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> What kind of delusions do you believe you > are suffering from Lynda, if you care to > talk about it.
Nine…I was referring to somne else:)
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> x-no-archive:yes > They can be disabling. Often disempower the person who suffers from > them. > And it really is sad to watch. I’ve never had delusions myself, so I > can’t relate to the problem. > Sharon
I am deluded into thinking I am good-looking LOL (that’s my husband’s fault) 
Squiggles
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Jeez… our entire planet’s popumation is delusional 99.99% of the time, and psychotic due to these delusions a good 75% of the time. At least my delusions don’t require throwing planes into skyscrapers, hostage-taking, shooting physicians, rounding up people who’s land I’ve seized into "detention centers", or labeling those with whom I have political disagreements "the evil ones". I recall reading about a series of studies that suggested that those who suffer from moderate to severe depression have a more realistic view of the world than "normal" people… Most of what we consider "reality" is merely consensus hallucination anyway. Consider the phenomenon of perspective… Jim M.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> They can be disabling. Often disempower the person who suffers from > them. > — > LyndaNP > Reality isn’t the way you wish things to be, nor the way > they appear to be, but the way they actually are. > – Robert J. Ringer
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…..and maybe you are now deluding yourself that you are not! cem
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive:yes > I am deluded into thinking I am good-looking LOL > (that’s my husband’s fault) > That’s not a delusion at all, just a sweet husband > Sharon
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> What kind of delusions do you believe you > are suffering from Lynda, if you care to > talk about it. > Nine…I was referring to somne else:)
Stinker! ROFLO
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> x-no-archive:yes > > They can be disabling. Often disempower the person who suffers from > > them. > And it really is sad to watch. I’ve never had delusions myself, so I > can’t relate to the problem. > Sharon > I am deluded into thinking I am good-looking LOL > (that’s my husband’s fault) > Squiggles
I bet your a looker Squiggles…..
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> I bet your a looker Squiggles…..
Ooooo – time to diet a little more, who knows what tomorrow may bring, LOL Squiggles
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"HOppER" wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > me of this: > <Most of what we consider "reality" is merely consensus hallucination > anyway. > <Consider the phenomenon of perspective… > < > <Jim M. > That does sum it up. I have often thought about this. If you could one > by one, strip away the mechanisms that make us happy or sad, bold or > scared, lazy or industrious, then as those mental cattle prods are > removed we would become less and less motivated to do anything. > Our illness is a malfunction of more than just the mechanism that > controls what we think of as being happy or sad. There are other > emotions that a less defined that play in our head. Things like > contentment or ambition. I mean manics are ambitious mostly, but I > don’t think ambition comes from being "up". I don’t know if we can > objectively break down all the types of feelings that motivate people, > and we need to do that to progress in our mastery of these things. > That make any sense at all? > Hopper
Absolutely. Well said, Paul. Hugs, TK
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They can be disabling. Often disempower the person who suffers from them. — LyndaNP Reality isn’t the way you wish things to be, nor the way they appear to be, but the way they actually are. – Robert J. Ringer
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> They can be disabling. Often disempower the person who suffers from > them. > — > LyndaNP > Reality isn’t the way you wish things to be, nor the way > they appear to be, but the way they actually are. > – Robert J. Ringer
What kind of delusions do you believe you are suffering from Lynda, if you care to talk about it. Squiggles
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> > What kind of delusions do you believe you > are suffering from Lynda, if you care to > talk about it. > Nine…I was referring to somne else:)
Sorry for the typo…none. Have never had delusions. — LyndaNP Reality isn’t the way you wish things to be, nor the way they appear to be, but the way they actually are. – Robert J. Ringer
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >me of this: ><Most of what we consider "reality" is merely consensus hallucination >anyway. ><Consider the phenomenon of perspective… >< ><Jim M. >That does sum it up. I have often thought about this. If you could one >by one, strip away the mechanisms that make us happy or sad, bold or >scared, lazy or industrious, then as those mental cattle prods are >removed we would become less and less motivated to do anything. >Our illness is a malfunction of more than just the mechanism that >controls what we think of as being happy or sad. There are other >emotions that a less defined that play in our head. Things like >contentment or ambition. I mean manics are ambitious mostly, but I >don’t think ambition comes from being "up". I don’t know if we can >objectively break down all the types of feelings that motivate people, >and we need to do that to progress in our mastery of these things. >That make any sense at all? >Hopper
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>Are the delsions persistent and will not go away? When I remember back >to my delusions of imminent bodily harm I was keyed up for hours. It is >hard to be that tense for that long. >Have you found some comfort in the last few days?
