Benzos aint no good

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I’ve been on up to 6-10mg of xanax a day for over 10yrs.Now I’ve had 1-1.5mg klonopin added to try to wean me off the xanax.Believe me,you can work up a tollerance Very quickly.Good Idea to get off while you still can.Save them for when you really need them.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well Ive been taking .5 mg klonopin twice a day for the past couple weeks and I > gotta tell ya, Im sedated beyond belief. Its kinda fun, kinda like being mildly > drunk all the time or something.I dont give a fuck about anything while on the > klonopin, Im like "weeeeeeeee Im peter fucking pan." But its no way to live my > life longterm. Today I had a mild mishap in town which was rooted in my > "buzzed" mental condition. It wasnt anything that bad, but I thing benzos are > just not a way to live one’s life. I like my clean driving record thank you and > would like to keep it that way. So tonight Im going to take my last one and > thats gonna be it. > Benzos like Klonopin or Ativan are fine if you can afford the luxury to stay > home 24/7 and never drive anywhere, never work out or exercise and just > basically be a recluse. Some severe anxiety patients are like that too. But > thats not me, I like to drive and I like to exercise. Its hard to do the above > things while being "stoned" on Klonopin everyday. > BTW, this applies to opiates as well. Opiates might be great for anxiety and > making you not worry, but the problem with them is when you are on them you are > basically good for nothing other than sitting around. Driving, working, working > out at the gym, whatever is pretty much out of the question while on any kind > of opiates. (Elizabeth…are you listening?). > So I will go back to my usual regimen of SSRIs, for they are not only good at > fighting depression and anxiety but they dont oversedate you so that you cant > drive or work out. > Eric > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > FIDO…Fuck It Drive On

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seuraavasti: >Well Ive been taking .5 mg klonopin twice a day for the past couple weeks and I >gotta tell ya, Im sedated beyond belief. Its kinda fun, kinda like being mildly >drunk all the time or something.I dont give a fuck about anything while on the >klonopin, Im like "weeeeeeeee Im peter fucking pan." But its no way to live my >life longterm. Today I had a mild mishap in town which was rooted in my >"buzzed" mental condition. It wasnt anything that bad, but I thing benzos are >just not a way to live one’s life. I like my clean driving record thank you and >would like to keep it that way. So tonight Im going to take my last one and >thats gonna be it.

I’ve heard that benzo withdrawal can be worse than that of heroin.

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Clonazepam has thwarted probably full-blown depression _countless_ times for me; I am SO glad it’s around. JM

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JM, For how long a period and at what dosages did you take Clonazepam? Was there any link to being able to sleep at night that helped to thwart full blown depression? Much thanks, -Fredcat 1mg Clonazepam each night

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Clonazepam has thwarted probably full-blown depression _countless_ times for > me; I am SO glad it’s around. > JM

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Fred, I take Klonopin prn–as needed–which, lately, is usually is 1.5mg per month. For example, last Sunday I started to get this vague yet powerful anxiety, the type that precedes my depressions; the type of anxiety that asks "does anything really matter?" A kind of existential crisis anxiety. And 1mg of clonazepam gave me the XXX to combat those feelings with more…positive ones. Hope that helps. J

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> JM, > For how long a period and at what dosages did you take Clonazepam? > Was there any link to being able to sleep at night that helped to thwart > full blown depression? > Much thanks, > -Fredcat 1mg Clonazepam each night > Clonazepam has thwarted probably full-blown depression _countless_ times > for > me; I am SO glad it’s around. > JM

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seuraavasti: >I’ve heard that benzo withdrawal can be worse than that of heroin. ><shaking head in wonderment and disbelief> >WHERE did you hear that from Eki? I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt benzo withdrawal >is worse than heroin withdrawal. Heroin withdrawal kills people sometimes.

A young woman who’s been using for years what’s here called Oxepam told that on a TV program whose theme was benzo addiction. Perhaps she rather meant addiction than withdrawal,though. My mistake.

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> WHERE did you hear that from Eki? I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt benzo withdrawal > is worse than heroin withdrawal. Heroin withdrawal kills people sometimes.

