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 In the article below, glutathione and various antidepressants were used to determine a method of treatment for depression. Both glutathione and the antidepressants were able to relieve depression. (Glutathione and the antidepressants were not used in combination with each other) Read about people that were suffering from depression that have used Immunocal to raise their glutathione levels. To define a few words to make the article easier to read. Glutathione: Glutathione is found in cells. The levels of glutathione can vary in the cells. SSRIs, other medications and toxins of all type lower the glutathione levels in your cells. Glutathione is the most important part of the cells when it comes to cleaning out all toxins. Vitamins will not even be absorbed into the cells if the glutathione levels are too low. GSH: GSH is glutathione. Immunocal raises glutathione levels in the cells by presenting the cells with the 3 amino acids necessary for the cells to make glutathione. The 3 amino acids must be presented to the cells in the proper order or sequence for the cells to use them to make glutathione. Substrate: Substance that is acted upon by an enzyme Article Glutathione as a cerebral substrate in depressive behavior. Behavior depression through inescapable foot shock stress in Swiss albino mice was measured on the basis of their performance in an open field test (OFT) and a forced swim test (FST). Glutathione (GSH) and various antidepressants (impipramine, maprotiline, fluvoxamine, trazodone, and alprazolam) were able to, either fully or partly prevent and/or reverse the shock-induced behavioral depression. The Glutathione (GSH) level was measured in the cerebral cortex, cerebellum, brain stem, and the hypothalamus in shocked mice to ascertain a possible correlation between brain GSH and stress-induced depression, under conditions of preshock and postshock antidepressant treatments as well as in the absence of the drugs. There was an appreciable depletion of cortical Glutathione (GSH) in shocked mice that corrected to varying degrees by the different antidepressants. The result suggest a close link between stress-induced behavioral depression, increased monoaminergic utilization, oxidative stress, and brain Glutathione (GSH). Source: Pharmacology Biochemical Behavior 1994 Aug; 48 (4):845-

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> Article > Glutathione as a cerebral substrate in depressive behavior. > Behavior depression through inescapable foot shock stress in Swiss albino mice > was measured on the basis of their performance in an open field test (OFT) and > a forced swim test (FST).

Give me a break.  Just don’t have so many kids then you won’t have so many problems. Sick bastards. Squiggles

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> Article >> Glutathione as a cerebral substrate in depressive behavior. >> Behavior depression through inescapable foot shock stress in Swiss albino >mice >> was measured on the basis of their performance in an open field test (OFT) >and >> a forced swim test (FST). >Give me a break.  Just don’t have so many kids >then you won’t have so many problems. Sick bastards. >Squiggles > Your response indicates you dismiss the subject.

My response indicates I don’t like the subject. > Do you know anything about the subject matter.

I can read, and i presume that is why this was posted to a public ng n’est pas? > I dont, but when I come across things I dont know anything about, especially > recommendations or information related to SSRI et al and what I can do about > having taking them with the conseqencces for me of having done so, I want to > know about the information and recommendations etc.

Well, then go ahead and glean the good parts. >  I post them just to see if anyone has knowledge bout this theory or that, this > treatment or that. > I like to hear what you know, if your reply is a result of some knowledge about > this either way, supportive or rejecting.

No, it’s a response to how the results were gotten. I stop there, because whatever profit is gotten from that torture is not something that interests me. It’s morally repugnant to me. Squiggles

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> I completely missed your point, sorry. I will keep the offense taken to such in > mind. > I had no idea what you were replying to, l  thought you were talking bout me, > and  and thought,  then dismissed reminding you I only had one child! > Linda

No Linda, and it’s interesting that your reply should come at the heels of an article by Storm King posted just now, discussing mood and how that effects cyberspace communication and relations — yes, i saw the part about placing animals in a torture situation where they had no choice of escape and had to go through, and thought…. there must be a better way. But my mood of angst at the thought of the animals just got the better of me. Now i know that I take li, and if you ask me all i can say is that Cade used those rabbits to pee, then killed them.  That was many decades ago, and i don’t think they do lithium experiments anymore … ok ok someone is going to find something to make me feel like shit. Squiggles