They persist for hours but not usually for days. Not so good right now, but thank you for asking Jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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Hey Bas; Given the psychosis, I vote BPI . . . . (waiting to see how my vote matches up against the resident experts) . . . . Does ‘full blown mania’ equate to a psychotic state for you too? — Kath From here on my branch I can choose to plunge or soar. I think I shall sit a while longer. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > DE DIGITALE STAD > So what diagnosis would YOU make considering my story I’ve depicted in > the text above ? I am wondering what my pdoc will decide (it might still > last some time -say 0.5 year- before HIS diagnosis is ready) > Aurora > GreetinX > X > X > Bas > Oops somewhat more than I’d expected to type…
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am i really that much of a dingbat? i cannot find the original post… sigh…it doesn’t help that im kind of depressed and have been on the verge of crying all day… but bas—honestly.. im starting to actually "see" some of the stuff that happened. see what was going on and understand it for what it was. (like crap you know)…instead of being in it… and i see a lot of what you say… the paranoid psychosis.. the mixed state.. i guess all told, although i was in a depressive state almost exclusively (i mean minus the mixed stuff except for the racing thoughts, though plus the psychosis)…for only about six months in a total of two and a half years…even when i was put in the hospital for the first time and was completely depressed, the social worker would talk to me and id laugh and then be okay for a sec and then cry and cry..blah blah.. you all know.. except i didn’t get the joy of solving the secrets of the universe.. i had my writing to keep me busy.. snip >Would that make me BP I ? *( I’m wondering `cause this particular pdoc >wants to make a diagnosis without using the diagnoses given previously )* >or BP II.
umm like i think the doc needs your mood symptoms otherwise you’ll only get the psychosis stuff you got… 
…at least in the dsmiv, having psychotic features puts you as bipolar i… i dont know about the icd 10 (it’s 10, right?) snip > The problem is that as soon as I get a grip and realize that my > delusions are false, the tension and fear stay anyway, on and on for > hours, on and off for countless days, knot in stomach, racing thoughts, > hypervigilance, wanting to jump out of my skin. Maybe it is these > symptoms caused by biochemistry that cause the delusions. Luckily meds > have stopped this from happening to such a degree anymore.
ug.. this is so true… it’s that awful awful churning ugly feeling that destroys you and you want to pace the room and scale the walls but that won’t help so you hold your sides and then grit your teeth and shake… until suddenly you go completely psychotic and go into the other room and start yelling at the people in there (ack.. oh well.. ) >What you described here followed the above too, with a distinct period of >paranoid psychosis, following to a period of dysphoric hypomania and >depression. Damn, did not live like half a human bein’ than.
sigh..just thinking about this abstractly makes me intensely sad… For me this >not lasted hours, days, but like 6 months, after which the above followed >again.
moi aussi snip uch… i hate zyprexa.. don’t make a bulimic fat.. it’ll only make her more nuts.. sigh bas… im glad you said that–i haven’t heard too much about you just the present tense notes… i am very much at that figuring out stage–the sort of im admitting to myself that i was really out of control and really was nuts and still am and always will be.. told a friend today that since i was 11, i have had about three normal years of existence.. i think im going to puke..none of us would have put this card on the table. alexia
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Yeah, definitely. I also experienced psychosis (markedly paranoid psychosis) without being manic or depressed. This state could be abolished by Zyprexa, which I received after hearing the diagnoses schizophrenia (I am not schizophrenic). The longest state of experiencing these definitely mood-incoherent paranoid psychoses (hearing voices, hearing peoples’ thoughts, transmitting thoughts, etc.) lasted about 3 months after which I received Zyprexa (by being diagnosed schizophrenic, the only indication for Zyprexa here is schizophrenia) which cut it of good. Good for me. IMHO that would make me BP I with Mixed states and Schizoaffective disorder, but possibly other things are involved of which I am not aware, the psychiatrist will see through this, too, I hope. For example states of anxiety are not implicated in above diagnoses, but I have been suffering from panic attacks, and even a few times of total dissociation (very scary!). Things are looking good for me now, though. ThanX X X Bas DE DIGITALE STAD
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DE DIGITALE STAD Op Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Aurora schreef: <snip> > The only delusions I have ever were ones of omnipotence, > infallibility…kind of like the gog complex <sigh>! > I had those too. Thought I knew the secrets of the universe and was > directly connected to the life force in a way that others weren’t. That > they were magnetized by this.
