Don't be such a bunch of suckers

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Thanks for your post, Rob, I’m manic without the depressive, myself but usually go with bipolar for ease of communication. Most folks have heard of bipolar. I salute (and envy a little)you for accepting your reality and becoming deciding to stick with your medicine at such an early age. I could have saved myself decades if I had become med compliant at your age. But then, 27 years ago, the medicinal choices were not what they are now. I also take Zyprexa and it is a godsend. I take less Depakote now and less medicine for my ocd with it Peas akaSteve (Lose the puppy to email) – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I don’t know how that username got there, but I just fixed it.. My name is >not "rocko" nor do I know a rocko. I probably set the name as a handle >during the most recent psychosis. >Rob > You sound like myself from not so far back. Fortunately, my opinion has > evolved after my 6th psychiatric hospitalization in the last 5 years. > I don’t know about you, but my problem every time is mania/psychosis >rather > than depression (which is a problem unto itself). What I do know is that > Zyprexa, an atypical antipsychotic, does in deed help restore my sanity >and > keep me there. That being the case, biological psychiatry does indeed >seem > to have a basis in (my) reality. > During my most recent episode, I lost my job due to fear of going to a new > office location (I feared they were going to literally hang me). At the > same time, I spent thousands of dollars on credit cards. I was playing >bad > music at maximum volume despite the cries of my parents to turn it down > (they went as far as breaking my door and I still continued). I, being >all > knowing, decided that I (even unemployed) was going to take over the cable > bill so I went and put the service in my name and added a service to the > bill (which, forunately, they were able to undo). Later, when the >ambulance > took me to the psych emergency room, I refused to sit in a chair (only on > the floor or on a desk). While there, I asked for water to drink, and >wound > up throwing the water onto a radio which was quietly playing music. They > had to tie me down and inject me with a substance which I was told was a >mix > of Benadryl with Haldol. > Now I wonder what the hell I was doing or thinking. I know that is not >me. > Or at least I hope that was not me. It was, but it wasn’t. > It’s my sincere hope that mental illness does exist because it’s the only > explanation I now have for the way I was behaving. It’s the only > explanation I have for why I’m so much in debt. It’s the only explanation >I > have for why I’m 27 years old and living in my parents house after twice > moving out since college. It’s the only explanation I have…. period. > -Rob > > The kind of "thinking" that goes on in these biopsychiatry posts is so > > overloaded with ignorance of neurochemistry, fallacies about what > > conclusions follow from what premises, groundless assertions, > > breathtaking leaps of illogic, wishful thinking, appeals to authority, > > and just flat-out horseshit that it’s hard to know where to even begin > > dismantling them. > > It’s just astounding that people believe this stuff. Scratch that — > > it’s astounding that people think this stuff even *means* anything. > > Cortisol levels? Oxidative stress? Neurotransmitters? Huh? Do these > > people just believe whatever they’re told? > > Christ. Basing your life around a cesspool of fantasy being passed off > > as "science" is really not the best approach to living. > > Here’s the truth: no one has any idea how the brain works. No one has > > any idea how psychotropic drugs work. There are no "mental illnesses." > > Talking about "serotonin levels" as if you could put a dipstick in your > > brain and measure them is laughable. Don’t be such a bunch of suckers. > > The relationship between consciousness and neurochemistry probably won’t > > be unraveled with another thousand years of research. > > Just for starters (assuming anyone is willing to think): When SSRIs >were > > new, we were supposed to believe that they corrected the specific > > "chemical imbalance" that "caused" depression. They were "selective." > > Leaving aside the fact that (1) pharmacodynamic selectivity was > > deliberately conflated with selectivity for mood states for marketing > > purposes, (2) the causality between neurochemistry and consciousness > > isn’t even *slightly* understood, and (3) the phrase "chemical >imbalance" > > doesn’t actually mean anything, we are now supposed to believe that >these > > drugs also "cure" "generalized anxiety disorder," "post-traumatic stress > > disorder," "obsessive-compulsive disorder," "social anxiety disorder," >an > > d even fucking PMS for god’s sake. Wow. That sounds *really* > > "selective." What are the odds that the same "chemical imbalance" is > > responsible for virtually every feeling that someone doesn’t like? > > How does "zero" sound? > > Stop being such a bunch of idiots being led around by the nose. Smart > > people buy drug company stock. Dumb people buy drug company products. > > This is because there are always more dumb people than smart people. > > — > > ETF