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I completely missed your point, sorry. I will keep the offense taken to such in > mind. > I had no idea what you were replying to, l  thought you were talking bout me, > and  and thought,  then dismissed reminding you I only had one child! > Linda > No Linda, and it’s interesting that your reply should > come at the heels of an article by Storm King posted just now, > discussing mood and how that effects cyberspace communication > and relations — yes, i saw the part about placing animals > in a torture situation where they had no choice of escape and > had to go through, and thought…. there must be a better way. > But my mood of angst at the thought of the animals just got > the better of me. Now i know that I take li, and if you ask me > all i can say is that Cade used those rabbits to pee, then > killed them.  That was many decades ago, and i don’t think > they do lithium experiments anymore … ok ok someone is > going to find something to make me feel like shit. > Squiggles

Vivisection and animal toture is vile and disgusting.. It can be argued in some cases a neccessary evil in life saving research.. much of it however is completely trivial.. Thank goodness most youngsters tend to share your views . animal abusers are increasingly on the defensive .. In the UK one of the chief offenders Huntingdon Life Sciences  needed the Government to step in as no bank would touch them with a bargepole after the widespread and persistent demonstrations against their vile activities. Mental patients too have been subjected to disgusting experimentation in the name of the pursuit of knowledge . Bob

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>Mental patients too have been subjected to disgusting experimentation in the >name of the pursuit of knowledge . >Bob

Goes to show at what pains we will go to feel well…… —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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>Mental patients too have been subjected to disgusting experimentation in the >name of the pursuit of knowledge . >Bob > Goes to show at what pains we will go to feel well……

Oh Im not talking about drug trials or anything some of the stuff that went on would truly make you weep at mans inhumanity to man.. Except mental patients were considered less than human and expendable with no-one to care if they lived or died.. as some did. Bob – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> —–= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =—– > http://www.newsfeeds.com – The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! > —–==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups – 16 Different Servers! =—–

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Linda, I’m not going to respond to this post because I believe you are ill right now. The deterioration in your patterns of writing and thought over recent weeks makes that clear to me and to others here. I would have a lot to say if I thought you were in a frame of mind that allowed you to hear it, but since you’re not, I’m not going to argue with you. It seems to make the situation worse, not better, and I want to see you get better.  Until you’re in a healthier condition, this is the only response I’m going to make to you, no matter how much I disagree with what you post and no matter what you say about me or others here. Linda – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> > I completely missed your point, sorry. I will keep the offense taken to >such in >> > mind. >> > I had no idea what you were replying to, l  thought you were talking >bout me, >> > and  and thought,  then dismissed reminding you I only had one child! >> > Linda >> No Linda, and it’s interesting that your reply should >> come at the heels of an article by Storm King posted just now, >> discussing mood and how that effects cyberspace communication >> and relations — >with the bad behaved manics choosing the create the climate and environment >trolling this NG its effected me to think first such was a personal attack, but >then considering the author, I thought maybe not, you might have blinders are >not seeing something so reply with a request to be enlightened, rather than >assume what your first thought was. >So yes, I agree how the climate created by some effects all, even those seeking >to post posts giving hope, totally infected! > yes, i saw the part about placing animals >> in a torture situation where they had no choice of escape and >> had to go through, and thought…. there must be a better way. >> But my mood of angst at the thought of the animals just got >> the better of me. Now i know that I take li, and if you ask me >> all i can say is that Cade used those rabbits to pee, then >> killed them.  That was many decades ago, and i don’t think >> they do lithium experiments anymore … ok ok someone is >> going to find something to make me feel like shit. >> Squiggles >Vivisection and animal toture is vile and disgusting.. >It can be argued in some cases a neccessary evil in life saving research.. >much of it however is completely trivial.. >Thank goodness most youngsters tend to share your views . >animal abusers are increasingly on the defensive .. >In the UK one of the chief offenders >Huntingdon Life Sciences  needed the Government to step in as no bank would >touch them with a bargepole after the widespread and persistent >demonstrations >against their vile activities. >Mental patients too have been subjected to disgusting experimentation in the >name of the pursuit of knowledge . >Many scandals in the US bout using mental patients for experiments, recently >experiements on children been outed! > I think the SSRI experiment unresearched unproved chemical to  millions round >the world not knowing what it really do positively and negatively will go down >in history as one of the biggest scandals ever, when all the truth comes out, >which it will >Linda . >Bob

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