Yeah! I solved all the secrets of the universe, knowledge to questions asked for a thousand years lay there, right out in the open. A force of unity connecting me to a never-ending source of love and compassion. I could see faith unfolding it’s patterns and observe effects of this in my life and other human beings, as of course these patterns are intricately connected. Beauty and serenity filling me. I could see auras at the time and read the feelings and underlying patterns the people lived there lives in, I could help people, etc etc etc. It lasted for about eight months or so, after which it started to wither… Would that make me BP I ? *( I’m wondering `cause this particular pdoc wants to make a diagnosis without using the diagnoses given previously )* or BP II. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thought I could tell people who have been here 20 years how the product > should be redesigned and what features it should have, stayed up till > midnight writing papers about this stuff. > — > —– > … Something Deep! > The problem is that as soon as I get a grip and realize that my > delusions are false, the tension and fear stay anyway, on and on for > hours, on and off for countless days, knot in stomach, racing thoughts, > hypervigilance, wanting to jump out of my skin. Maybe it is these > symptoms caused by biochemistry that cause the delusions. Luckily meds > have stopped this from happening to such a degree anymore.
What you described here followed the above too, with a distinct period of paranoid psychosis, following to a period of dysphoric hypomania and depression. Damn, did not live like half a human bein’ than. For me this not lasted hours, days, but like 6 months, after which the above followed again. I believed I had found the key to the universal law of space and time, leading me to believe I could find a way to trigger distinct aformaties by means of resonance (The spacetime continuum a multi-dimensional, swirling sea), then giving the final “gravity pulse”, which would set of linking of two distinct pieces in the spacetime continuum. So far so good, I later found out talking to some physicist, that in theory it might even be possible. But then later I started to think I’d better go study physics, so I could make this theoretical spacetimemachine reality… Then I came there, first grade Universty physics… Reality hit me again, and I swirled deeper and deeper in dysphoria, depression, and then paranoid psychosis again, damn… I chose biology, which I am doing up to this day, so I started out there pretty bad (bein’ paranoid and depressed the first year did not help, but it was so easy then, that I could do it in my slippers). The second year: Thins were pretty bad, I got treated for paranoid psychosis (diagnosis schizophrenia) with 10 mg Zyprexa/day which worked fine for cutting psychosis, but made me feel flat. After that I just stopped going to this pdoc, having enough Zyprexa to feed on for some time (I mostly took 5 mgs a day, sometimes none). After I stopped zyprexa I went into rapid cycling with mixed states and lots of anxiety (one 11% Beer in the morning usually elated this enough to make me able to do a little shopping without suffering from very severe panic attacks). Needless to say I got depressed & school went dead. After the anxiety got something less. I started (after 2.5 months of disability) again, getting medium results (I usually don’t attend to a lot of lectures, and get through the exams by reading up in the last week(s), which usually works fine for me). Then I got to my family doctor who prescribed me Seroxat, after which I have not suffered from severe anxiety, paranoid psychosis, mania (which is weird, `cause I’ve had full blown mania before, but Seroxat seemed to stabilize me, instead just placing the sinus-curve to a higher level), and severe depression. A lot of side effects, with still the existence of sometimes mixed states, hypomania and depression, but not in the rapid cycling pace that totally invalidated me, anymore. Side effects I had on Seroxat were: Severe Sleeping disorders, sweating, nausea with puking almost every day, diarhea every day (I’d rather puke every day, than that) I stopped taking Seroxat (which = Paxil, Paroxetine) Some time ago (few weeks ? on pdocs advice) and have not suffered from any of the above Side effects, with the exception of the sleeping disorder, which has become a real problem over last year. So what diagnosis would YOU make considering my story I’ve depicted in the text above ? I am wondering what my pdoc will decide (it might still last some time -say 0.5 year- before HIS diagnosis is ready) > Aurora
GreetinX X X Bas Oops somewhat more than I’d expected to type…
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Are the delsions persistent and will not go away? When I remember back to my delusions of imminent bodily harm I was keyed up for hours. It is hard to be that tense for that long. Have you found some comfort in the last few days?