As I understand it, the two aren’t dissimlar, but people tend to look at it the wrong way around: apparently the evils of heroin withdrawn are usually seriously overstated. Chris. — //USENET01 JOB (CBH,ISA),’TALKING BOLLOCKS’,REGION=4000K,CLASS=F, // MSGCLASS=A,PASSWORD=WIBBLE,USER=CBH,COND=(04,LT)

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I used to take Klonopin 2 mg two or three a day, along with other meds that I can’t remember about 7 years ago when I was 17 y/o. When I got off all the shit I was on, like 3 or 4 meds, all at once, I was sick as hell for 6 weeks. I threw up for 6 weeks straight, couldn’t eat, walk, depressed, I went to the hospital twice. Not only that, I was staying in Florida with my dad and it all started on the plane ride down, an absolute hell. As soon as I got off the plane, I threw up under a palm tree outside the airport. For 6 weeks living 1,500 miles from my home, and homesick too. Getting off benzos sucks big time, worse than SSRIs. I actually thought I wasn’t going to live. I was so fucking stupid for stopping all those meds like that. Never really liked benzos that much, though Klonopin was my favorite one. Phil

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Clonazepam is wonderful when I am severely depressed or extremely irritable, often the only thing that can mellow me out enough to keep functioning. At one time I was taking very high doses, like 10mg/day, because I wasn’t on enough mood stabilizers. But I didn’t have any trouble coming off, I just had to do it very, very slowly. Fortunately I had a doctor who let me do it at my own pace, he didn’t try to rush me or get me to stick to a schedule. I now take it PRN. Emily – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Clonazepam has thwarted probably full-blown depression _countless_ times for >me; I am SO glad it’s around. >JM > Well Ive been taking .5 mg klonopin twice a day for the past couple weeks >and I > gotta tell ya, Im sedated beyond belief. Its kinda fun, kinda like being >mildly > drunk all the time or something.I dont give a fuck about anything while on >the > klonopin, Im like "weeeeeeeee Im peter fucking pan." But its no way to >live my > life longterm. Today I had a mild mishap in town which was rooted in my > "buzzed" mental condition. It wasnt anything that bad, but I thing benzos >are > just not a way to live one’s life. I like my clean driving record thank >you and > would like to keep it that way. So tonight Im going to take my last one >and > thats gonna be it. > Benzos like Klonopin or Ativan are fine if you can afford the luxury to >stay > home 24/7 and never drive anywhere, never work out or exercise and just > basically be a recluse. Some severe anxiety patients are like that too. >But > thats not me, I like to drive and I like to exercise. Its hard to do the >above > things while being "stoned" on Klonopin everyday. > BTW, this applies to opiates as well. Opiates might be great for anxiety >and > making you not worry, but the problem with them is when you are on them >you are > basically good for nothing other than sitting around. Driving, working, >working > out at the gym, whatever is pretty much out of the question while on any >kind > of opiates. (Elizabeth…are you listening?). > So I will go back to my usual regimen of SSRIs, for they are not only good >at > fighting depression and anxiety but they dont oversedate you so that you >cant > drive or work out. > Eric > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > FIDO…Fuck It Drive On

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> >though Klonopin was my favorite one. > it was your favorite cause klonopin gives ya a buzzzzzzzzz > Eric

Klonopin caused me to total my car, among other things! lol VanMan

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Clonazepam is unique among benzos in terms of its implication in depression. I mean the others can exacerbate depression if used incorrectly–or if one tries to quit long-term use cold-turkey. But clonazepam has–at least anecdotally–been shown to _cause_ depression in some people. I wouldn’t make the leap that all benzos do this, however.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Well Ive been taking .5 mg klonopin twice a day for the past couple weeks and I > As a postscript to this message, Ive found out something I already > knew about myself. Benzos make me more depressed when I take them > regularly. Been taking half mg of Klonopin twice a day for about three > weeks now. Sedated is the word. Lately Ive been noticing after I take > the klonopin it doesnt relieve my anxiety as much, but it does drop my > mood, just like drinking booze drops it. This is the same thing Xanax > used to do to me three years ago after Id been taking it a few months > and wasnt on an antidepressant. > Benzos definitely worsen depression. This last benzo experimentation > confirms my beliefs about benzos. That they should only be used for > short term, acute management of anxiety and basically all they do is > bring you down down down, sedate you and act like CNS depressants. > Benzos taken longterm regular affects me a lot like booze affects me > now. Bad for depression. Benzos make me feel sappy feeling, like a > pussy. > Eric

