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Huh?? In case you haven’t noticed yet, I write what I want — *when* I want — got it? If you don’t like it, go sip tea with the intemperate crowd. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Thanks for the response Vman. >Ummm could you not do that again? (if you don’t know what this is, >remember Kaji’s intercourse with me on it, or write to me privately.) >Thumper
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> Huh?? In case you haven’t noticed yet, I write what I want — *when* I want — > got it? > If you don’t like it, go sip tea with the intemperate crowd.
First, yes I noticed. I am not a blind moron, although you suddenly treat me as one for simply making a request of you. I’m sorry if that is asking too much. If you prefer to not engage me further, just let me know. I beleive I explained this to you privately. I think respecting ppl’s privacy ( even though there is no such entirely private online experience) is not a big thing to ask–and I was simply asking. It was a request, a sincere and polite one. You don’t have to cop attitude. There is no reason to blast me. Thumper
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A diagnostic interview using an OCD scale (usually the Y-BOCS–Yale-Brown Obsessive Compulsive Scale, developed by Wayne Goodman, M.D. et al when he was at Yale) is required to make the diagnosis. Your friend is describing OCD symptomatology, but you have to be somewhat obsessive to make it in today’s society. =) Whether or not he meets DSM-IV criteria for the disorder, or can benefit from treatment (usually SSRIs and/or behavioral therapy) is another matter, and depends on how much the symptoms interfere with the quality of his life. As far as the "delusion," it’s a non sequitor to say that you can reason your way out of a delusion. If you have a compulsion, then it can be resisted, but what Tracy was describing is called an "overvalued idea" (less than delusional intensity). – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Good question/analysis Trace. I think it would depend on how emotionally > compelling the delusion is. That is, one might retain the ability to >reason > one’s way out of the particular belief yet still be overwhelmed by it > emotionally &, therefore, feel compelled to act "as if" it is true. > But that can & is true with obsessive thoughts and the anxiety relieving > compulsions which accompany them. OCD & BPD are often co-morbid, to the >best > of my knowledge. > If that makes any sense…… > — > Deep >I’m not sure what constitutes OCD. A few examples. Do these qualify? >Playing a video game for hours every day, even when you are ignoring >important things in your life? >Keeping Windex and paper towels in your car and pulling over whenever a bug >went splat? >Wearing a watch, and not being able to function if you leave it at home? >Checking the time standard every day to see if you watch was right…to the >nearest second? >A friend asked me to check on this. <grin>
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Thanks for the response Vman. Ummm could you not do that again? (if you don’t know what this is, remember Kaji’s intercourse with me on it, or write to me privately.) Thumper
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> A diagnostic interview using an OCD scale (usually the Y-BOCS–Yale-Brown > Obsessive Compulsive Scale, developed by Wayne Goodman, M.D. et al when he was > at Yale) is required to make the diagnosis. Your friend is describing OCD > symptomatology, but you have to be somewhat obsessive to make it in today’s > society. =) Whether or not he meets DSM-IV criteria for the disorder, or can > benefit from treatment (usually SSRIs and/or behavioral therapy) is another > matter, and depends on how much the symptoms interfere with the quality of his > life.
Thinking on this, I would then have to say that I was not a bipolar until late last year, because I didn’t have symptoms severe enough to interfere with the quality of my life. I had disjointed thoughts then and became a non-contributing member of my family. Then again, I can remember having symptoms back when I was 14 and couldn’t sleep at night, couldn’t get to school on time, mind wandering on flights of fancy. All traits of a bipolar. All of the symptoms I have now, I had then, just not as severe. I just not sure how to define "quality of life" accurately. That one point seems to weight more heavily in diagnosis than others. Do you agree? > As far as the "delusion," it’s a non sequitor to say that you can reason your > way out of a delusion. If you have a compulsion, then it can be resisted, but > what she was describing is called an "overvalued idea" (less than delusional > intensity).
Overvalued idea….this has precision. I just can’t see that it’s not a delusion, just a lesser one. Is there an "official" definition of this or is this your understanding after reading much on the subject. No sarcasm. It just doesn’t seem logical. I need to think and read on this myself. Some words in the DSM-IV criteria are feel imprecise. Exact definitions may change my evaluation of BPI and BPII. I think of delusion as "wrong thinking" as in "You must be deluded to think that." I need a better definition. I think that all these disorders have an arbitrary cut off point where someone symptomatic crosses the line into qualifying as being disordered. Wow, I’m having to rewrite my mental dictionary. Muddy waters. I hate it when it does that!
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OCD is obsessive-compulsive disorder.
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>I hate these anachronisms! I give up what is OCD?
I think Obsessive Compulsive Disorder Web Page at: http://www.robertpo.com
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> Good question/analysis Trace. I think it would depend on how emotionally > compelling the delusion is. That is, one might retain the ability to reason > one’s way out of the particular belief yet still be overwhelmed by it > emotionally &, therefore, feel compelled to act "as if" it is true. > But that can & is true with obsessive thoughts and the anxiety relieving > compulsions which accompany them. OCD & BPD are often co-morbid, to the best > of my knowledge. > If that makes any sense…… > — > Deep
I’m not sure what constitutes OCD. A few examples. Do these qualify? Playing a video game for hours every day, even when you are ignoring important things in your life? Keeping Windex and paper towels in your car and pulling over whenever a bug went splat? Wearing a watch, and not being able to function if you leave it at home? Checking the time standard every day to see if you watch was right…to the nearest second? A friend asked me to check on this. <grin>
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I hate these anachronisms! I give up what is OCD?
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Another thing I was thinking of…. > Is a delusion a delusion if you recognize that the contents of the > delusion are not logically possible? If a scenario such as that is > NOT delusion would it be more of a OCD issue? > Thumper > Thumper > ThumpThumpThump
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Good question/analysis Trace. I think it would depend on how emotionally compelling the delusion is. That is, one might retain the ability to reason one’s way out of the particular belief yet still be overwhelmed by it emotionally &, therefore, feel compelled to act "as if" it is true. But that can & is true with obsessive thoughts and the anxiety relieving compulsions which accompany them. OCD & BPD are often co-morbid, to the best of my knowledge. If that makes any sense…… — Deep
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Another thing I was thinking of…. > Is a delusion a delusion if you recognize that the contents of the > delusion are not logically possible? If a scenario such as that is > NOT delusion would it be more of a OCD issue? > Thumper > Thumper > ThumpThumpThump
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