to treat PMS without even being told it is Prozac. Parents are being forced to allow their children to be medicated or the state will put them in foster care. Who would think that in the United States of America, we would be told "put your child on Ritalin or we will take the child away from you." This is not only happening in the poverty areas, it is happening more often in suburbia. " Comment: We have seen a few of these right here on the internet. It has been pointed out a number of times that in addition to forcing people to have their children drugged by threats of taking them away, there are situations where the threat is made if the parent does not take the drugs. About as strong a coercion as one might find. " The cases mentioned above are not rare. Actually, the abuse is much greater. I was helping an individual get her father out of a Psychiatric Hospital in 1999 and what I ran into was horrific." " The man is about 80 years old and was living in a nursing home. He complained for weeks that his skin was itching everywhere. The nurses at the home thought he was insane. He was committed for a 48 hour observation. He called his daughter right away asking for help. The first evening at the Psychiatric Hospital he was given Haldol. The next day I was talking to him on the telephone when the nurse approached him and forced him to receive a shot of Haldol once again. The man was not angry or resistive in any way. He explained everything that was happening to him at that moment. The Haldol took effect instantly. His speech began to slur and this man was so insane he told me, "I am getting sleepy now. I guess I will go lay down and take advantage of this and catch up on my sleep." Does that sound like the response of an insane man to you? " " It took 4 people at the hearing to get him out of the hospital. The Psychiatrist were still insisting he was a threat to himself and to others. By the time the hearing was over, the Psychiatrist gave up their fight and began backpedaling very quickly. We did have to sign a statement that we would not file a law suit against the hospital or the individual Psychiatrist in order to get him out quickly." " What was the final outcome? We had him see a competent Medical Doctor and it was determined, he was allergic to the carpet fibers in his bedroom. The nursing home had just changed all of the carpeting a few days before his complaints started. This died December 2001. I was able to see him live the few remaining years in comfort, enjoying the things in life he had cherished for many years. " snip Comment: We should note that many people who do not even have mental symptoms are going to end up in nursing homes sometimes before they die. The ability of nursing homes to try to drug people is a concern , especially as the forced drugging laws continue to get passed. In one set of laws that are being proposed, the nursing home has standing to obtain outpatient forced drugging commitment. With that kind of a law behind them, it would make it a lot easier for them to Haldolize people, just by being able to make threats of involuntary commitment if they do not take the drugs. The easier it gets to force drug or commit (or both) people, the more vigilance will be needed to watch out for the type of thing mentioned here in the letter to the editor. snip " If drugs are not the answer, what is? Greater minds than mine have been searching for these answers for thousands of years. " " What has worked for some people?" Religion Meditation Family A change of diet Their own self-determinism Time Natural Alternatives snip " What to believe? If we can be our own worst enemy then we can also be our own best friend. Start believing in yourself. If you are currently using psychiatric medication and you want to quit, research and do more research. Write down what plan you will use to get yourself off the medication. It will be up to you to make this happen. " snip "Sincerely, Jim Harper" More comments: I think it is a good thing to provided information about alternatives etc. That type of information seems to get suppressed , or at least not mentioned when seeing doctors etc. Though the stance against the drugs is much more severe than my own opinions might be, there should some value to a variety of sites. Some of which might be of the Dr Breggin variety . Which could include not only the against drugs flavor as Dr Breggin provides but also the alternative treatments which are provided here . (Dr Brggin is not a scientolgist btw for any that might not know). And those that could favor alternatives treatments but are not against the drugs as many of the sites are such as the mindfreedom organization which mostly about being against forced drugging. Dr Burns could fit this category since although he has spent a lot of time developing self managed CBT etc in his books, he also is quite willing to use drugs. And there are sites which are at the far extreme which not only favor the drugs, but want to get laws passed to try to cram them down anyone that any doctors seems to think "needs" some drugs. There should be room for all of the different type of sites on the internet including this site. Even if it is much harder or the drugs and the doctors than even some of the most I’m from Missouri, or doubting Thomas that post to the net. And I would like it quite a bit if the doctor’s list was expanded. Be sure to keep the drug philosophy part. And would be great if some sort of "pushiness" factor could be included so that some who do not like pushy doctors could avoid them. I doubt that all the pushy doctors will admit to that. So the phrase might be more along the lines of whether or not the doctor sees his/her role as an advisor, or as some sort of a try to make the patient do things type of doctor.. (Empowerment vs Slavery). The question about whether or not the doctor will help the person off of drugs is a good one and sort of takes care of this in part. It could help to clarify the status of a few things such as the vitamin advertisement. If this is all about advertising products along with some potentially useful information, it would be better to be up front about that. . If it is about useful information, with some advertisement etc, that too would be worth knowing about up front.,. And the scientology thing could use some clearing up. Whether or not just against drugs etc per bad experiences, or whether or not there is a scientology component to this. . On the one hand, facts should be facts, but on the other hand there is something about scientology that really turns people off. And thereby potentially deprive them of some of the good parts of the information.
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