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> <shaking head in wonderment and disbelief> > WHERE did you hear that from Eki? I seriously SERIOUSLY > doubt benzo withdrawal is worse than heroin withdrawal. Heroin > withdrawal kills people sometimes. Eric, You’ve got that exactly backwards. Heroin withdrawal almost never kills anyone, except in the rare case where the person was incredibly debilitated and had a tenuous grasp on life *before* going into withdrawal. Benzos, OTOH, can easily cause fatal seizures in *anyone* in withdrawal. As for which withdrawal is worse: ask any addict who’s been through both of them. Withdrawal from high-dose benzos is *far* worse than withdrawal from heroin. Heroin withdrawal is very unpleasant, but it’s mostly like being very, very sick, and it only lasts for a week or so. High-dose benzo withdrawal, OTOH, is like having a high-voltage cable plugged into your spinal cord, sweat pouring down your face like Niagara Falls, and going psychotic at the same time … plus it lasts for many weeks or even months. — ETF Sublimity depends upon unintelligibility.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’ve heard that benzo withdrawal can be worse than that of heroin. > <shaking head in wonderment and disbelief> > WHERE did you hear that from Eki? I seriously SERIOUSLY doubt benzo withdrawal > is worse than heroin withdrawal. Heroin withdrawal kills people sometimes. > Eric > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > FIDO…Fuck It Drive On

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Eric, >You’ve got that exactly backwards. Heroin withdrawal almost never kills >anyone, except in the rare case where the person was incredibly >debilitated and had a tenuous grasp on life *before* going into >withdrawal. Benzos, OTOH, can easily cause fatal seizures in *anyone* in >withdrawal. As for which withdrawal is worse: ask any addict who’s been >through both of them. Withdrawal from high-dose benzos is *far* worse >than withdrawal from heroin. Heroin withdrawal is very unpleasant, but >it’s mostly like being very, very sick, and it only lasts for a week or >so. High-dose benzo withdrawal, OTOH, is like having a high-voltage >cable plugged into your spinal cord, sweat pouring down your face like >Niagara Falls, and going psychotic at the same time … plus it lasts for >many weeks or even months. > come on man, you know heroin is much deadlier than benzos. The heroin itself is > deadly, the withdrawal is deadly, everything about it is deadly. If heroin > withdrawal is not so bad why do so many heroin addicts have to take that > methadone stuff for months or even years afterwards? That addiction just stays > and stays around even after they go off the stuff. Benzos arent like that. > I dont agree benzo withdrawal is anything like you mentioned, but I do know it > can be bad. I hate benzos just like I hate opiates. They are all drugs with > troublesome side effect profiles and better, newer things exist to treat both > depression and anxiety nowadays. > If a person has gotten to the point where they are using either opiates or > benzos on a regular longterm basis, something is seriously wrong. Most likely > that person’s depression/anxiety disorder is being managed poorly. Benzos are > not meant to be taken everyday longterm like so many do. And opiates should > never be used in any kind of modern day mental illness treatment. The troubles > both these drugs bring with them are not worth their trouble. > Something like Buspar or a sedating serotonergic antidepressant is much better > for longterm management of anxiety. > Eric > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm > FIDO…Fuck It Drive On

Hi, the w/d from benzos is very ugly and take place even WHILE for example while driving a car; each benzo is different too; Klonopin being an anti-convulsant has many mirror effects of convulsions in w/d – i had seizures and now trying to go to lower doses, frothing at the mouth and meningitis like sensations; i think it is a species of epilepsy in w/d. The important thing about benzos is not whether they are worse or not than opiates like heroin, but that such a majority of white collar, "respectable" people take them – it’s a big problem and i don’t think doctors even want to touch it. In my rambling letter to Roche i suggested they set up detox centres for their victims. Squiggles

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