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Yes indeed! The original poster is way off base. I was severely depressed as a teenager and went through talk therapy with no improvement. My first year in college I finally saw a psychiatrist who prescribed Prozac. It was the difference between night and day. This leads me to believe that there is some type of biochemical component to mental illness and I do not feel that I am being led around by the nose. If the medication had not worked that would be a different story.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You sound like myself from not so far back. Fortunately, my opinion has > evolved after my 6th psychiatric hospitalization in the last 5 years. > I don’t know about you, but my problem every time is mania/psychosis rather > than depression (which is a problem unto itself). What I do know is that > Zyprexa, an atypical antipsychotic, does in deed help restore my sanity and > keep me there. That being the case, biological psychiatry does indeed seem > to have a basis in (my) reality. > During my most recent episode, I lost my job due to fear of going to a new > office location (I feared they were going to literally hang me). At the > same time, I spent thousands of dollars on credit cards. I was playing bad > music at maximum volume despite the cries of my parents to turn it down > (they went as far as breaking my door and I still continued). I, being all > knowing, decided that I (even unemployed) was going to take over the cable > bill so I went and put the service in my name and added a service to the > bill (which, forunately, they were able to undo). Later, when the ambulance > took me to the psych emergency room, I refused to sit in a chair (only on > the floor or on a desk). While there, I asked for water to drink, and wound > up throwing the water onto a radio which was quietly playing music. They > had to tie me down and inject me with a substance which I was told was a mix > of Benadryl with Haldol. > Now I wonder what the hell I was doing or thinking. I know that is not me. > Or at least I hope that was not me. It was, but it wasn’t. > It’s my sincere hope that mental illness does exist because it’s the only > explanation I now have for the way I was behaving. It’s the only > explanation I have for why I’m so much in debt. It’s the only explanation I > have for why I’m 27 years old and living in my parents house after twice > moving out since college. It’s the only explanation I have…. period. > -Rob > The kind of "thinking" that goes on in these biopsychiatry posts is so > overloaded with ignorance of neurochemistry, fallacies about what > conclusions follow from what premises, groundless assertions, > breathtaking leaps of illogic, wishful thinking, appeals to authority, > and just flat-out horseshit that it’s hard to know where to even begin > dismantling them. > It’s just astounding that people believe this stuff. Scratch that — > it’s astounding that people think this stuff even *means* anything. > Cortisol levels? Oxidative stress? Neurotransmitters? Huh? Do these > people just believe whatever they’re told? > Christ. Basing your life around a cesspool of fantasy being passed off > as "science" is really not the best approach to living. > Here’s the truth: no one has any idea how the brain works. No one has > any idea how psychotropic drugs work. There are no "mental illnesses." > Talking about "serotonin levels" as if you could put a dipstick in your > brain and measure them is laughable. Don’t be such a bunch of suckers. > The relationship between consciousness and neurochemistry probably won’t > be unraveled with another thousand years of research. > Just for starters (assuming anyone is willing to think): When SSRIs were > new, we were supposed to believe that they corrected the specific > "chemical imbalance" that "caused" depression. They were "selective." > Leaving aside the fact that (1) pharmacodynamic selectivity was > deliberately conflated with selectivity for mood states for marketing > purposes, (2) the causality between neurochemistry and consciousness > isn’t even *slightly* understood, and (3) the phrase "chemical imbalance" > doesn’t actually mean anything, we are now supposed to believe that these > drugs also "cure" "generalized anxiety disorder," "post-traumatic stress > disorder," "obsessive-compulsive disorder," "social anxiety disorder," an > d even fucking PMS for god’s sake. Wow. That sounds *really* > "selective." What are the odds that the same "chemical imbalance" is > responsible for virtually every feeling that someone doesn’t like? > How does "zero" sound? > Stop being such a bunch of idiots being led around by the nose. Smart > people buy drug company stock. Dumb people buy drug company products. > This is because there are always more dumb people than smart people. > — > ETF