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> Are the delsions persistent and will not go away? When I remember back > to my delusions of imminent bodily harm I was keyed up for hours. It is > hard to be that tense for that long.
snipped… The only delusions I have ever were ones of omnipotence, infallibility…kind of like the gog complex <sigh>! — —– … Something Deep!
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> > Are the delsions persistent and will not go away? When I remember back > to my delusions of imminent bodily harm I was keyed up for hours. It is > hard to be that tense for that long. > snipped… > The only delusions I have ever were ones of omnipotence, > infallibility…kind of like the gog complex <sigh>!
I had those too. Thought I knew the secrets of the universe and was directly connected to the life force in a way that others weren’t. That they were magnetized by this. Thought I could tell people who have been here 20 years how the product should be redesigned and what features it should have, stayed up till midnight writing papers about this stuff. > — > —– > … Something Deep!
The problem is that as soon as I get a grip and realize that my delusions are false, the tension and fear stay anyway, on and on for hours, on and off for countless days, knot in stomach, racing thoughts, hypervigilance, wanting to jump out of my skin. Maybe it is these symptoms caused by biochemistry that cause the delusions. Luckily meds have stopped this from happening to such a degree anymore. Aurora
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Hello Jackie, Let me try to answer your recent question. The process by which a delusion is created is a mutant form of the process by which a person has intuition. Of course this is just my opinion. I recognize there are people, primarily men who deny the existence of intuition. I would not be ashamed of experiencing delusions. I think it is part of the hightened awareness, rapid processing, and multiple thoughts which are symptoms of mania. I think any "normal" person has the potential to experience delusions if they are overwhelmed by information from the environment while being self-centered. I hope this has not offended you. Best wishes.
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>I hope this has not offended you.
of course not, I find this very interesting jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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I hear you Jackie. Take the path of least resistence. If you can recognize that it is not real, try to describe (to yourself) what your options are. Then take the option that involves the least risk to yourself. I don’t know if you had the time to read my very long post. I described a delusion of immeninent bodily harm. What I described above herein is the process that I went through. I hope this has been of some use to you.
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>But what on earth can we do about it? (apart from taking our meds!) I >mean, knowing about boundary problems has helped me a bit to deal with >codependance, because I am a sane human being when it comes to with >codependance. But when I suffer from delusions I am not a sane human >being and telling myself it isn’t real (which I do anyway) doesn’t >make it any less compelling (or dangerous).
Hang on, taking this with what you said before…. what you are saying is that if we understand how delusions etc arise (from faulty intuition) then it is easier to shrug off the effects when we are back to more-or-less sanity. ? Jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Small Phoenix asked me to explain my statement about "Don’t let >boundaries collapse on you in a tight, confined space." >Remember this is only my opinion. This is sort of my take on therapy >and some psychobable lectures I went to in Santa Barbara, California in >1990. >It will be easiest for me to explain if I discuss a concrete example >rather than generalities. >There is such a thing as feelings. >There is such a thing as thought. >There is such a thing as action. >In a healthy person each of the three items listed above are separate >and distinct. Each person has triggers which initiate the process >whereby feelings are translated into thought. Each person has a degree >of control, if they are healthy, that translates the process whereby >thoughts become action. >In an unhealthy person, feelings, thought, and action may happen at the >same time. The person can be out of control. For example bipolar >people who are manic can experience pressured speech. I have >experienced pressured speech whereby it happens so quickly. I speak >before I realize what is happening. It is almost as if I am watching it >from outside my body.
