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I am wondering if LUVOX is likely to increase anxiety and aggression initially; I have noticed a real turn for the worse in Eric; i don’t know if this is due to the drug or just a shitty attitude; Anyway, this "talk" is not good for anyone; and i would think that it must be against the Charter of this newsgroup. I’d like to suggest that this is degenerating and that it can do a lot of harm to people who are already struggling and relying on this for a connection to a supportive net of cyberfriends. Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am wondering if LUVOX is likely to >increase anxiety and aggression initially; I have >noticed a real turn for the worse in Eric; >i don’t know if this is due to the drug >or just a shitty attitude; >Anyway, this "talk" is not good for anyone; >and i would think that it must be against >the Charter of this newsgroup. >I’d like to suggest that this is degenerating >and that it can do a lot of harm to people >who are already struggling and relying on >this for a connection to a supportive net >of cyberfriends. >Squiggles

Squiggles, this is what my personality was like before I got nailed by depression. I do have an aggressive undertone to my personality when not depressed, in a good way of course. As in I tell it like it is…Im direct I cut thru the bullshit. I also have a warped sense of humor. When I go on antidepressants my sense of humor comes back some. Im sorry that my warped jokes insult you, but this is an "alt" newsgroup which means about anything goes. Its also unmoderated. Deal with it. I get sick and fucking tired of listening to anti-psychiatry medication assholes like Steven Kaess and this FGM character coming onto ASDM and putting down depressives who take antidepressants. Its downright incorrect information and its discriminatory towards we the mentally ill. I dont like coming onto ASDM to see Kaess and FGM’s smartalecky condescending tones towards depressives such as myself. FGM’s posts are downright insulting to depressives and he isnt joking about it either. Someone must stand up to these individuals Irene. I know you are an extremely sensitive person Irene, you have told me that you are in private Emails. I realize you are probably a "people pleaser" and hate to see violent arguments or disagreements among people. You probably like to see compromise and agreement among people. I understand that but you also need to understand some people dont see it that way, some people believe in fighting back against the discrimination against the severely mentally ill. Thats why many times I am extremely sarcastic and pissy towards individuals such as Steve Kaess, Bob Whelan and this FGM character. Individuals such as Steven Kaess and FGM are my enemy Squiggles. They should be your enemy as well because you have serious mental illness. These people do not represent your interests at all and they need to be stood up to and put in their places. Eric Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am wondering if LUVOX is likely to >increase anxiety and aggression initially; I have >noticed a real turn for the worse in Eric; >i don’t know if this is due to the drug >or just a shitty attitude; >Anyway, this "talk" is not good for anyone; >and i would think that it must be against >the Charter of this newsgroup. >I’d like to suggest that this is degenerating >and that it can do a lot of harm to people >who are already struggling and relying on >this for a connection to a supportive net >of cyberfriends. >Squiggles > Squiggles, this is what my personality was like before I got nailed by > depression. I do have an aggressive undertone to my personality when not > depressed, in a good way of course. As in I tell it like it is…Im direct I > cut thru the bullshit. I also have a warped sense of humor. When I go on > antidepressants my sense of humor comes back some. Im sorry that my warped > jokes insult you, but this is an "alt" newsgroup which means about anything > goes. Its also unmoderated. Deal with it.

Eric, It’s true that this is an alt. group; nevertheless i think that others too are insulted by your outbursts; > Individuals such as Steven Kaess and FGM are my enemy Squiggles. They should be > your enemy as well because you have serious mental illness. These people do not > represent your interests at all and they need to be stood up to and put in > their places. > Eric > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