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hi Rob… mental illness is REAL, no need to doubt that. It’s a bitch/bastard having this illness. You do wind up questioning your sanity *grin* when you are having rough spots and even when you aren’t. Did something set off your most recent visit to the hospital? Don’t come down on yourself. Stick to whatever med/diet/etc. that helps you. I try to go with the thinking that if diabetic folks can take insulin, we can take what we need to stay healthy. I don’t think we should spend too much time determining whether or not a psychiatric diagnosis is valid – the person you replied to initially (ETF) was way off base. regards, Compucat >^+^<

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I don’t know how that username got there, but I just fixed it.. My name is not "rocko" nor do I know a rocko. I probably set the name as a handle during the most recent psychosis. Rob

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You sound like myself from not so far back. Fortunately, my opinion has evolved after my 6th psychiatric hospitalization in the last 5 years. I don’t know about you, but my problem every time is mania/psychosis rather than depression (which is a problem unto itself). What I do know is that Zyprexa, an atypical antipsychotic, does in deed help restore my sanity and keep me there. That being the case, biological psychiatry does indeed seem to have a basis in (my) reality. During my most recent episode, I lost my job due to fear of going to a new office location (I feared they were going to literally hang me). At the same time, I spent thousands of dollars on credit cards. I was playing bad music at maximum volume despite the cries of my parents to turn it down (they went as far as breaking my door and I still continued). I, being all knowing, decided that I (even unemployed) was going to take over the cable bill so I went and put the service in my name and added a service to the bill (which, forunately, they were able to undo). Later, when the ambulance took me to the psych emergency room, I refused to sit in a chair (only on the floor or on a desk). While there, I asked for water to drink, and wound up throwing the water onto a radio which was quietly playing music. They had to tie me down and inject me with a substance which I was told was a mix of Benadryl with Haldol. Now I wonder what the hell I was doing or thinking. I know that is not me. Or at least I hope that was not me. It was, but it wasn’t. It’s my sincere hope that mental illness does exist because it’s the only explanation I now have for the way I was behaving. It’s the only explanation I have for why I’m so much in debt. It’s the only explanation I have for why I’m 27 years old and living in my parents house after twice moving out since college. It’s the only explanation I have…. period. -Rob

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The kind of "thinking" that goes on in these biopsychiatry posts is so > overloaded with ignorance of neurochemistry, fallacies about what > conclusions follow from what premises, groundless assertions, > breathtaking leaps of illogic, wishful thinking, appeals to authority, > and just flat-out horseshit that it’s hard to know where to even begin > dismantling them. > It’s just astounding that people believe this stuff. Scratch that — > it’s astounding that people think this stuff even *means* anything. > Cortisol levels? Oxidative stress? Neurotransmitters? Huh? Do these > people just believe whatever they’re told? > Christ. Basing your life around a cesspool of fantasy being passed off > as "science" is really not the best approach to living. > Here’s the truth: no one has any idea how the brain works. No one has > any idea how psychotropic drugs work. There are no "mental illnesses." > Talking about "serotonin levels" as if you could put a dipstick in your > brain and measure them is laughable. Don’t be such a bunch of suckers. > The relationship between consciousness and neurochemistry probably won’t > be unraveled with another thousand years of research. > Just for starters (assuming anyone is willing to think): When SSRIs were > new, we were supposed to believe that they corrected the specific > "chemical imbalance" that "caused" depression. They were "selective." > Leaving aside the fact that (1) pharmacodynamic selectivity was > deliberately conflated with selectivity for mood states for marketing > purposes, (2) the causality between neurochemistry and consciousness > isn’t even *slightly* understood, and (3) the phrase "chemical imbalance" > doesn’t actually mean anything, we are now supposed to believe that these > drugs also "cure" "generalized anxiety disorder," "post-traumatic stress > disorder," "obsessive-compulsive disorder," "social anxiety disorder," an > d even fucking PMS for god’s sake. Wow. That sounds *really* > "selective." What are the odds that the same "chemical imbalance" is > responsible for virtually every feeling that someone doesn’t like? > How does "zero" sound? > Stop being such a bunch of idiots being led around by the nose. Smart > people buy drug company stock. Dumb people buy drug company products. > This is because there are always more dumb people than smart people. > — > ETF

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