I can see some sense in what you’re saying here, in interpreting what happens to us. But what on earth can we do about it? (apart from taking our meds!) I mean, knowing about boundary problems has helped me a bit to deal with codependance, because I am a sane human being when it comes to with codependance. But when I suffer from delusions I am not a sane human being and telling myself it isn’t real (which I do anyway) doesn’t make it any less compelling (or dangerous). Jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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The following is my opinion. Don’t destroy your humanity out of fear of delusions. Recognize the boundaries of reality. Don’t let those boundaries collapse on you in a tight, confined, shrinking space. Meet the challenge of life. Fear can steal your life. To me it seems almost like a game of one on one (player) basketball. Keep your boundaries as a single unique individual. Worrying about what normal people brings along the observation that 75% of adults fall into one DSM-IV category (of psychiatric illnesses) or another. Don’t sell yourself short. You have a right to be here. Don’t compare yourself to others because on the one hand you may become vain because there will always be those who are less fortunate than you. On the other hand you may become bitter because there will always be those who are luckier than you, they may be "better" placed in life. And finally remember that the idle rich have the worst psychiatric problems. They don’t have the day to day economic grind which brings out the best skills within each of us. Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Small Phoenix asked me to explain my statement about "Don’t let boundaries collapse on you in a tight, confined space." Remember this is only my opinion. This is sort of my take on therapy and some psychobable lectures I went to in Santa Barbara, California in 1990. It will be easiest for me to explain if I discuss a concrete example rather than generalities. There is such a thing as feelings. There is such a thing as thought. There is such a thing as action. In a healthy person each of the three items listed above are separate and distinct. Each person has triggers which initiate the process whereby feelings are translated into thought. Each person has a degree of control, if they are healthy, that translates the process whereby thoughts become action. In an unhealthy person, feelings, thought, and action may happen at the same time. The person can be out of control. For example bipolar people who are manic can experience pressured speech. I have experienced pressured speech whereby it happens so quickly. I speak before I realize what is happening. It is almost as if I am watching it from outside my body. The following is my opinion. The healthy person may have a limited but recognizable amount of intuition. The unhealthy person may have a rampaging version of the same thing (intuition) that is a full blown delusion. The healthy person can develop intuition through life experiences, education, and moral upbringing. Often they (the person) will not recognize their intuition (first thoughts) by continuing to ask questions in the situation. The unhealthy person will not recognize their exagerated "intuition". They will not bother asking questions. They will simply accept their exagerated "intuition" as fact. This is my definition of a delusion. What is the root cause of this unhealthy processing of information? The unhealthy person does not recognize the boundaries of reality. Where does the outside world begin for each of us? How do we know what is outside of our body/mind/spirit? Our skin is a physical boundary. Our senses of sight, smell, touch, hearing etc. extend our boundary. But how do we interact with our environment? How do we interact with other people? What can we control? The healthy person can control their actions formost. The healthy person can recognize their thoughts. Thoughts are distinct from action. The healthy person has adjusted to the environment so that their feelings accurately reflect that environment. If there is a feeling of danger to the healthy person, it is a warning of actual danger. The system of checks and balances that function within a healthy person are absent in an unhealthy person. A healthy person can recognize that they are separate and distinct from all other people. The noteable exception to the preceeding comment is a mother’s love for her child. An unhealthy person cannot recognize the boundary between their own existence (that person’s) and the existence of other people. For example, a co-dependent person is like this. A healthy person can define boundaries. In my opinion, that is what an adult does. Allow me to speak genuinely from my heart. Let’s discuss a specific delusion that I used to have. Ironically enough it came about as a pronounced reaction to some medication, since discontinued. I cannot remember the name of the medication. I had the delusion of immeninet bodily harm. In other words I felt that someone was about to beat the crap out of me. My body physically reacted to this delusion. My body would tense up. My head would feel light as the blood pumped faster through my veins. I felt the need to look around. Remarkably enough these episodes in 1996 mimicked an actual intuation event I experienced in 1982. In 1982 I was walking down a street near Christmas time. I was carry a certain unusual amount of cash. I heard a swishing sound. My mind thought, "move now" and my feet responded instantaneously. In 1982 it was a good thing I didn’t stop to turn around to look. A crazy street person was swing a very heavy chain at me. He chased me for about three blocks. In 1996 the delusions repeated themselves several times a day. Even at work. I had to recognize where I was. I had to remember what socially acceptable behavior would be in that situation. I could not run screaming wildly through an office situation (I am an engineer). I was able to recognize that the feeling (of being about to get the crap beat out of me) was different than a thought. I did not let the boundaries collapse on me in a tight, confined space. I had several alternative options. In worse, came to worse I could take a sick day off. In a way I was sick. In conclusion I hope some of what I said makes some kind of sense. I hope I’m not rambling on…like some kind of…maniac Boy am I lucky. The webtv crashed at the end of the preceeding sentence. If you think it took a long while to read this, how long do you think it took to type. Sorry about the spelling.
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Lynda wrote snip >No, I’m not normal. I never have been really. But I am with the best >nonnormal gp of people around!!! >Peace,
I think we should refer to ourselves as supernormal. As in supernatural. (HI Lynda!) Take care, Amy
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This is my attempt to clarify my statement about "don’t destroy your humanity out of fear of delusions." We are all unique individuals. If we allow a misperception of the external environment (and how we relate to it) to overwhelm and subdue our spirit/mind/body, then we will have surrendered something priceless, our humanity. we are people We are people first. We are patients after that. The person will remain standing on the battlefield after the war with this illness. We will not give up our liberty, our actions to a false sense of "intuition" (delusions) that in a weak moment of sickness that we might (mistakenly) believe is fact. Thank you for your time and consideration.