I don’t know who my friends or my enemies are on the NET frankly, because i think there is no way of telling, and because i believe that these terms are kind of meaningless anyway on the NET, i concentrate on expressing my own views as best i can, and i also just try to get practical advice – but at the end of the day, i have to be the judge – the thing about the NET, especially in support mode, is that you are ultimately in control; if you decide to give up that control, you give up to unknown factors. Anyway, i can see that you have your cowboy hat on and you’re riding a very colourful horse; as i said, it’s very hard to prove who is who on the NET, and whether you are abrasive or not, i think that it’s only fair to give proof of identification when making personal accusations. Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I am wondering if LUVOX is likely to >increase anxiety and aggression initially; I have >noticed a real turn for the worse in Eric; >i don’t know if this is due to the drug >or just a shitty attitude; >Anyway, this "talk" is not good for anyone; >and i would think that it must be against >the Charter of this newsgroup. >I’d like to suggest that this is degenerating >and that it can do a lot of harm to people >who are already struggling and relying on >this for a connection to a supportive net >of cyberfriends. >Squiggles > Squiggles, this is what my personality was like before I got nailed by > depression. I do have an aggressive undertone to my personality when not > depressed, in a good way of course.

Yes I am sure it would help you in, say, a prison experience, or perhaps the Marines. > As in I tell it like it is…Im direct I > cut thru the bullshit. I also have a warped sense of humor.

And you are out of touch with reality and demonstrating strong  symptoms of mania. > When I go on > antidepressants my sense of humor comes back some.

Yes your Ho post had em laughing, eric.  Do you like the idea of woman being slapped around to shut them up?  Perhaps such images cause you intense excitement, eric.  After all beating up people weaker then you is a good way to feel good about yourself.  If you are a psychopath. > Im sorry that my warped > jokes insult you, but this is an "alt" newsgroup which means about anything > goes. Its also unmoderated. Deal with it.

We do, too bad you seem unable to , eric. > I get sick and fucking tired of listening to anti-psychiatry medication > assholes like Steven Kaess and this FGM character coming onto ASDM and putting > down depressives who take antidepressants.

Your inability to comprehend my posts is most unsettling.  I suggest you try to read slower, perhaps sounding out each word.  Subtle seems to be a word you never learned.  FGM is a different person then me, I have no resemblance to FGM.  I do not say that  folks chose to be depressed.  I do think you chose the dx because depression in the medical model is much easier to accept and does not require you to take any responsibility for your true state. > Its downright incorrect information

Even though whenever I post strong proof of my statements you ignore it.  Simple denial will no longer work, eric. > and its discriminatory towards we the mentally ill.

There is no discrimination toward the mentally ill in my posts, but perhaps you might have some elements of a persecution complex, eric. > I dont like coming onto > ASDM to see Kaess and FGM’s smartalecky condescending tones towards depressives > such as myself.

You are not representative of the great majority of depressives.  You are like a black man who acts badly, perhaps breaks the law, and then blames the result on his race.  The way you are treated is not in any respect indicative of peoples general attitude toward depressives in general, eric.  It’s just an indication of the opinion people hold about you. > FGM’s posts are downright insulting to depressives and he isnt > joking about it either. Someone must stand up to these individuals Irene.

And you are the sheriff round these parts, eric? > I know you are an extremely sensitive person Irene, you have told me that you > are in private Emails. I realize you are probably a "people pleaser" and hate > to see violent arguments or disagreements among people. You probably like to > see compromise and agreement among people. I understand that but you also need > to understand some people dont see it that way, some people believe in fighting > back against the discrimination against the severely mentally ill. Thats why > many times I am extremely sarcastic and pissy towards individuals such as Steve > Kaess, Bob Whelan and this FGM character. > Individuals such as Steven Kaess and FGM are my enemy Squiggles.

You are unable to differentiate between enemies and those who disagree with you. Further evidence of your impaired cognitive ability.  Or perhaps you just never had the ability in the first place, lost boy. > They should be > your enemy as well because you have serious mental illness.

So here is the eric’s logic tree: Steve disagrees with me I am mentally ill Steve attacks my ideas about mental illness Steve attacks me Steve is my enemy Steve is the enemy of every person with mental illness If you accept this, squigglie, I am your enemy. > These people do not > represent your interests at all

So you are able to dictate to people what their interests are.  It is interesting to see you acting in the fashion of an authority figure in the ‘total institution’ model you presented recently.  Your idolization of psychiatrists is so total that you now posit that you are the person who should define others legitimate interests, eric. > and they need to be stood up to

Standing up to a person does not include calling them names, it does consist of offering counter arguments and facts, rather then your reiteration of your undefended themes, eric. > and put in > their places.