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>The following is my opinion. Don’t destroy your humanity out of fear of >delusions. >Recognize the boundaries of reality. Don’t let those boundaries >collapse on you in a tight, confined, shrinking space.
How do you stop it? Jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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snipped… > Who wants to be "normal?"
…. Hi Vanessa, Well said. No, I’m not normal. I never have been really. But I am with the best nonnormal gp of people around!!! Peace, — —– … Something Deep!
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>Maybe we could get together and compare delusions >someday. )) >– >JimBob
Maybe we should throw a delusions party…. Jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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Already it is fading, already I find it difficult to accept what happened on Saturday. OK, I was distressed, but delusions? I’m not insane, I don’t have delusions. But normal people don’t have thoughts like these, not even for a moment, do they? Thoughts that just slip into your head casually like normal thoughts and stay there, truth, such that even while you half know they cannot be true you cannot unbelieve them. Normal people don’t hold the secrets of the peace and joy of the earth inside them. Normal people don’t have to die to perfect mankind. Normal people aren’t pursued by malignant spirits who control their thoughts and give them deathwishes. It’s not even as if those thoughts were unfamiliar. I’ve had them all before. I don’t want to have delusions. Jackie Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Already it is fading, already I find it difficult to accept what > happened on Saturday. OK, I was distressed, but delusions? I’m not > insane, I don’t have delusions. > But normal people don’t have thoughts like these, not even for a > moment, do they? Thoughts that just slip into your head casually like > normal thoughts and stay there, truth, such that even while you half > know they cannot be true you cannot unbelieve them. > Normal people don’t hold the secrets of the peace and joy of the earth > inside them. Normal people don’t have to die to perfect mankind. > Normal people aren’t pursued by malignant spirits who control their > thoughts and give them deathwishes. > It’s not even as if those thoughts were unfamiliar. I’ve had them all > before. > I don’t want to have delusions. > Jackie > Web page at http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/close/xhq10/mem.htm > I’ve been Jay H, Canarybird, Empty Cage, Serin, Phoenix, even Crow. > Let’s see if I can stick with this one for a while.
I never asked to be here either ( But not much to do but suck up and help the others along. Maybe we could get together and compare delusions someday. )) — JimBob You can take the sailor from the sea, but you can never take the sea from the sailor.
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>Normal people
I think "normal people" is a coined term. You see…whatever a person feels makes them different from others…terms like these pop up. In AA it is "straight people" in suicide groups it is "shiny happy people." I’m sure whatever group you fall in the grass may always seem greener on the other side. Myself, I don’t believe there is any such thing as "normal." We are all different and all come with our own gifts. As a matter of fact…most people with manic depression have magnificent artisitc sides. Who wants to be "normal?" Vanessa Every end was once a begining….
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[snip] > Normal people don’t hold the secrets of the peace and joy of the earth > inside them. Normal people don’t have to die to perfect mankind. > Normal people aren’t pursued by malignant spirits who control their > thoughts and give them deathwishes.
I have had these before a lot except the part about dying to perfect mankind. > It’s not even as if those thoughts were unfamiliar. I’ve had them all > before. > I don’t want to have delusions.
Not much choice in the matter except possibly via med change. Aurora
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> >Normal people > I think "normal people" is a coined term. You see…whatever a person feels > makes them different from others…terms like these pop up. In AA it is > "straight people" in suicide groups it is "shiny happy people." I’m sure > whatever group you fall in the grass may always seem greener on the other side. > Myself, I don’t believe there is any such thing as "normal." We are all > different and all come with our own gifts. As a matter of fact…most people > with manic depression have magnificent artisitc sides. Who wants to be > "normal?" > Vanessa > Every end was once a begining….
So-called normals used to pursue my companionship saying I was ’so full of life’ etc. I always found them rather boring. I see that most of my chosen friends that I thought were fun were BP, some dx’d some not. I remember one of them who decided to stop taking Depakote but keep taking Prozac. She was a little too exciting and entertaining then. Aurora
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>Cool pic – nice looking guy – do you smoke or >is that your finger near your nose (lol – just kidding) > hehe…must give up soon…. (smoking that is