What place would that be, lost boy? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eric > My defense system requires me to claim that steroids caused my > depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://www.ect.org

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Here is the latest study on Luvox for anxiety, albeit with children: Walkup, John T.. Labellarte, Michael J.. Riddle, Mark A.. Pine, Daniel S.. Greenhill, Laurence. Klein, Rachel. Davies, Mark. Sweeney, Michael. Abikoff, Howard et al. Fluvoxamine for the Treatment of Anxiety Disorders in Children and Adolescents. New England Journal of Medicine. 344(17):1279-1285, April 26, 2001: Our report demonstrates the efficacy of fluvoxamine in the treatment of children with social phobia, separation anxiety disorder, or generalized anxiety disorder. Fluvoxamine treatment was generally well tolerated but was associated with significantly more gastrointestinal symptoms, as found in other trials, [6,7,13-17] and with greater increases in children’s levels of activity than was placebo. Effects on activity have been found in previous trials of selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors in children, particularly in children younger than 13 years of age, [7] but such effects typically have not been found in adults. [12-14] This increase in activity in children may relate to subjective effects in adults taking these drugs, who sometimes report increases in energy. Regardless of the mechanism, the side effects in the fluvoxamine group were usually mild. Only 5 of the 63 children in the fluvoxamine group discontinued treatment as a result of adverse events, as compared with 1 of the 65 children in the placebo group. The efficacy of treatment with selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors for anxiety in children in our trial is consistent with data obtained in studies of adults. Panic disorder, social phobia, and obsessive-compulsive disorder are the three specific anxiety disorders in adults whose treatment with these drugs has been studied most intensively. [12-15] In general, approximately 50 to 70 percent of patients with these disorders respond to therapy with selective serotonin-reuptake inhibitors; response rates in patients with panic disorder are usually higher than in patients with the other disorders. The results of our trial in children with social phobia, separation anxiety disorder, and generalized anxiety disorder are also consistent with the results of trials of these drugs in children with obsessive-compulsive disorder and major depression. [6,7,16,17,26]

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goly squiggles i personally think that eric is doing pretty well rite now…. that is just my observation wich i can quantify if necessary. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I am wondering if LUVOX is likely to > increase anxiety and aggression initially; I have > noticed a real turn for the worse in Eric; > i don’t know if this is due to the drug > or just a shitty attitude; > Anyway, this "talk" is not good for anyone; > and i would think that it must be against > the Charter of this newsgroup. > I’d like to suggest that this is degenerating > and that it can do a lot of harm to people > who are already struggling and relying on > this for a connection to a supportive net > of cyberfriends. > Squiggles

– blackbird singin in the dead of night take these broken wings and learn to fly all your life you were only waiting for this moment to arrive ~

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> goly squiggles i personally think that eric is doing pretty well rite > now…. that is just my observation wich i can quantify if necessary.

you probably know him better than i do – quantification? sure; why not Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->goly squiggles i personally think that eric is doing pretty well rite >now…. that is just my observation wich i can quantify if necessary. > I agree…since going back on the meds my blood pressure is now under control > and I can tolerate antidepressants again like I used to. And by going back on a > simple SSRI, I find myself no longer the sappy, super guilty, worried, > pussified wussyboy I was off meds for most of the past seven or eight months. I > find my "old"  personality returning somewhat. Still nowhere even close to > normal but certainly better than I am off the meds. Id say Im currently at oh, > 30%. While for most of the past six or seven months Id say I was oh,  5%. > Sappy, self effacing and "super nice" is not the real Eric. I do indeed have a > warped sense of humor. Maybe I should keep it off the newsgroup, I dont know. > Lord knows any oldtimers from ASDM like Mike or some of the people who dont > hang out here anymore know how warped I can be. Its all in good fun though and > just joking around.

Further evidence of a pattern of refusal to take responsibility for your actions, eric. When do you cut your first album?  When daddies money comes through? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Eric > Steroids caused my depression…prednisone should be used conservatively > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FactsAndFallaciesOfDepression > MIBS (Minimally Invasive Brain Stimulation) > http://www.musc.edu/psychiatry/fnrd/tms.htm

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Eric is simply feeling like himself again. Thats all there is too it. Hes not being aggressive because of the meds..DUH! He is feeling better enough to show his aggression now. This is natural for him. Enough of the anti med crusade ay? I’m not sure what is motivating your statements now. Do you?

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>Anna likes hate and saying hateful things and likes Eric and anyone the more >hateful they get. For her the worse someone gets hateful wise, its her opinion >they are improving, while anyone getting better is from her perspective >becoming worse. >Linda

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> goly squiggles i personally think that eric is doing pretty well rite >> now…. that is just my observation wich i can quantify if necessary. >you probably know him better than i do – quantification? sure; why not >Squiggles > I dont think its true anna knows Eric better than you, Squiggles you seem to > know and understand Eric as well or better than anyone here. > Anna likes hate and saying hateful things and likes Eric and anyone the more > hateful they get. For her the worse someone gets hateful wise, its her opinion > they are improving, while anyone getting better is from her perspective > becoming worse. > Linda

Oh ok – then it may have been satire – went right by me; I don’t wanna play this game.  Leaves a bad taste for maybe days; Squiggles

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> you probably know him better than i do – quantification? sure; why not

ok im now gonna demonstrate for everybody what it means to ‘quantify’ a meaningless statement like your own opinion with observations or other potential evidence that might be discussable. ps, i am mature enough to realize that just becuase you ask me a stupid question, doesnt mean you hate my guts or want to see me dead. here goes. the reasons i think eric is seeming ‘better’ as i see it: he sounds more cheerful. he sounds more energetic. he is able to make jokes. he is able to joke about sex. he is able to express his opinion and thoughts more clearly without just sounding like someone who really doesnt feel very good he reports himself his blood pressure is better under control ummmm….. let see. will that do for now? we can discuss this without killing each other now, becuase we are CIVILISED human beings, rite? > Squiggles

– blackbird singin in the dead of night take these broken wings and learn to fly all your life you were only waiting for this moment to arrive ~

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> you probably know him better than i do – quantification? sure; why not > ok im now gonna demonstrate for everybody what it means to ‘quantify’ a > meaningless statement like your own opinion with observations or other > potential evidence that might be discussable. ps, i am mature enough to > realize that just becuase you ask me a stupid question, doesnt mean you > hate my guts or want to see me dead. > here goes. > the reasons i think eric is seeming ‘better’ as i see it: > he sounds more cheerful. > he sounds more energetic. > he is able to make jokes. > he is able to joke about sex. > he is able to express his opinion and thoughts more clearly without just > sounding like someone who really doesnt feel very good > he reports himself his blood pressure is better under control > ummmm….. let see. > will that do for now? > we can discuss this without killing each other now, becuase we are > CIVILISED human beings, rite?

Diana, I take it you are referring to both of us when you say we are civilized – thanks.  Well, i have my uncivilized streak, but yes i appreciate your analysis of Eric.  I still say, he’s a writer  - nobody i know writes like that without an education in English Lit. Squiggles

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> > ok im now gonna demonstrate for everybody what it means to ‘quantify’ a > meaningless statement like your own opinion with observations or other > potential evidence that might be discussable. ps, i am mature enough to > realize that just becuase you ask me a stupid question, doesnt mean you > hate my guts or want to see me dead. > here goes. > the reasons i think eric is seeming ‘better’ as i see it: > he sounds more cheerful. > he sounds more energetic. > he is able to make jokes.

All symptomatic of mania as well. > he is able to joke about sex.

His infamous ho posting?? > he is able to express his opinion and thoughts more clearly without just > sounding like someone who really doesnt feel very good

Yes his range of insults and curses is becoming more varied, and he has started to attempt to support his points by extensive misrepresentation of various sources. > he reports himself his blood pressure is better under control

Compliant with meds… > ummmm….. let see. > will that do for now?

Depends on your definition of better. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text –

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